Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

[xbjllb]

Bonus points to anyone who can find the quote where he dissed USB Flash-based MP3 players without displays, months before Apple released the iPod Shuffle.

Hmmm. You mean we've all been had?

I don't care. I'll send the guy friggin roses if he finally coughs up Blu-ray.

But in the meantime, it doesn't negate a thing I've said. Especially business wise.

Unless of course, the entire board there has been looking at the new Blu-ray Mac line and laughing their asses off.

I hope so. For their sake.

 

[xbjllb]

And sorry, but Carniphage isn't a thief for ripping movies he legally bought and putting them on his home media server. To call that theft is ridiculous. And I've ripped my own Blu-rays to play them on my iPad during a flight I'll be taking in a couple weeks. I'm not a thief either.

Technically, you are, and technically, Steve Jobs pimped you out.

 

[yg17]

Technically, you are

How so? I didn't steal anything. I didn't take money away from anybody. I am ripping my legally purchased Blu-rays for my own personal use. That falls under fair use.

and technically, Steve Jobs pimped you out.

lol wut?

 

[Carniphage]

Rationalize all you want, my friend. You're a thief and will always be a thief as long as you continue to do so and continue to try and rationalize and justify your prior theft.

You had two legal AND ethical choices, (and one was actually CHEAPER)

1. Buy a copy of each work you wished to view, or

2. Buy a legal universal player.

You chose to do otherwise, and violate copyright laws.

UK has fair-use laws. I am allowed under law to make a copy of my own disks, providing that am not doing so to re-sell or profit by it.

I am breaking no law. Nor am I breaking any moral code. No content-creator was deprived of a cent of royalties by my actions. Your understanding of theft seems to have developed without any actual reading of the definition.

1 [ trans. ] take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it : thieves stole her bicycle | [ intrans. ] she was found guilty of stealing from her employers | [as adj. ] ( stolen) stolen goods.

Your moral compass is so bent by brown-nosing these scumbags you actially think someone can steal their own property.

And I would not go around advising people to use region-free players. Because I am sure they are illegal under the DMCA too! Pretty sure they are banned in North Korea too.

Let's see how many people think that being locked out of playing your own disks a good thing for everyone.

C.

 

[xbjllb]

How so? I didn't steal anything. I didn't take money away from anybody. I am ripping my legally purchased Blu-rays for my own personal use. That falls under fair use.



lol wut?

Ok. And what if you run a bed and breakfast with 30-50 rooms, all with TV's hooked up to a server. And you do the same thing.

It's the proverbial slippery slope, friend. Theft is theft is theft.

If you enjoy Blu-ray, if you want the medium to survive and thrive, buy TWO.

Go on. Do it just to spite Steve Jobs. I do.

And my remark about Jobs pimping you out as a thief is because he made it impossible for you to watch the legal Blu-ray on your laptop, so you broke the law and ripped it.

Pimp. Crime. Theft.

 

[OllyW]

UK has fair-use laws. I am allowed under law to make a copy of my own disks, providing that am not doing so to re-sell or profit by it.

If only it were true.

In the United Kingdom, making a private copy of copyrighted media without the copyright owner's consent is illegal: this includes ripping music from a CD to a computer or digital music player. The UK government has made proposals to allow people to make copies of music for personal use. According to one survey, 55% of British consumers believed ripping a CD to be legal, and 59% admitted to doing it.

http://www.ippr.org.uk/pressreleases/?id=2404

 

[macdrew]

i) An ADSL modem is still a modem
ii) The only people who think optical disks are less reliable than HDs are the sort of idiots who treat them like coasters. Try treating your HD like a coaster and see how long it lasts. Hard disks are just as unreliable as the vinyl-tape hybrid its mechanics evokes. Vinyl and tape were replaced by optical disk largely because they are read by a laser rather than a needle and they don't get corrupted by magnetic sources.
iii) Perhaps there is something different about US phone lines that I'm not aware of, but in the UK, a small number of people are indeed so far from their telephone exchange that ADSL technology cannot deliver highspeed internet over conventional phone lines. Perhaps this is the very problem that the US government has spent $800 million trying to solve. I highly doubt this is more of a problem in our country than in yours since the US is almost 10 times more sparsely populated than the UK.
iv) I could pick apart your earlier posts for other foolish statements, but it would get tedious. One thing, however, you say you know a lot about Britain, but it would interest you to know that if I spent 50 "quid" a month on unlimited internet, that would be $75, which could not only get me capped ultra-high-speed internet, but satellite TV with enough movie channels and movies on demand to never have to reach for the Apple TV remote (and still have enough left over for a bluray at the end of the month).

1) yes, but in the computer industry the term "modem" still means a dial up connection... not: dsl, cable or satellite.
2) nonsense, there is zero proof an optical disc will outlast a hard drive
3) yes, in the states, a copper telephone line can go up to 20Mbps, take a look:

http://www.qwest.com/residential/internet/broadbandlanding/index.html

no, our Gov is simply improving the switches, trunk lines in these rural areas, the lines to the homes and farms are already in place.

4) yes, in the states it's about 15 quid for unlimited data at 7Mbps

 

[LethalWolfe]

Technically, you are, and technically, Steve Jobs pimped you out.

No, they aren't thiefs for ripping DVDs they own. The 'Betamax case', the 'diamond rio' case, and the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 set a clear precedent in the US that space and time shifting of media for person use isn't a violation of copyright. Ripping DVDs only technically became illegal after the DMCA passed which made circumventing DRM against the law. In the eyes of copyright law ripping a DVD you own is no more illegal than ripping a CD you own or copying media from your computer to your iPod, Zune, MP3 player, etc.,.

All of what I just said only applies to the US though as different countries have different laws.


Lethal

 

[Carniphage]

If only it were true.

It is. Been tested.
Fair use wins. No jury would ever convict.

C.

 

[cheesymogul]

Do you think that was Apple's decision, or something to do with the copyright holders?

Why would this not be Apple's decision? The studio is offering exact the same BD disc with the same languages and extras all over Europe! The only thing that changes are sometimes the covers. Like for summaries in the respective language and such.
Often the discs even contain all the rating labels from the different countries, which indicates one print for all Europe.

If the copyright holders offer their BD content without border restrictions, why then restricting the equally DRM protected digital copies? This makes absolute no sense!

All this crap will eventually stop. Because all it does is make piracy more and more attractive.

C.

This certainly drives people directly into the fangs of Pirate Bay & Co.
Once they have smelled the scent of free content, there will be no luring them back to paid one...

That's why the quality of the downloads is so damn important. People are only willing to pay if offered better quality than the free one.

At least Pioneer and Toshiba have stopped this whole region code nonsense here in Switzerland. Both brands sell only codefree dvd players now, although it is illegal. Only the BD part is still locked into region B.
Obviously too many lost sales went to chinese no-name region free players.

 

[archipellago]

It is. Been tested.
Fair use wins. No jury would ever convict.

C.

source (post 2000)??

I'm in the UK... I'm 90% sure you're wrong.

 

[yg17]

Ok. And what if you run a bed and breakfast with 30-50 rooms, all with TV's hooked up to a server. And you do the same thing.

It's the proverbial slippery slope, friend. Theft is theft is theft.

Except I don't run a bed and breakfast with 30-50 rooms. I live alone, in a one bedroom apartment, therefore, anything I paid for is going to be seen by me and only me. If I ran a bed and breakfast, then I'd buy the appropriate number of copies for the number of rooms.

That's like saying my car shouldn't go past 15 miles an hour because I might speed down a residential street with kids playing outside because I have the capability to.

If you enjoy Blu-ray, if you want the medium to survive and thrive, buy TWO.

I can by 50 copies, that's still not going to help me play them on my iPad

Go on. Do it just to spite Steve Jobs. I do.

I don't give a damn about spiting Steve Jobs or whatever you're on about.

And my remark about Jobs pimping you out as a thief is because he made it impossible for you to watch the legal Blu-ray on your laptop, so you broke the law and ripped it.

Pimp. Crime. Theft.

Except Blu-ray ripping isn't legal for personal use. It falls under fair use.

2) nonsense, there is zero proof an optical disc will outlast a hard drive

It's common sense. A hard drive has spinning parts that wear out. An optical disc has no spinning parts.

3) yes, in the states, a copper telephone line can go up to 20Mbps, take a look:

And you have to live within a certain radius (a few miles) of the central office to get that service. Many people don't. Voice can go a lot further down a copper line than broadband. I work for a phone company that offers a similar service to that Qwest one. I know more about this than you do.

 

[xbjllb]

UK has fair-use laws. I am allowed under law to make a copy of my own disks, providing that am not doing so to re-sell or profit by it.

I am breaking no law. Nor am I breaking any moral code. No content-creator was deprived of a cent of royalties by my actions.

Oh yes. God forbid the mighty "C" has to buy two or even three discs for his family to make up for the millions of thieves ripping them. Making up royalties to the creators. And that wasn't the only choice, the cheapest choice was to buy universal players!

It's different with software. The ridiculously higher prices we are forced to pay for software is directly because those who do choose to be ethical and buy are subsidizing those who steal.

No matter. When your kids take those files and transfer them to their friends (and they will) you can rationalize that theft you taught them too.

 

[LethalWolfe]

1) yes, but in the computer industry the term "modem" still means a dial up connection... not: dsl, cable or satellite.

What computer industry are you talking about? The term "modem" is not limited to dial up connections.


Lethal

 

[archipellago]

Except I don't run a bed and breakfast with 30-50 rooms. I live alone, in a one bedroom apartment, therefore, anything I paid for is going to be seen by me and only me. If I ran a bed and breakfast, then I'd buy the appropriate number of copies for the number of rooms.

That's like saying my car shouldn't go past 15 miles an hour because I might speed down a residential street with kids playing outside because I have the capability to.


I can by 50 copies, that's still not going to help me play them on my iPad



I don't give a damn about spiting Steve Jobs or whatever you're on about.



Except Blu-ray ripping isn't legal for personal use. It falls under fair use.

I'm pretty sure circumventing the BRD copyprotection methods (DRM etc.) which you need to do to rip it is the actual crime.

It isn't even legal in the UK to rip a CD...!

 

[OllyW]

It is. Been tested.
Fair use wins. No jury would ever convict.

C.

I would be interested to learn more about about that verdict. Have you got a link to it?

The Consumer Focus campaign group were still calling for a change to the law back in February this year.

 

[yg17]

I'm pretty sure circumventing the BRD copyprotection methods (DRM etc.) which you need to do to rip it is the actual crime.

It isn't even legal in the UK to rip a CD...!

Then I'm guilty as charged, and proud of it.

 

[archipellago]

Then I'm guilty as charged, and proud of it.

sad state of affairs...

 

[xbjllb]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Jobs
There are no plans to make a tablet.
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Originally Posted by Steve Jobs
We didn’t think we’d do well in the cellphone business.
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Originally Posted by Steve Jobs
The fact is that people don’t read anymore.
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Originally Posted by Steve Jobs
I’m not convinced people want to watch movies on a tiny little screen.

Bonus points to anyone who can find the quote where he dissed USB Flash-based MP3 players without displays, months before Apple released the iPod Shuffle.

I sure hope you're right. For this wouldn't be the first time that Apple popped in here with a poison promise of Blu-ray to try and kill the furor.

 

[Carniphage]

Why would this not be Apple's decision? The studio is offering exact the same BD disc with the same languages and extras all over Europe!

Because the terms offered by studios to Apple are not the same terms that apply to BluRay.

The studios play a never-ending game of trying to offer the very least in terms of rights and demanding the very largest sums of money for those rights. The same tricks are done in video-games and in book and music publishing.

Apple only got DRM removed from music when it was powerful enough to do so. The nascent iTunes video model has nowhere near enough power to get better deals on rights.

As a commercial entity, Apple would benefit from the most liberal rights restrictions. So it is not in their interests to restrict what consumers do at all.

C.

 

[xbjllb]

Let's see how many people think that being locked out of playing your own disks a good thing for everyone.

C.

That's just it. You weren't locked out of playing your own discs. First of all, you willingly and knowingly purchased the WRONG discs for the players you had, and secondly, you could have bought a universal player to play them once you bought them.

No wonder you don't want Blu-ray on Macs... you've already solved the problem by THEFT.

But not in full fidelity. Not by a long shot.

 

[Carniphage]

I would be interested to learn more about about that verdict. Have you got a link to it?

The Consumer Focus campaign group were still calling for a change to the law back in February this year.

I am pretty sure that no case of simple format shifting for personal use has had a successful prosecution. Which I think means the law is dead as a dodo.

C

 

[yg17]

That's just it. You weren't locked out of playing your own discs. First of all, you willingly and knowingly purchased the WRONG discs for the players you had, and secondly, you could have bought a universal player to play them once you bought them.

No wonder you don't want Blu-ray on Macs... you've already solved the problem by THEFT.

But not in full fidelity. Not by a long shot.

Why is buying a universal player any better than ripping the discs to get around region restrictions? The end result is the same.

 

[Carniphage]

That's just it. You weren't locked out of playing your own discs. First of all, you willingly and knowingly purchased the WRONG discs for the players you had, and secondly, you could have bought a universal player to play them once you bought them.

No wonder you don't want Blu-ray on Macs... you've already solved the problem by THEFT.

But not in full fidelity. Not by a long shot.

Hi Xbjllb or whatever you call yourself.

Had enough with you. You don't seem to understand what theft means. And you have had an opportunity to retract the accusation. Made me quite annoyed, and I was tempted to say rude things about you.

Decided to resist doing that.

If it's okay with you, I will be ignoring you from now on.

Hope you understand. Cheers.

C.

 

[xbjllb]

Why is buying a universal player any better than ripping the discs to get around region restrictions? The end result is the same.

One is legal. The other is not. And here's why:

One preserves the disc. The other provides a file that one's kids can readily trade under the parents' nose.

And probably will, given the parents' penchant for theft.