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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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There's still a massive cost that goes into making movies, that far exceeds what recording an album costs. That's why movies will always cost more than music.
Music's not cheap either. $10,000 per SINGLE radio station add to playlist. And that's a 2004 figure. And without radio airplay, complete invisibility forever.
On top of production costs, real promotion (other than to radio), PR, and advertising.
Which is why, in the ten years we've had "free" downloads for all, there's never been a single breakthrough of any artist outside the machine.
Movies, on the other hand, have been far more experimental and far more new directors have broken through, because they haven't yet as been as decimated as the record industry by piracy.
Nothing kills true innovation faster than piracy as the machine tightens up.
And for that we can all thank Steve Jobs, directly. Who then, after doing his nearly irreparable damage, decided to take a huge chunk of pie via the iTunes store. Now that's a real Buddhist, taking it coming and going.
We used to call them something else.
In the war between content creators and thieving consumers, we all know whose side Steve Jobs is on, and has always been on.
The AppleTV was perfect in 2007, but Apple has been working the entire time on the 2.0 version, so when it's released, it will be perfect too... for awhile. Sounds like you don't understand moore's law.
What amuses me most about this discussion is the tendancy for people (on both sides) to presume that transition from one format to another is complete across the entire population. It isn't. It never has been. MP3s are nice, but CDs haven't gone anywhere and you can still buy vinyl in many cases. AM radio continues to exist well after FM was introduced, and both continue to hang around in the age of XM. As long as people support a product, it will continue to be produced... there isn't some massive technology-killing cartel that forces you to upgrade. People upgrade at their own pace, and for many people, that pace is REALLY SLOWLY.
That's the key here: DVD, BluRay, and Downloads are all going to be viable products for the people who want to use them. None of them are going away in the next 10 years. DVD is too firmly embedded in our industry to just go away. Downloads are going to be the format of convenience. BluRay will provide quality for people who prioritize it. All three are making serious money for the studios and other content providers.
Given the above, it doesn't make sense for Apple to ignore BluRay if they wish to be a player in the home entertainment market. There is no technical reason not to, therefore, the reason must be political-- it's a competing distribution method opposed to iTunes. The company line has been that they aren't supporting BluRay because it's not viable in the long term, but I'd suggest it's just the opposite: Apple isn't supporting BluRay because its growth is comparing favorably to iTunes'.
That's the key here: DVD, BluRay, and Downloads are all going to be viable products for the people who want to use them. None of them are going away in the next 10 years. DVD is too firmly embedded in our industry to just go away. Downloads are going to be the format of convenience. BluRay will provide quality for people who prioritize it. All three are making serious money for the studios and other content providers.
Given the above, it doesn't make sense for Apple to ignore BluRay if they wish to be a player in the home entertainment market. There is no technical reason not to, therefore, the reason must be political-- it's a competing distribution method opposed to iTunes. The company line has been that they aren't supporting BluRay because it's not viable in the long term, but I'd suggest it's just the opposite: Apple isn't supporting BluRay because its growth is comparing favorably to iTunes'.
No, with ATV Flash it supports all the other formats, you can torrent it, search for "ATV Flash"
http://www.atvflash.com/
That's exactly why AppleTV and iTunes movies never will enter my home theater... due to insufficient quality!
It's sad enough that you'll have to go the illegal route if you want quality downloads...
A Mac Mini could still make it as a HT server though - if equipped with a blu-ray player. But this wouldn't make much sense if you have to install Win 7 to play said BD content.
It's funny how the download convenience freaks suddenly argue that playing blu-ray content via Windows wouldn't be much of a hassle...
You know, it would be smart being able to check your burned material, before sending it off to your clients.
Without Windows there is no safe nor convenient blu-ray content production possible on a Mac. Period.
Convenience is desirable and important for hobby viewing, but not so for professional content production???
Speaking about iTunes' limitations. It pisses me off that I couldn't even activate the digital copies I received with two blu-ray discs purchased in England. Despite the fact that region B blu-rays work in all of Europe and are multilingual, in order to play the included digital copy on your device, you still be needing an iTunes account from the same country the discs were bought!
If you buy digital copy BD's in a foreign country, don't forget to bring back an iTunes gift card as well. You'll be needing it to set up an iTunes account with a fake address.
Again, the only solution would be an illegal one...
does moore's law say anything about speaking endlessly about things that either don't make sense or no one cares about?
We don't want your reasonable and well-thought-out rhetoric here. Go back to where you came from - because you do not understand the laws of the internet Jihad!
But I would differ with you.
Apple has established a business model in audio by bypassing physical media and selling content digitally. Creating profits both in hardware sales and in media distribution.
It's not a surprise that Apple intends to replicate its success in the world of video. This is a competing world-view to the Sony/Philips physical model approach of selling discs.
I suspect that Apple also knows precisely how many users actually watch movies on its computers. And knowing that data has decided that the costs of buying the licenses are not worth the benefit.
Clearly the pro Blu-Ray Jihadis see this a direct challenge to their manhood. But you are correct - that multiple delivery mechanisms will co-exists for a while.
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AND BECAUSE BLU-RAY IS A TECHNOLOGICALLY VASTLY SUPERIOR PRODUCT to iTunes downloads.
And emotionally, with something tangible and physical to hold.
And will be for the foreseeable future.
The one thing all fake innovators hate: anything superior to their inferior crap.
Do you think that was Apple's decision, or something to do with the copyright holders?
I have a 300 physical DVDs - half region 1 and half region 2. Despite having paid for them, Unless I hack the firmware, I have to play russian roulette when I watch one.
All this crap will eventually stop. Because all it does is make piracy more and more attractive.
C.
So Apple's product, out of the box, is crap, and it requires hacking by other people do make it good. Don't give Apple credit for making such a wonderful product, if they had their way, it would be locked down and only play their own formats.
AND BECAUSE BLU-RAY IS A TECHNOLOGICALLY VASTLY SUPERIOR PRODUCT to iTunes downloads.
And emotionally, with something tangible and physical to hold.
And will be for the foreseeable future.
The one thing all fake innovators hate: anything superior to their inferior crap.
Technology superiority means nothing when people will flock to convenience. I know its hard for the Blu Ray jockeys to understand this but, NORMAL CONSUMERS don't give a **** about bitrates, 7.1 audio, etc. If it looks good they'll like it. It doesn't matter if they can get a better video quality if the stream (or just regular DVD for that matter) already looks good enough, which for many many people, is the case.
C, just like Blu-ray burners have been available for Mac OS for two years now, SURELY someone as intelligent as yourself could have bought a universal DVD player by now? One that plays any regions' discs?
Even by mail order?
As an Apple Fanboi, I would say, yeah...pretty much.
However in their defence, locking down is something that device makers have to do to gain access to the content in the first place. BluRay players, PS3s and so on are all locked down and riddled with DRM, because there is a widespread paranoia that users will rip them open and let their bits out.
Actually this happened.
But it was BluRay that was hacked.
C.
Nah, Apple has made very little from the iTunes Store, it was published a few weeks ago that the number is around $189 million during the entire life of the Store, so he's getting less than 1%, so his Buddhist teachings are strong.
Yep, absolutely, and as prices come down on huge screen TV's and those consumers put up even an upscaled DVD against Blu-ray, in most living rooms that aren't that large and they won't be sitting more than 12 feet away, the superiority will quickly and forevermore become clearly evident to all but the blind and half-blind.
If you have eyes for it, and sit close enough, it beats any theater you've ever been in. I have actual 16mm films of TV shows and a projector and screen, and Blu-ray even beats that resolution, and more amazingly, the look and feel of watching projected film.
I used to have a universal DVD player. Dumped it now.
I bought my kids Mac Minis - and they have region locked drives.
The easiest solution was to rip the content and put it on a server.
C.
Yep, absolutely, and as prices come down on huge screen TV's and those consumers put up even an upscaled DVD against Blu-ray, in most living rooms that aren't that large and they won't be sitting more than 12 feet away, the superiority will quickly and forevermore become clearly evident to all but the blind and half-blind.
If you have eyes for it, and sit close enough, it beats any theater you've ever been in. I have actual 16mm films of TV shows and a projector and screen, and Blu-ray even beats that resolution, and more amazingly, the look and feel of watching projected film.
The majority of people aren't video or audiophiles. Just because something is better doesn't mean something that is already great (like DVD) won't do for the vast majority of people.
If Blu ray is waiting for the vast majority of people to have home theatre set ups, or just hdtvs for that matter, Blu ray is going to be waiting a while.
Because the pirate thinks that Apple are not motivated by making loads of money because Jobs is a Buddhist.
And what part of his Buddhist teachings taught him to facilitate theft and thieves such as yourself? And inspire thieves like yourself to steal others work? And profit from facilitating and inspiring thieves and theft?
And of course, since theft and thievery are such part and parcel of Buddhist teachings, then why does Steve instruct Apple to sue anyone who even thinks of infringing any of Apple's copyrights? And when Apple is sued for copyright infringement, why doesn't Steve just give away the patents to those asking for them, since he approves of theft and thievery so much?
In fact, why do any of us have to pay for anything Apple makes at all? Shouldn't we be able to go right down to the Apple store, take out all we can carry and use, and not pay anything?
How about you? Are you a midnight shopper at your local Apple store?
And what part of his Buddhist teachings taught him to facilitate theft and thieves such as yourself? And inspire thieves like yourself to steal others work? And profit from facilitating and inspiring thieves and theft?
How does Jobs inspire thieves? Are you ****ing kidding me?
I've lived in Europe and so if they were big there then big must be a relative term.
On a totally unrelated note, those were minidiscs in The Matrix, cool never noticed that. I didn't even know they could be used for data storage, though I guess it does make sense since CD and audio tape have both been used for storing data.
PS: I just looked down, my manhood is doing very well thank you
I think it probably Howard Stringer is motivated by making money too.
He's just not as good at it.
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He's just not as good at it.
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