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Steve Jobs Taking New Medical Leave of Absence
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There has to an "unmoved" mover. Life cannot come from non-life. It doesn't make sense otherwise.
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Really? So if there's a building, it obviously has a builder, correct? Why wouldn't creation have a creator? Look around you.
Then by your own logic. Which would seem to be that everything has a creator. Who created your creator?
There has to an "unmoved" mover. Life cannot come from non-life. It doesn't make sense otherwise.
true. apple is a juggernaut right now and even if jobs were to pass away apple would continue to grow for the foreseeable future. johnny ive's design philosophy will continue to lead apple.
I hope so too, going short at opening, hoping I won't be the only one. (I see profit in this, one's loss, is another's gain).
That's not how stock or the market works. The market is a liquidity meter and a major plunge is coming. Apple will be around but the stock price is not based on how good a company is.
I could beg to differ on a large basis of scientific fact (and posturing), however I feel that this isn't the place for this and should rather be discussed in the PRSI board.
As so many have already stated above, all the best with your health! We'll keep you in our thoughts and prayers. 
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I don't know. I for one, think differently.
AdeFowler said:
I don't know. I for one, think differently.
You are saying that something coming from nothing "doesn't make sense" but that something existing forever without a beginning does. I would put forth the philosophy that we are unable to determine what preceded what we now see due to lack of information and the inability to process the information we currently have. There has never been on observable instance in the natural world where something existed without a beginning. So to suppose that such a thing is a logical conclusion is merely hopeful extrapolation.
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PM me if you want to continue discussion.
darkplanets said:
PM me if you want to continue discussion.
Apple not Dead Because Steve Taking LOA
First and foremost apple is not going to die if Steve isnt there.
Apple had difficulty in the 90s not because there wasnt Steve at the helm. But because the stupid board put an ex-Pepsi gut that had no idea how to run a technology company. Selling sodas does not qualify you to sell computers. DUH!
Apple lost focus and had too many products in its lineup. They didnt benefit from the economy of scale because they didnt sell enough of any one product.
Steve may be a visionary but he dont come up with every idea. There is a team of people doing that. Apple was granted almost 600 patents in 2010. Steve didnt do that. Steve doesnt design the product or write code.
As long as they have people at the top that dont forget that Apple *IS* a brand and putting out crappy products hurts the brand they will be fine. As a share holder and having worked in the Silicon Valley for more than 20 years this doesnt unnerve me.
I wont be dumping my stock and I wont be selling off my Apple products.
First and foremost apple is not going to die if Steve isnt there.
Apple had difficulty in the 90s not because there wasnt Steve at the helm. But because the stupid board put an ex-Pepsi gut that had no idea how to run a technology company. Selling sodas does not qualify you to sell computers. DUH!
Apple lost focus and had too many products in its lineup. They didnt benefit from the economy of scale because they didnt sell enough of any one product.
Steve may be a visionary but he dont come up with every idea. There is a team of people doing that. Apple was granted almost 600 patents in 2010. Steve didnt do that. Steve doesnt design the product or write code.
As long as they have people at the top that dont forget that Apple *IS* a brand and putting out crappy products hurts the brand they will be fine. As a share holder and having worked in the Silicon Valley for more than 20 years this doesnt unnerve me.
I wont be dumping my stock and I wont be selling off my Apple products.
Really?
Go find any video on youtube and read the comments. You will see what people will say when they have a little anonymity. Thats all I meant. As for my comments about AI, I don't think anyone who has been visiting this site for the last several years would be under any illusions that they don't value traffic above news.
I don't think he would want to. It is difficult to run a large company and remain creative. (It's what makes SJ unique.) Given the choice, Ive would likely choose the latter.
James Bond guitar twanging in the background...
The name is Ballmer. Steve Ballmer!
Uhhh, No Thank-you!
"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet." - Romeo & Juliet
Get thee well, Steve. Get thee well!
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What individual 'evidence' do you need? Something can't come from nothing.
akrantz said:
What individual 'evidence' do you need? Something can't come from nothing.
As much as I want the best for the guy, I hope he leaves soon and the new CEO has different ideas, such as a more open app store, or separating the i from iOS X.
But please do get well soon Steve!
But please do get well soon Steve!
I wish Steve the best. I know Apple was survive perfectly fine without him since he hasn't performed day-to-day CEO duties in years (that's always been Cook's job).
However, I hope this doesn't lead to another year of the "meh" product announcements like the first half of 2009 (iPhone 3GS, barely updated iLife suite, iWork.com beta, iTunes' move to tiered pricing, minimal hardware updates, etc).
However, I hope this doesn't lead to another year of the "meh" product announcements like the first half of 2009 (iPhone 3GS, barely updated iLife suite, iWork.com beta, iTunes' move to tiered pricing, minimal hardware updates, etc).
As much as I may disagree with apple's direction, they're running on all cylinders. Just look at the Mac App Store. I was surprised to see how many apps are available and its giving the small developer a channel to distribute their apps.
while it would be nice to see a little more openness, I'm not sure Tim Cook, the heir apparent is willing to go that route, especially because the route they're taking has been wildly successful. Why fix what's no broken, type of mentality.
Yes; Tim Cook put a HDMI, USB 3.0, Light peak ports and blu ray, to the iMac. Also, shove a dual core CPU and GPU, gyro, 8mp with 1080p vr, 3D no glasses display, retina display, 1gb RAM, iMovie desktop equivalent app, flash.... to the iPad.
Sorry Steve, but your decisions are rubbish: no blu ray, to increase itunes 720p sales; no flash, to increase sales of apps. Really, if you add blu ray, HDMI etc, then your sales will go up (with the right marketing.)
Sorry Steve, but your decisions are rubbish: no blu ray, to increase itunes 720p sales; no flash, to increase sales of apps. Really, if you add blu ray, HDMI etc, then your sales will go up (with the right marketing.)