Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

[KnightWRX]

If you're talking video playback, those computers were usually bundled with a piece of software that paid the fees. I've seen PowerDVD HD bundled with a few OEM computers. (Granted I don't see a lot of OEM computers) If Apple were to adopt BD proper, they would integrate it heavily into the OS.

Why would Apple do such a thing ? If Microsoft can find a way to provide APIs that are good enough for 3rd parties to implement the functionality in userspace, why would Apple go out of their way to stuff it into kernelspace ? That makes no sense. You want to move stuff out of kernelspace, which should be reserved to hardware abstraction and OS level services as much as possible. Blu-ray playback is not an OS level service, it's very much an application.

The truth of the matter is Microsoft implemented AACS, Apple refuses to do so (they already both support HDCP). This is the "bag of hurt" so to speak as matticus pointed out. Except the licensing issues are not complicated. There remains only to go ahead and implement.

It's not a particularly invasive technology to begin with. This is plain Apple being lazy.

 

[MorphingDragon]

Why would Apple do such a thing?

Because the head of software design is pants on head crazy?

 

[h5usa]

Because the head of software design is pants on head crazy?

Yeah, well the buck doesn't stop there you know!

 

[CFreymarc]

Stop making up excuses. Big consumer electronics companies like Samsung are much bigger competitors to Sony than apple, yet they all make blu-ray players. /facepalm

You still don't get it. Apple doesn't follow what everyone else is doing just for the sake of keeping margins up. They trail blaze and have done damn well at it. My guess is that after Adobe Flash is capitulated by most developers, they are going after Blu-Ray in the same manner to make it go way of the Beta VCR.

 

[Lara F]

You still don't get it. Apple doesn't follow what everyone else is doing just for the sake of keeping margins up. They trail blaze and have done damn well at it. My guess is that after Adobe Flash is capitulated by most developers, they are going after Blu-Ray in the same manner to make it go way of the Beta VCR.

Good luck with that. Unless they plan to subsidize all the ISP's worldwide.

(And this is coming from someone with a connection good enough to stream an outstanding appearing Avatar in 1080p via xbox - the most visually stunning show I've seen to date on my TV).

 

[xbjllb]

Class Action Lawsuit: All Pro App Hardware/Software Corporate/Individual Customers

Mr. Steve Jobs, professional whack job, just gave Apple the final flush down the toilet. No computer can ever claim to be cutting edge (and charge the "Apple" premium) without full Blu-ray implementation, writing, authoring, and burning.

The man is nuts, and I live for the day Apple, the expensive overpriced iCrap iToy maker, goes bankrupt under his leadership. It won't be long now.

In the meantime, I'm looking for a lawyer who will take on a class action suit against Apple representing EVERY PRO APP CORPORATE AND INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMER APPLE SOLD TO IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS for a COMPLETE RETURN OF MONEY FOR ALL EQUIPMENT AND SOFTWARE PAID including DAMAGES for having to duplicate expensive software for Windows and other platforms.

Website to follow. This ignored squeeky wheel is going to run someone responsible down. Apple has spent YEARS marketing to high end video editing companies and music production facilities that deal with music for video misrepresenting that their products were, and always would be, cutting edge. That is now officially a lie and illegal misrepresentation, and I am sure there are thousands, if not more firms who have already switched over to Windows and other platforms and PC's from Apple and many more who will now be doing it who would love to be duly compensated for the platform switch forced by Apple's dereliction of advertising and marketing promises. These companies and these people need to be, and will be, compensated for Jobs' malfeasance.

 

[Carniphage]

Mr. Steve Jobs, professional whack job, just gave Apple the final flush down the toilet. No computer can ever claim to be cutting edge (and charge the "Apple" premium) without full Blu-ray implementation, writing, authoring, and burning.

The man is nuts, and I live for the day Apple, the expensive overpriced iCrap iToy maker, goes bankrupt under his leadership. It won't be long now.

In the meantime, I'm looking for a lawyer who will take on a class action suit against Apple representing EVERY PRO APP CORPORATE AND INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMER APPLE SOLD TO IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS for a COMPLETE RETURN OF MONEY FOR ALL EQUIPMENT AND SOFTWARE PAID including DAMAGES for having to duplicate expensive software for the Windows and other platforms.

Website to follow. This ignored squeeky wheel is going to run someone responsible down.

And the Oscar for Drama Queen of the Day goes to....

C.

 

[gkarris]

Mr. Steve Jobs, professional whack job, just gave Apple the final flush down the toilet. No computer can ever claim to be cutting edge (and charge the "Apple" premium) without full Blu-ray implementation, writing, authoring, and burning.

The man is nuts, and I live for the day Apple, the expensive overpriced iCrap iToy maker, goes bankrupt under his leadership. It won't be long now.

In the meantime, I'm looking for a lawyer who will take on a class action suit against Apple representing EVERY PRO APP CORPORATE AND INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMER APPLE SOLD TO IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS for a COMPLETE RETURN OF MONEY FOR ALL EQUIPMENT AND SOFTWARE PAID including DAMAGES for having to duplicate expensive software for Windows and other platforms.

Website to follow. This ignored squeeky wheel is going to run someone responsible down. Apple has spent YEARS marketing to high end video editing companies and music production facilities that deal with music for video misrepresenting that their products were, and always would be, cutting edge. That is now officially a lie and illegal misrepresentation, and I am sure there are thousands, if not more firms who have already switched over to Windows and other platforms and PC's from Apple and many more who will now be doing it who would love to be duly compensated for the platform switch forced by Apple's dereliction of advertising and marketing promises. These companies and these people need to be, and will be, compensated for Jobs' malfeasance.

And the Oscar for Drama Queen of the Day goes to....

C.

I'd like those same Lawyers to do a suit against Sony for discontinuing the Betamax...

 

[xbjllb]

And the Oscar for Drama Queen of the Day goes to....

C.

THREE e-mails from law firms in the first FIVE minutes. Drama? You haven't seen drama yet.

I'd like those same Lawyers to do a suit against Sony for discontinuing the Betamax...

Not even close to the same issue. Sony never made advertising claims they had no intention of ever fulfilling. And they only stopped making the things when people quit buying them; indeed, for awhile afterward.

 

[Carniphage]

THREE e-mails from law firms in the first FIVE minutes. Drama? You haven't seen drama yet.

Wait till those lawyers move in with you, and start leaving the toilet seat up.
There will be hell to pay!

I can see a situation-comedy writing itself as I type.

"CLASSY ACTION"

Are you going to get them to sue Sony for failing to support the Mac with their famous Sony Rootkit?

C.

 

[xbjllb]

Wait till those lawyers move in with you, and start leaving the toilet seat up.
There will be hell to pay!

I can see a situation-comedy writing itself as I type.

"CLASSY ACTION"

Are you going to get them to sue Sony for failing to support the Mac with their famous Sony Rootkit?

C.

Sorry for making the mistake of responding to a child. Didn't realize your avatar was current, merely thought it was a representation of the current Apple market. Won't do it again. Does your Mommy know you're talking to grown men strangers on the internets again?

 

[Carniphage]

Sorry for making the mistake of responding to a child. Didn't realize your avatar was current, merely thought it was a representation of the current Apple market share. Won't do it again.

Hisss!
Saucer of milk for the Sony shill on table three.

C.

 

[Ironworker808]

I'd like those same Lawyers to do a suit against Sony for discontinuing the Betamax...

Ummm...Sony made Betamax for 27 years. It was discontinued only after DVD took over the market.

What exactly would the grounds for the lawsuit be?

 

[Ironworker808]

Crap! Double post. Sorry.

 

[xbjllb]

Hisss!
Saucer of milk for the Sony shill on table three.

C.

Wrong.



P.S. Last response to Britbrats.

 

[Carniphage]

Ummm...Sony made Betamax for 27 years. It was discontinued only after DVD took over the market.

What exactly would the grounds for the lawsuit be?

Apparently we are entitled to sue companies when they fail to support any old lame technology.

Which is why, as a Mac user, I demand the Sony Rootkit! Why were we denied it? Why did Sony only support the PeeCee?

C.

 

[xbjllb]

Ummm...Sony made Betamax for 27 years. It was discontinued only after DVD took over the market.

What exactly would the grounds for the lawsuit be?

Apple has marketed itself for almost a decade now as THE cutting edge solution to professional film and video editing and audio for film. You can still go here:

http://apple.com/pro

and read page after page of empty promises in the video and audio sections. Without capability for Blu-ray creation, proofing, and delivery to clients, Mac Pros are DOORSTOPS.

They've toned it down quite a bit in the past few months as I'd started pointing out the emphasis on professional video and audio in the past year when complaining about lack of Blu-ray, but if you could go back in time a mere six months the entire section was all pro video and audio and very little emphasis on photography (which is all that is left without Blu-ray).

Simple grounds: false advertising. Without Blu-ray creation, proofing, and burning for delivery to clients, (STILL the cheapest way), Mac Pros are no longer a cutting edge solution for video editing houses and recordings studios who do audio for video. Some companies have investments of hundreds of Mac Pros. Switching over is going to be an expensive nightmare for most of them, and they deserve adequate compensation.

Despite Job's ridiculous remarks about Blu-ray, few companies actually thought he'd eschew it a full decade until it became obsolete.

These people deserve compensation as well.

 

[jnpy!$4g3cwk]

Mr. Steve Jobs, professional whack job, just gave Apple the final flush down the toilet. No computer can ever claim to be cutting edge (and charge the "Apple" premium) without full Blu-ray implementation, writing, authoring, and burning.

The man is nuts, and I live for the day Apple, the expensive overpriced iCrap iToy maker, goes bankrupt under his leadership. It won't be long now.

In the meantime, I'm looking for a lawyer who will take on a class action suit against Apple representing EVERY PRO APP CORPORATE AND INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMER APPLE SOLD TO IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS for a COMPLETE RETURN OF MONEY FOR ALL EQUIPMENT AND SOFTWARE PAID including DAMAGES for having to duplicate expensive software for Windows and other platforms.

Website to follow. This ignored squeeky wheel is going to run someone responsible down. Apple has spent YEARS marketing to high end video editing companies and music production facilities that deal with music for video misrepresenting that their products were, and always would be, cutting edge. That is now officially a lie and illegal misrepresentation, and I am sure there are thousands, if not more firms who have already switched over to Windows and other platforms and PC's from Apple and many more who will now be doing it who would love to be duly compensated for the platform switch forced by Apple's dereliction of advertising and marketing promises. These companies and these people need to be, and will be, compensated for Jobs' malfeasance.

LOL.

Steve Jobs nuts? Well, yes, I'm sure all of his competitors would like to have him declared insane and locked up, before Apple eats their breakfast and dinner, in addition to lunch. Oops-- off topic.

Blue Ray -- personally, I like it, but, there are an awful lot of people out there who think that all recorded media will live in the cloud and will be delivered to consumers on-demand, and even for content you purchase indefinitely, you will buy it online. Sure, you can still get DVD's from NetFlix, but, they would rather just let you watch your movie from the Instant list instead. Jobs/Apple were the first to actually make this work, and iTunes has been dominant, so, it isn't surprising that Apple is contiuing in this direction. For myself-- I like resolution, and most everything online today is DVD quality, not BD quality. But, Apple's strategy is very rational-- and profitable.

 

[Carniphage]

Apple has marketed itself for almost a decade now as THE cutting edge solution to professional film and video editing and audio for film. You can still go here:

http://apple.com/pro

Most video professionals continue to use Mac based solutions for capture and editing of film and HD movies.
They did this before Sony's Blu Ray. They continue to do it now. Because Blu Ray is irrelevant to the workflow.

What is important is ProRes422 Final Cut. - and a bunch of other technologies which make the Mac a good platform for this kind of work.

Optical disks are a technology that has nothing at all to do with professional video production. It is too slow. It is a consumer format, designed for delivering copy-protected content. Some small studios like to archive to optical disk. But that *is* actually supported.

Third parties do allow BluRay drives in Macintosh computers. The only restriction is that they don't let users watch Sony's copy-protected movies in the Mac OS. If they desperately need to do that, they can watch said movies on a Mac using a virtualised copy of Windows.

This is not a big issue, because watching the Hot Tub Time machine in HD is not, and never has been a major part of a the video professional's workflow.

C.

 

[jnpy!$4g3cwk]

Despite Job's ridiculous remarks about Blu-ray, few companies actually thought he'd eschew it a full decade until it became obsolete.

These people deserve compensation as well.

So, lemme get this straight-- you think people should sue Apple because Jobs did what he said, instead of what they wished he would do or thought he might do?!?!?!

 

[Carniphage]

Steve Jobs nuts? Well, yes, I'm sure all of his competitors would like to have him declared insane and locked up, before Apple eats their breakfast and dinner.

Come on. It's not like Apple has just passed Microsoft in Market Cap.

Sorry? ... er... What's that?

C.

 

[xbjllb]

LOL.

Steve Jobs nuts? Well, yes, I'm sure all of his competitors would like to have him declared insane and locked up, before Apple eats their breakfast and dinner, in addition to lunch.

Wham-o and other fad companies made a ton off of disposable fad crap, back in the days when everyone knew it was crap and not magic iCrap.

Where are they now, these billionaires of the slinky and the Hula-hoop? Not to mention transistor radios and walkie-talkies?

Where Jobs and Apple will be in two years without flagship computers and their high-ticket base; killed by cheaper iCrap that WILL eschew Jobs' fetiphobias and implement (flash and Blu-ray).

 

[xbjllb]

So, lemme get this straight-- you think people should sue Apple because Jobs did what he said, instead of what they wished he would do or thought he might do?!?!?!

No. Hundreds of thousands of corporate Apple customers with a considerable corporate investment in Apple hardware and software beyond your wildest dreams WILL BE SUING Apple for misrepresenting itself as a cutting edge solution to video editing, video delivery, and audio-for-video creation. And for implicitly implying they would continue to be THE cutting edge solution for the foreseeable future.

And for the money it will cost those individuals, companies, and corporations (or has already cost them) to shift their entire inventory of equipment and software to another platform and replace it.

In short? A much-needed revolution against a company that promised one thing (cutting edge professional video solutions) and chose to deliberately deliver something entirely different (portable temporary iCrap iFad iToys for kiddies.)

I didn't sign on with Apple, after the Amiga debacle, to watch it piss away its cutting edge cachet to become Wham-o under Willie Wonka.

 

[Carniphage]

Where Jobs and Apple will be in two years without flagship computers and their high-ticket base;

Who knows.
Perhaps the share price will give us a clue?

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=AAPL&t=5y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=

Does not Apple make more money from iPhones. (and iPads) and iTunes

How is Sony getting on these days? Still haemorrhaging cash from the PS3 debacle?

C.

 

[Ironworker808]

No. Hundreds of thousands of corporate Apple customers with a considerable corporate investment in Apple hardware and software beyond your wildest dreams WILL BE SUING Apple for misrepresenting itself as a cutting edge solution to video editing, video delivery, and audio-for-video creation. And for implicitly implying they would continue to be THE cutting edge solution for the foreseeable future.

And for the money it will cost those individuals, companies, and corporations (or has already cost them) to shift their entire inventory of equipment and software to another platform and replace it.

In short? A much-needed revolution against a company that promised one thing (cutting edge professional video solutions) and chose to deliberately deliver something entirely different (portable temporary iCrap iFad iToys for kiddies.)

You've got a looooooooong row to hoe, my friend. Good luck.