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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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for all BD players i presume. interesting. didnt realise Java could look so pruttttyy
aside from the other nonsense in this post, would you not think if you invested in a company..(invested as in bought their products) that was one of the 20 board members of the Blu-ray disk association (and has been for many years) that at some point they might actually support the technology?
otherwise why be a board member?
It couldn't be something so petty as going against HDDVD because MS supported it could it? Are apples reasons for being a BRD board member so dis-ingenious?
iCon is always keen to state that he wants to make the best computers possible for his customers....
he's not being honest as he needs to add the 2 caveats
1/ As long as we can make a bunch of money from it.
2/ We'll decide what our customers want.
if Apple isn't going to support BRD then it should leave the BRD association and let a 3rd party develop a solution for OS X customers.
The problem is that Apple has nothing that compares to BRD so it is forcing poor quality HD on the masses which actually harms the HD take up rate as people go... huh...whats the deal, it doesn't look much better.
True HD looks far better obviously...
Also, how long before the ISP's ask Apple for cash for bandwith issues? Already the ISP's over here in the UK have asked the BBC for cash due to the strain that services like BBC iPlayer put on the networks.
FYI
BRD was formed by Sony and Phillips jointly and now all royalties are handled by the BRD association of which their are 20 board members and 9 founding members.
^^ arch im not exactly sure if 90% of users care about full HD (i.e. BD) movies. most wouldnt be able to tell the difference nor care about it. but yea, it would be nice for 3rd party support!
maybe, but surely a company like Apple...
"we skate to where the puck will be. not where it has been.."
should be pushing the quality angle?
"we want to make the best computers to give people the best experience"
maybe if Apple gave its' users the choice then 90% might realise what HD is all about, and be able to tell the difference..?
maybe thats exactly WHY Apple doesn't do it as they have no solution for that?
the BRD fiasco just shows what a petty, self-interested and downright dishonest company Apple are.
If they aren't ever going to support BRD then they should just come out and say so and then resign from the Association.
Similar to how they've handled the flash thing...
I wondered if BRD on one of those ultimate 27" IPS displays would accentuate the yellow?
maybe thats the reason....??
I thought they had.
Repeatedly.
Go on the Apple website. There is absolutely no mention of the BluRay format anywhere. Anyone who buys Apple, hoping for BluRay is as irrational as flying to Rome and hoping to see the Eiffel tower.
If BluRay playback is something important to you. Just don't buy Apple. Buy a Vaio instead.
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best experience doesnt always mean best looking - best experience would relate to how fast the movies stream/download, etc.
im sure they do, they offer SD and HD currently which is giving them a slight choice. imagine the confusion on the majority of users if they had to choose between 3 different HD versions?
ive no problem with the issues thus far, i rip my BDs to mkv - which works out better anyway, streaming them is MUCH easier then going upstairs to the cabinet to find the discs
the world is slowly going digital - but i most certainly agree that apple should have adapted BD players etc.lol my iMac has no yellowing, watching movies is divine - i can actually see the flaws of full 1080p rips @1440pI wondered if BRD on one of those ultimate 27" IPS displays would accentuate the yellow?
maybe thats the reason....??
most certainly not! i was using the PS3 for a while there, until they stopped me ripping them off
For BD+, no. That techology was developed and licensed from CRI.
AACS was developed by AACS LA, a consortium that includes disney, IBM, microsoft, Sony, Toshiba, Warner Bros and Panasonic. How that royalties are split up between those companies is unknown.
I think it's pretty safe to say that AACS is not a sony owned technology because if it was Sony could have easily prevented the HD format war by not licensing it out to HD-DVD.
FYI - the majority of Sony's BD patents deal with the physical structure of the disk.
ive no problem with the issues thus far, i rip my BDs to mkv - which works out better anyway, streaming them is MUCH easier then going upstairs to the cabinet to find the discs
Um, the world has been moving to digital for a number of years now, CD's, Video-CDs, DVD, Blu-ray etc are all digital.
On May 30, 2007, Canadian encryption vendor Certicom sued Sony alleging that AACS violated two of its patents, "Strengthened public key protocol" and "Digital signatures on a Smartcard.
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you got it
the world isnt quite ready for direct downloads/streaming though. australia most certainly isnt/
If you haven't realised *MATE* the world doesn't all have flat rate internet; so what, the US has flat rate internet, well, what about the rest of the world? epic fail on your part, try again and this time realise that the product is going to be shipped world wide and not just simply to the US of A where tv's are large and the stomachs are even larger.
Not all of the world has electricity. Should Apple make a wind-up computer?
Let's assume Apple wishes to take its success with creating a digital distribution model for music, and replicate that model with television. Technologically it will take some time for bandwidth to catch up. But it would be dumb for Apple not to make strenuous efforts to build an audience for streamed and downloaded movies and TV.
Part of that commercial effort is simply not supporting competing platforms.
As a commercial decision, is it really so hard to understand?
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I think in the end, it all comes down to this: Jobs thinks that the Blu-ray technology would interfere with the iTunes Store and Apple TV model of media content purchasing and consumption on the Apple platform. As such, Jobs wants absolute control on how media is bought, distributed and consumed on the Mac platform.
Unfortunately, this might be a potential violation of the exclusivity and tie-in aspects of the Sherman and Clayton Antitrust Acts. I mean think about it: on the PC side on modern desktop running Windows 7 Home Premium, the hardware is fully Blu-ray compatible, and many higher-end desktop machines offer BD-ROM drives that can read Blu-ray discs, and the machine has HDCP-compliant HDMI and DVI-D outputs. And you can still include Apple TV if your computer runs Windows XP Home or Professional (SP3) or later and has a copy of iTunes running with a valid paid account. Meanwhile, on the Mac side you can only watch 480p DVD's and 720p videos downloaded through the iTunes Store, and--despite the fact the hardware could easily do it, including HDCP support--no support anywhere for Blu-ray discs or burn BD-R/BD-RE drives.
Unfortunately, this might be a potential violation of the exclusivity and tie-in aspects of the Sherman and Clayton Antitrust Acts. I mean think about it: on the PC side on modern desktop running Windows 7 Home Premium, the hardware is fully Blu-ray compatible, and many higher-end desktop machines offer BD-ROM drives that can read Blu-ray discs, and the machine has HDCP-compliant HDMI and DVI-D outputs. And you can still include Apple TV if your computer runs Windows XP Home or Professional (SP3) or later and has a copy of iTunes running with a valid paid account. Meanwhile, on the Mac side you can only watch 480p DVD's and 720p videos downloaded through the iTunes Store, and--despite the fact the hardware could easily do it, including HDCP support--no support anywhere for Blu-ray discs or burn BD-R/BD-RE drives.
I don't think that it can be argued that Apple is wielding its monopoly position (having some 5% market share) to restrict consumer freedom.
This is just a commercial choice. Much as Microsoft did not extend Zune support to Mac.
But you are correct that Apple have a vision of media distribution in the future, and that isn't based on having little silver gramophone records.
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No, they have never stated they won't support it, as they have with flash. iCon just makes ambigious statements..'bag of hurt' etc.
and I repeat..
Apple are STILL a board member (not just a member or associate) of the BRD association. They hold a very strange position to be publicy negative towards it yet but be..on paper at least a key supporter.
their position on BRD is AT LEAST as irrational as any of the consumers buying their machines and hoping for support.
I think it takes a certain amount optimism to view the phrase "Bag of hurt" as ambiguous.
Taking a position on an industry board is often a tactical move.
For example, Adobe sit of the board drafting the specification for HTML5. Even though HTML5 is seen by many as a way to eradicate Adobe's Flash.
I don't think anyone sees Adobe's membership as being especially supportive.
But it certainly is in Adobe's interest to be there.
I assume Apple's position on the BluRay board has similar entirely rational benefits. It would be a mistake to interpret it as "Apple are about to launch BluRay products anytime now"
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Who said anything about giving up? it is about supporting the future technologies whilst supporting what is the primary mode of transmission today in the majority of countries. Read the post before replying for Christ sake!
Huh?
Perhaps Tesla should offer a petrol powered car? Because the world is not really ready for electric vehicles.
C.
best experience doesnt always mean best looking - best experience would relate to how fast the movies stream/download, etc.
im sure they do, they offer SD and HD currently which is giving them a slight choice. imagine the confusion on the majority of users if they had to choose between 3 different HD versions?
If the best experience is defined as the fastest one, then surely a blu Ray would be faster? I can pop in a blu Ray and have it playing in far less time than it takes to stream a video. Even when I put on a short video from YouTube, there is still a short pause before it begin to play.
Hmm, I'm almost tempted to hold a blu Ray vs YouTube race
As for apple offering a choice of different streaming formats, didn't they already do that elsewhere? I remember an apple site with trailers for films, it would offer a choice between sd, 720 and 1080.
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