I voted this as positive. You can tell by looking at him that he's not well. He needs to take some time off to recover.
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Steve Jobs Taking New Medical Leave of Absence
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I really hope he returns as well. Wish him the best of luck!
I really hope he returns as well. Wish him the best of luck!
I guess you don't understand the idea of which vote works based on your sympathy for him. If you vote positive in this case that means you're glad he's taking a leave and you're glad he's sick and you're glad there's negative news about him. If you vote negative in this case that means you are disappointed that he's now taken sick and you wish him a speedy recovery because Apple needs him. The positive votes in this case are from people who hate SJ. Are those your intentions?
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Your answer is somehwat biased. You yourself admit to having worked for a cellphone manufacturer. Of course it's fine that you have a sense of loyalty to that company. However, you can't deny that the iPhone very much so revolutionized cellphones. We'd probably still be using somewhat lame Blackberrys with no Wifi on them.
Your answer is somehwat biased. You yourself admit to having worked for a cellphone manufacturer. Of course it's fine that you have a sense of loyalty to that company. However, you can't deny that the iPhone very much so revolutionized cellphones. We'd probably still be using somewhat lame Blackberrys with no Wifi on them.
No. That's your interpretation. Fact is - everyone has their own. Which is why the voting is a bit silly either way.
In 2008 a false rumor of SJ having a heart attack dropped AAPL 10 points. In 2011 SJ is on medical leave of absence and there is no real information about his condition. However, we can assume that due to his recent medical history the condition can be very severe. The effect on 2011? First day reaction is down 8-10% on European exchanges. Therefore, this was expected.
No - I have no loyalties to that company.
And I said nothing about revolutionizing cell phones. Go back and reread the original post I responded to and my response.
The OP said that Apple saved the cell phone industry from the red.
And my statement was simply that saying that is false. The cell phone industry wasn't in the red. At all.
In all honesty what iPhone really did it brought US to 21st century (handset wise that is, networks still suck big time). In Europe mobile communications industry, infrastructure and the products were way ahead of US. The blame for US not moving ahead earlier goes to operators and to their desire to control the whole chain.
If Apple didn't want to suffer an unnecessary plummet in market cap, they'd share whatever good news they had.
For this reason I fear the worse, even as I hope for a better outcome.
Peace to the man and his family.
Markets react to events like this as follows.
People sell because they fear others are going to sell. That self-fulfilling prophecy will bring the stock down. Say, it comes down to 320.
Others who bought the stock in the past week or two will buy more. Those who sold at $340 will consider buying it back.
These two factors will play during the day on Tuesday. The stock may stablize around 330. After earnings announcement, if it is above expectations, the stock will rally to the $350 level, if it is below expectations, will tank to the 310 level.
People sell because they fear others are going to sell. That self-fulfilling prophecy will bring the stock down. Say, it comes down to 320.
Others who bought the stock in the past week or two will buy more. Those who sold at $340 will consider buying it back.
These two factors will play during the day on Tuesday. The stock may stablize around 330. After earnings announcement, if it is above expectations, the stock will rally to the $350 level, if it is below expectations, will tank to the 310 level.
A couple of things to make people less nervous:
1) We don't have to worry about Apple like it was in the past, mostly because I believe that Apple now has a firm succession plan in place with Tim Cook and Phil Schiller taking over the reigns of the company once Jobs leaves the scene.
2) As for Pixar division of Disney (which Jobs still has a lot of personal interest in), it's actually now more under the control of John Lasseter than anything else. As such, I expect Pixar to help produce more profits for Disney in the future.
1) We don't have to worry about Apple like it was in the past, mostly because I believe that Apple now has a firm succession plan in place with Tim Cook and Phil Schiller taking over the reigns of the company once Jobs leaves the scene.
2) As for Pixar division of Disney (which Jobs still has a lot of personal interest in), it's actually now more under the control of John Lasseter than anything else. As such, I expect Pixar to help produce more profits for Disney in the future.
Everyone thinks the worst. Look perhaps Mr. Jobs will take some time to convalesce and while away from the office come up with some great idea.
Who knows, perhaps he might discover a change in working relationship with the company at this time in his life is more productive. Perhaps leaving some details to others to run will be a good thing.
Anyway there are a bunch of armchair doctors around deciding his fate and that of the company. Just let it unfold as it does.
Who knows, perhaps he might discover a change in working relationship with the company at this time in his life is more productive. Perhaps leaving some details to others to run will be a good thing.
Anyway there are a bunch of armchair doctors around deciding his fate and that of the company. Just let it unfold as it does.
Let it be nothing more than just a LOA. Get well really soon, my dear Steve!!
Seriously, without you & Apple, my life would be close to meaningless and colourless.
xoxoxoooo
Wow. This kind of rabid consumerism really concerns me.
Seriously, your life would have no meeting without a chunk of aluminum with a stylized logo of a piece of fruit on it?
Just....wow.
Sad.
Sad, sad, sad. I don't care about the health of any other CEO in the world. Not one. I care about Steve though. I guess all these Apple products has managed to put a dent in my universe. You're amazing Steve. Please get well.
Sad, sad, sad. I don't care about the health of any other CEO in the world. Not one. I care about Steve though. I guess all these Apple products has managed to put a dent in my universe. You're amazing Steve. Please get well.
In all honesty news are not about sympathy in general. They are about news or journalistic value. I find it bit silly even to start evaluating and rating news according to their sympathy value.
To you voting positive might mean: "[...] you're glad he's taking a leave and you're glad he's sick and you're glad there's negative news about him". To me it means that this news is important and it can have effect on Apple, their products and eventually on their customers. To me the value of the news has nothing to do with sympathy. If you honestly think that positive votes are from "[...] from people who hate SJ". Then I think you are mistaken. I think vast majority who voted positive are those who read this like a news site without emotional evolvement including without hate or prejudice.
Pixar, etc.
Yeah, addressing your second point first? Every interview I've read about the place indicates that Steve Jobs does pretty much zero with the day-to-day operations at Pixar. He's heavily invested in it, but beyond that? They do what they do without his creative input having any bearing on the quality of movies they put out. If the worst happened, and Jobs passed away tomorrow? It wouldn't change things at Pixar.
As for Apple itself? Jobs is enough of an icon that you can't help but think it would affect them negatively if he's gone, at least in the short run. I think you're right that he has very capable people lined up to run the show, and they have a pretty good grasp of the right way to proceed. But at the same time? Tim Cook and Phil Schiller never struck me as outstanding public speakers either. Jobs knows how to put on a show when Apple has a new product. That communications with the public is critical -- not only to "hype" the latest offerings, but to explain in detail what the products for people and why they want them.
Of course, that's got to be time-consuming, putting together big presentations all the time and practicing them until you've got them down.... I think most corporate CEO's would rather delegate those tasks to "marketing/advertising" people they hire, which is why they don't enjoy as much success as Apple has. People are far more interested when the head of the company gets out there and spends an hour with you on stage.
Yeah, addressing your second point first? Every interview I've read about the place indicates that Steve Jobs does pretty much zero with the day-to-day operations at Pixar. He's heavily invested in it, but beyond that? They do what they do without his creative input having any bearing on the quality of movies they put out. If the worst happened, and Jobs passed away tomorrow? It wouldn't change things at Pixar.
As for Apple itself? Jobs is enough of an icon that you can't help but think it would affect them negatively if he's gone, at least in the short run. I think you're right that he has very capable people lined up to run the show, and they have a pretty good grasp of the right way to proceed. But at the same time? Tim Cook and Phil Schiller never struck me as outstanding public speakers either. Jobs knows how to put on a show when Apple has a new product. That communications with the public is critical -- not only to "hype" the latest offerings, but to explain in detail what the products for people and why they want them.
Of course, that's got to be time-consuming, putting together big presentations all the time and practicing them until you've got them down.... I think most corporate CEO's would rather delegate those tasks to "marketing/advertising" people they hire, which is why they don't enjoy as much success as Apple has. People are far more interested when the head of the company gets out there and spends an hour with you on stage.
Steve Jobs -- we are praying for you and wish you all the best and hope you're able to return as soon as possible.
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I think it's human nature to assume the worst, but we really shouldn't. Steve's biggest attribute is pressing on in directions long after people have shut the door in his face (getting movies /tv on iTunes comes to mind); And in knowing when to say "no, that's not good enough" (telling Ives that he needed to go back to the drawing board for iMac 2.0 ["sunflower"] -- he has great ideas and I'm sure he's not off dying. But he needs to continue to be reevaluated with testing: diet and rest being paramount.
He's got a wonderful team that has done marvels and will continue to. Cook did a tremendous job the last time off period and will step up in the same fashion. We have a lot of great tech about to launch (iPad 2>fingers crossed) and iPhone 5 coming in 6 months. Verizon is on board finally and we'll get the usual updates on all things-Apple as 2011 unfolds.
Steve is alive and still CEO... he's still going to be in on the big decisions. We shouldn't be putting him in the grave. We need to send him well wishes and believe he'll get better.
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I think it's human nature to assume the worst, but we really shouldn't. Steve's biggest attribute is pressing on in directions long after people have shut the door in his face (getting movies /tv on iTunes comes to mind); And in knowing when to say "no, that's not good enough" (telling Ives that he needed to go back to the drawing board for iMac 2.0 ["sunflower"] -- he has great ideas and I'm sure he's not off dying. But he needs to continue to be reevaluated with testing: diet and rest being paramount.
He's got a wonderful team that has done marvels and will continue to. Cook did a tremendous job the last time off period and will step up in the same fashion. We have a lot of great tech about to launch (iPad 2>fingers crossed) and iPhone 5 coming in 6 months. Verizon is on board finally and we'll get the usual updates on all things-Apple as 2011 unfolds.
Steve is alive and still CEO... he's still going to be in on the big decisions. We shouldn't be putting him in the grave. We need to send him well wishes and believe he'll get better.
I do agree with you. However, I don't think this came unexpected to anyone. Everyone (at least those who paid attention) were aware of the situation. Therefore, I don't think this will have long lasting effect on AAPL (even if his leave of absence is permanent). However, this might escalate Apples plans so they can counter any negative effects even if they are no greater then 10 points. With well placed intro/release of something like iPad2 markets would forget anything happened.
Okay, then explain to me why there's so little positive votes here and so many negative ones. In this case the negative isn't considered vindictive as it usually is. People are genuinely concerned about SJ's health and the health of Apple and the stock holders if he has to step down due to illness. Voting positive that he's reporting that he's taken ill certainly doesn't sound like any of the above.
i agree with bgr...i think it's serious this time and we won't see steve at least until 2012 (if ever).
http://www.bgr.com/2011/01/17/could-steve-jobs-leave-of-absence-be-more-serious-this-time-around/
http://www.bgr.com/2011/01/17/could-steve-jobs-leave-of-absence-be-more-serious-this-time-around/