So what you are saying is if someone wants to watch a BluRay they should watch it on a player. I agree. Who wants to weigh down their laptop with a pound of pointless disk player?
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So what you are saying is if someone wants to watch a BluRay they should watch it on a player. I agree. Who wants to weigh down their laptop with a pound of pointless disk player?
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For me the I don't really care about BluRay playback; the reason I want it is for the extra storage it can provide but here sits the problem - would Apple include a BluRay burner with all their products? unless Apple could get a real sweet heart deal it would be a major let down if the only thing provided was BluRay playback which quite frankly leaves without the cool half of BluRay - the burning of discs.
Because some people buy laptop over desktop so they would like to be able to have a disc drives to BURN DISC TO so they can give the disc to people that do not have COMPUTERS.. It real easy to understand... Some people want Laptops for there computer needs and some have Desktop.. It does not matter what they use. It still nice to have some thing built-in then have to carry around a add-on that should of been build-in..
P.S. I did not want Window 7 on my iMac but I still need Windows for some software. So I bought a Window 7 Laptop because I do not need a desktop and I did not want some thing that would take up space.. But My laptop has a Blu-ray burner long with a 7i Quad Core Processor... Now if Apple would of added blu-ray and a Quad cord on the Mac book Pro then I would of got one instant of a Windows laptop..
We'll be lucky to get any Blu-ray implementation at all. Imagine if Jobs had the same insane problem with DVD burners and Macs had not had them all this time.
Anyone who owns a Blu-ray disc. Somewhat close to a billion discs sold and/or distributed by now, I am sure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc
But by all means, let it not stop the appalling Jobsian ignorance and/or ignorant Jobs support on here.
Yeah, I know... because sharing 4.7GB of data with loads of people cheaply is a horrible idea. I mean, you can get 100 DVD-Rs for like $20 on sale. That's 20 cents per disc.
Meanwhile, an 8GB USB stick (or SD card) costs like $20 on sale. You only get one... Not so convenient to just hand out. And you'd likely expect the person to give it back to you.
Really, physical disc media isn't going away. Imagine in the future when 25GB Blu-ray discs are $1 per disc or less. (they're getting close to that now...)
The cheapest way to share 25GB of data would still be in disc form... via Blu-ray.
You can't feasibly send 25GB of data to your friend via email. And most people's upload speeds aren't fast enough to send that data very quickly. Mine's like 2 Mbps (which is, of course, 256 kB/s)... so it'd take 28.5 hours to upload 25GB of data to a single person.
MobileMe's $100 per year subscription only comes with 20GB which you must split with your email. Microsoft's SkyDrive comes with 25GB storage.
There's not really any email service that'd let you send (or receive) emails with 1GB attachments, let alone 25GB. So sharing with multiple people wouldn't really be that feasible either. (except, possibly, via bittorrent...)
Anyone discounting the usefulness of physical media is delusional. iTunes' HD videos are a MAXIMUM of 720p. And they're encoded with h.264... the same codec that Blu-ray movies use. So a 4GB 720p Star Trek iTunes HD movie isn't going to compare to a 20GB Star Trek Blu-ray movie.
As someone else has said, some people use laptops instead of desktops. (I know I do... because I don't want to buy a laptop AND a desktop, since I'm only going to be using one computer at any given time.) Thus I get a MacBook Pro, because it's a fairly good desktop-replacement.
Anyone who owns a Blu-ray disc. Somewhat close to a billion discs sold and/or distributed by now, I am sure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc
But by all means, let it not stop the appalling Jobsian ignorance and/or ignorant Jobs support on here.
What is really funny is Apple is on the Board of Directors.. For some people that means Apple gets a piece of the money long with other companies..
The Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) is the industry consortium that develops and licenses Blu-ray Disc technology and is responsible for establishing format standards and promoting business opportunities for Blu-ray Disc. The BDA is divided into three levels of membership: the Board of Directors, Contributors, and General Members.
Members Board of Directors
The Blu-ray Disc Association website describes the role of the Board of Directors as follows:[3]
"Companies participating in the Board of Directors are active participants of the format creation and key BDA activities. They are selected from the Contributors by election. The board sets an overall strategy and approves key issues. A board member can participate in all activities and attend all meetings. The Blu-ray Disc Founder companies will make up the initial Board of Directors. Annual fee: $ 50,000"
The current 20 board members (as of June 2009) are:
Apple Inc.
Dell Inc.
Hewlett-Packard
Hitachi, Ltd.
Intel Corporation
LG Electronics
Mitsubishi Electric
Panasonic Corporation
Pioneer Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics
Samsung Electronics
Sharp Corporation
Sony Corporation
Sun Microsystems
TDK Corporation
Technicolor SA
20th Century Fox
Walt Disney Motion Pictures Group
Warner Bros. Entertainment
Contributors
The role of contributors as described by the Blu-ray Disc Association Website:[3]Contributors are active participants of the format creation and other key BDA activities. They can be elected to become a member of the Board of Directors. A contributor can attend general meetings and seminars, and can participate in Technical Expert Groups (TEGs), regional Promotion Team activities, and most of the Compliance Committee (CC) activities. Membership requires execution of Contribution Agreement and must be approved by the Board of Directors. Annual fee: $ 20,000"
The contributors as of June 2009 are:[5]
Acer Inc.
Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)
Almedio Inc.
Alticast
ArcSoft
AudioDev AB
BluFocus Inc.
Broadcom Corporation
Canon Inc.
CESI Technology Co. Ltd.
China Hualu Group Co., Ltd.
CMC Magnetics Corporation
Corel Corporation
Cryptography Research Inc.
CyberLink
DCA Inc.
Deluxe Digital Studios, Inc.
Dolby Laboratories Inc.
Dreamer Co., Ltd.
DTS, Inc.
Eclipse Data Technologies
Fraunhofer IIS
Fujifilm
Fujitsu Ltd.
Funai Electric Co., Ltd.
Gibson Guitar Corporation
Industrial Technology Research Institute
Lionsgate Entertainment
LITE-ON IT Corporation
Macrovision Corp.
Marvell International Ltd.
MediaTek Inc
Meridian Audio, Ltd.
Mitsubishi Kagaku Media Co.Ltd.
Monster Cable Products
Moser Baer India Limited
NEC Electronics Corporation
Nero AG
nVidia Corporation
Osmosys SA
Paramount Pictures Corporation
Pulstec Industrial Co., Ltd.
RealD
Ritek
Sensio Technologies Inc.
ShibaSoku Co. Ltd.
Sigma Designs
Singulus Technologies
Sonic Solutions
ST Microelectronics
Sunext
Taiyo Yuden Co., Ltd.,
Testronic Laboratories, Inc.
Universal Studios Home Entertainment
Victor Company of Japan, Ltd. (JVC)
Visionare Corporation
Warner Music Group
Zoran Corporation
I've read all 53 pages! It was really funny, on both sides. I have a PS 3 and I have a small collection of Blu-Ray films. I only want to watch them on my TV, but I would watch them on my laptop if I'm traveling. The good news is that some but not all of my films came with a Digital Copy, which I promptly put on my laptop, so I can watch them on the go. However, I would like the option to watch all of my films on the laptop and if Apple ever decides to include a BD drive on their laptop then great, I may purchase it. If they do not, then it is no big deal, but I may not purchase another laptop until mine is no longer able to do what I need it to do. When that happens I do not know what type of computer I will get. It doesn't really matter. Snow Leopard is good, Windows 7 is good, they both work for me and either one is just as good as the other. I like Blu-Ray and will purchase new films on that format, if it comes with a digital copy, that's great. I'm not looking for very high quality films for viewing on my laptop when I'm traveling.
What does that have to do with anything? So people watch TV more than Blu-ray movies? Well.....yeah. Of course DVD is outselling Blu-ray. and will continue to do so for another two or three years.
Blu-ray is fighting for consumer dollars against digital downloads, not cable or broadcast television.
Arguable? Yep. But they obviously think it was worth it. The fact Blu-ray is continually growing is a pretty good testament, no?
Unfortunately Digital Copy doesn't come with iTunes HD versions or the iTunes extras. It'd be closer to the actual movie that way. (but Apple'd probably not want to give away that stuff)
I hate to break it to you but Blu-ray is not Sony format.. Sony is apart of a Group.. It alway been own as a group not one company.. I wish people do some research before posting stupid reply's.. Also Blu-ray is already growing and is supported by many companies that are also very big companies.. Blu-ray is going no where and is not even close to being a failure or going to fail. It is past that part. It is doing great and growing..
P.S. Blu-ray been around 4 years (came out June 2006) and still growing. Far from being a failure or for it to fail.. I think your post failed..
Blu-ray can be useful for a little thing like delivering the final product to a client in HD.
What's your suggestion? Use a more compressed, more copy protected alternative like the iTMS? Maybe delivering the final edit via only YouTube or Vimeo?
If only the whole world was covered w/wireless, high speed broadband that was affordable to all and never went down.
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Wishful thinking. Most of the new home video releases from the major studios now emphasize Blu-ray over DVD releases. And the 720p video you download through the iTunes Store can't come close to Blu-ray's 1080p video with mostly 5.1 to 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio soundtracks. I have a number of movies on Blu-ray format and on my 40" Sony LCD flat-screen TV, the leap up in picture quality is astonishing. A movie like Cars on Blu-ray has such rich background detail it's jaw-dropping.
In the end, I do think that Apple will offer a BD-RE Superdrive for the iMac and Mac Pro, if only because of the demand for Blu-ray disc authoring on a Mac. After all, Sony's Vegas Pro 9 already offers excellent Blu-ray disc authoring for high-end Windows Vista/7 machines, and I don't think Apple wants to be left behind in terms of Blu-ray disc authoring.
There are plenty of near blind people on this forum who can't see a difference when comparing an SD DVD and a full 1080p blu-ray. Too bad for them, huh?
I really, really, hope you are right. This all ties into how Apple treats the pro user market. People who fear that Apple products will only become devices for consuming (not creating) media cite many things Apple is doing or has done to illustrate their fears.
Ignoring blu-ray is just one of them. When Apple makes so much money in other markets, why would they care?
When Steve Jobs says "no" he probably means "This business requires user uncertainty"
Two things. There is no way that hi def is going to jump online that quickly after the release of blu-ray. For one thing theres still a huge market for dvds both regular and blu. And also, an online format requires huge amounts of bandwidth and storage. For instance a blu-ray DVD holds between 25-100GB of data. The largest HDD offered for my 2010 mac was 500GB. Which means i would be limited to under ten times the capacity of one disc. Now i dont know how much of that space is used for the video etc, but im pretty darn sure that i couldnt store a whole movie collection in HD on my computer. Yet my screen features a 1050 line display offering me close to full HD and more than double DVD quality.
Second Jobs has a known history of denying that Apple will ever produce products that come off the lines only a few years later. I remember him promising that Apple would never ever make a tablet style computer (iPad) and other things that get produced shortly afterward. I expect to see macs shipping with bluray drives as soon as or sooner than 2012.
Two things. There is no way that hi def is going to jump online that quickly after the release of blu-ray. For one thing theres still a huge market for dvds both regular and blu. And also, an online format requires huge amounts of bandwidth and storage. For instance a blu-ray DVD holds between 25-100GB of data. The largest HDD offered for my 2010 mac was 500GB. Which means i would be limited to under ten times the capacity of one disc. Now i dont know how much of that space is used for the video etc, but im pretty darn sure that i couldnt store a whole movie collection in HD on my computer. Yet my screen features a 1050 line display offering me close to full HD and more than double DVD quality.
Second Jobs has a known history of denying that Apple will ever produce products that come off the lines only a few years later. I remember him promising that Apple would never ever make a tablet style computer (iPad) and other things that get produced shortly afterward. I expect to see macs shipping with bluray drives as soon as or sooner than 2012.
"There will not be any more physical formats in the future" Im just gunna save this here to laugh at in five or ten years.
Simply I need Blu-ray for my basement HT, it's 130" screen needs the best PQ possible.
For now, my 2 year old PS3 does the Blu-ray duties, my AppleTV in the family room is enough for the 42" HDTV there.
It is a pain in the butt to have blu-ray discs for the basement and not be able to use them in the family room, car, etc.
Blu-ray seems to be stagnating and not reaching critical %.
Even shelf space in Blockbuster/big box stores shows that.
Basement HT:
This is the PQ I like:
For now, my 2 year old PS3 does the Blu-ray duties, my AppleTV in the family room is enough for the 42" HDTV there.
It is a pain in the butt to have blu-ray discs for the basement and not be able to use them in the family room, car, etc.
Blu-ray seems to be stagnating and not reaching critical %.
Even shelf space in Blockbuster/big box stores shows that.
Basement HT:
This is the PQ I like:
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Socrates, Kepler, Da Vinci, Lincoln, Barnum, Ford, Einstein, Bushnell and now Jobs. He is in good company.
Some say those who create and make a difference in the world and have statues and buildings named after them while litigating attorneys enforcing the status quo are soon forgotten to history.
Nice. Sneak back 30 posts and pray I won't see what you wrote after you bone up and copy some other pro's argument.
DELIVERY, Child. D - E - L - I - V - E - R - Y. Like it or not, this is still how business works in the real world.
Many people, organizations, and corporations have to DELIVER small quantities (5-1000) of their work that customers and potential clients DEMAND to view in their 50-65" plasmas in their fancy offices and homes and home theaters, long before the public slaps down money at Fry's for "Hot Tub".
Mass replication of Blu-ray is cost prohibitive and out of the question. As is sending out thousands of hard drives, flash drives, any other sort of media far more expensive media than a plastic disc. And asking busy executives and professionals and even bands their own fans to sit there and download for days the way you kiddie pirates do is out of the question.
D - E - L - I - V - E - R - Y.
I don't have any idea what you idiot gameboy brats have against Sony, never having played a videogame in my life working my rear off in the pro video and music world, and blissfully unaware of any kind of "PS3 debacle", but you Sony haters really have some kind of mental problem that's almost as pathetic as the thieving pirates Jobsian hatred of DRM.
Now if you were complaining about Michael Jackson being foisted on ignorant idiot consumers far beyond his 14 year-old sell-by date, you might have an argument against Sony.
But Blu-ray? You'll be raving for at least a decade.
P.S. If you think video pros and video firms are going to sit back and continue to support and use an overpriced platform and OS whose CEO absolutely and arrogantly continually refuses to adopt the most cutting-edge DISTRIBUTION format for video and video for audio groups, I think you're nuttier than Jobs, because that inherent hatred will lead to certain neglect in all pro areas of the product, and indeed, already has, from the OS itself, to neglect of pro app software keeping remotely current with competitors, to neglect of the entire flagship line starting with displays and video card support, to something as simple as removing firewire interfaces from portables.
Steve Jobs is an unbalanced man at war with the world he is supposed to be making a better place by giving APPLE people, his pro base, many of whom are into Apple for five figures (and some poor foolish corporations six!) what they desperately want and need. Instead he is a dictator verging on the insane buying off the media and collecting kiddies who will leave him and his gadgets before you can say "Slinky".
You are making an assumption that broadband such as your will become ubiquitous and common where removable media is not longer valid. That is not as true as cloud promoters are stating.
IMO, there is always going to be a market for a removable media not dependent on any cloud. This is cause well, "weather changes and clouds will not always be there" as someone said in a lively debate about this exact subject a few weeks ago in Palo Alto.
Wow. Some ****** with a ton of money and corporate power figures out people are stealing music by the billions and figures out they need an updated 60's transistor radio to store and play it. 60's free music was AM radio, which was taken over in the 90's by Nazis and Nazitalk. No more free music; transistor radios died. Who with a brain wants to listen to Rush & Ilk 24/7? Or at all?
So here comes the iPod, and except for the iTunes store which in itself was a lawsuit against Apple Records, fully decimated the record industry singlehandedly. That's not creation, it's destruction.
And of course, we all know how Jobs invented the iPhone, by sticking someone else's cell phone into the shell of a 60's plastic walkie-talkie. Businesses and just plain folks have stopped responding to e-mail by fully 90% meaning to "get to it later" and never do because it's harder to text with your thumbs while driving then when you used to sit at your desk. Hey, but via texting, kids can now make drug deals and hookup for sex right under the nose of their teachers and even Mom and Dad! Thanks, Steve-o!
And then there's the iPad, the sanitary napkin of the iCrap world designed to wipe Flash from the world and flush it because the great and mighty Jobs doesn't like it. Never mind it's at least the tenth pad device attempted. Only the first one with the breakthrough of SINGLE tasking and NO flash. Whose only success is due to the close to a billion dollars Apple spent to buy off the internet and all other media to hype the newest piece of iCrap for truly clueless iKiddies.
IF Jobs had any brain at all, his disease ate it. People who compare him to Socrates? Here, have some hemlock. Trust me, it kills the taste and effect of the Kool-aid you've been drinking.
Barnum? MUCH closer. Da Vinci? Lincoln?
Please. Even Jobs knows he's a con man whose days as the naked emperor are numbered.
The most apt description of Jobs? Shiva, the Destroyer of Apple who put the bottom line into the iCrap bubble that busted the company when it popped and they'd let the computer division fall too far behind.
Wow. Some ****** with a ton of money and corporate power figures out people are stealing music by the billions and figures out they need an updated 60's transistor radio to store and play it. 60's free music was AM radio, which was taken over in the 90's by Nazis and Nazitalk. No more free music; transistor radios died. Who with a brain wants to listen to Rush & Ilk 24/7? Or at all?
So here comes the iPod, and except for the iTunes store which in itself was a lawsuit against Apple Records, fully decimated the record industry singlehandedly. That's not creation, it's destruction.
And of course, we all know how Jobs invented the iPhone, by sticking someone else's cell phone into the shell of a 60's plastic walkie-talkie. Businesses and just plain folks have stopped responding to e-mail by fully 90% meaning to "get to it later" and never do because it's harder to text with your thumbs while driving then when you used to sit at your desk. Hey, but via texting, kids can now make drug deals and hookup for sex right under the nose of their teachers and even Mom and Dad! Thanks, Steve-o!
And then there's the iPad, the sanitary napkin of the iCrap world designed to wipe Flash from the world and flush it because the great and mighty Jobs doesn't like it. Never mind it's at least the tenth pad device attempted. Only the first one with the breakthrough of SINGLE tasking and NO flash. Whose only success is due to the close to a billion dollars Apple spent to buy off the internet and all other media to hype the newest piece of iCrap for truly clueless iKiddies.
IF Jobs had any brain at all, his disease ate it. People who compare him to Socrates? Here, have some hemlock. Trust me, it kills the taste and effect of the Kool-aid you've been drinking.
Barnum? MUCH closer. Da Vinci? Lincoln?
Please. Even Jobs knows he's a con man whose days as the naked emperor are numbered.
The most apt description of Jobs? Shiva, the Destroyer of Apple who put the bottom line into the iCrap bubble that busted the company when it popped and they'd let the computer division fall too far behind.
Somebody needs to get laid... desperately.
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