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Steve Jobs Taking New Medical Leave of Absence

I really hope that's fake, as suggested by something I read on Wikileaks the other day...

I'm all for "freedom of information" in the sense of keeping governments accountable, but leaking (or fabricating) someone's personal medical documents for internet attention is such a low thing to do. :(
 
iEdd said:
I really hope that's fake, as suggested by something I read on Wikileaks the other day...

I'm all for "freedom of information" in the sense of keeping governments accountable, but leaking (or fabricating) someone's personal medical documents for internet attention is such a low thing to do. :(
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I call it fake... wikileaks has been out for a while now. Why would this document from 2004 just come to light now? If this was really in wikileaks the press would have been all over it. You don't think a reporter for Time or a major newspaper would put this on the front page if it was real? This was the first I've heard of it.
 
not bashing anything or anyone here but I'm told Pancreatic Cancer is incurable and that Steve might be dying. I certainly hope that won't happen but from what it sounds like, he might have a year maybe 2 tops before he does. As far as the aids thing, as convincing as it looks, it could be fake but there's no guarantee that it is or isn't. Not sure if Apple can or will survive without SJ in the event that SJ passes away after a year or 2. Any thoughts?
 
pc-proud said:
not bashing anything or anyone here but I'm told Pancreatic Cancer is incurable and that Steve might be dying. I certainly hope that won't happen but from what it sounds like, he might have a year maybe 2 tops before he does. As far as the aids thing, as convincing as it looks, it could be fake but there's no guarantee that it is or isn't. Not sure if Apple can or will survive without SJ in the event that SJ passes away after a year or 2. Any thoughts?
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The common type is very nasty. Fortunately Steve had a rarer neuroendocrine tumour (islet cell carcinoma), which is easier to treat. He's certainly had it for longer than "a year or 2" as well.
 
Whatever the truth is, the media are not one small group of individuals who could be paid off. As to putting in the most important stories and not celebrity fluff, well that's another issue. :) If that was the case of the media being able to be paid off, Nixon could have paid off everybody and kept Watergate a secret.

If ever there was a time when a rich individual or large entity could pull off censorship, it was far more likely in the Watergate days than in this age of twitter and the internet.

I say this document is a fake just from the lack of media interest. Common sense.
 
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Burger Thing said:
Yeah, right. Bill Gates was/is a clever businessman. Or more precise: a clever plagiarist.
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And has more than made up for it.

Pity it seems Steve Jobs will not be given enough time to even begin to catch up with Gates penitent philanthropy.
 
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AidenShaw said:
Well, note where CNN put the story on Jobs:

[...]

Steve Jobs - builder of shiny things
Bill Gates - Philanthropist
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Do we really care where CNN filed it, or even why? Bill Gates deserves great credit for being a philanthropist (he's got a lot of competition in that field through the last century as I'm sure you know) but when discussing the greatest visionary how does that even fit into the equation? Steve Jobs' recent activities include turning shaking up the music and mobile phone industries and the products which have recently made Apple so wealthy are not integral to human need by any means, but they're really impacting technology and society. My disagreement with your dismissal of him stems more from his original work in ushering the computer to the mass market and the way in which he has continually evolved it over the years—something which has had a tremendous impact on society.

Bill Gates—and I sure do like the guy—spent much of his time being a stellar cut-throat businessman. Microsoft has never been an exceptional innovator. They've just known what to do, how to market it, and how to protect that investment (at least they did under Bill). Taking that into the context of a visionary becomes a little more difficult, but regardless of the means through which he accomplished his goals, he had an incredibly large impact on society, technology, and has changed lives all across the planet. Both of these people are excellent in their own regard.

But Steve Jobs, in the context of discussing visionaries, as a footnote? No.

It would be nice if he lived up to some of Bill Gates' philanthropic efforts, but we're probably going to see where he stands on this when he passes away.
 
davidremember said:
Jobs' comments about his health are always carefully crafted. In this latest comment, there is what I think is an ominous phrase. Instead of saying "I hope to be back soon", or "I will be back as soon as I can", both of which imply that he knows he will eventually be back, he instead combines both, leaving open the possibility that he will not return: "I love Apple so much and hope to be back as soon as I can."

Also, "I love Apple so much" sounds a little too emotional for him, and rings like a goodbye.

My first post, be gentle!
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i'd say you're an astute rhetorician. i like to pick apart public statements in the news as well for the subtleties.
 
AidenShaw said:
Jobs had a vision for expensive toys for the well-to-do. Gates was instrumental in bringing cheap computing to the masses
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I know we're way past this, but come on man, did you ever hear about the Apple II???:confused::confused:
 
NT1440 said:
I know we're way past this, but come on man, did you ever hear about the Apple II???:confused::confused:
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The Apple II was $1298 without a monitor ($4500 in today's dollars). The TRS-80 was $600, and included the monitor.

The Apple Tax is not something that recently appeared.
 
AidenShaw said:
The Apple II was $1298 without a monitor ($4500 in today's dollars). The TRS-80 was $600, and included the monitor.

The Apple Tax is not something that recently appeared.
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Now that's just silly. Having learned to program on a TRS-80, and having grown up using both TRS-80's and Apple II's, I say you are literally comparing Apple's to...non-Apples.
 
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Burger Thing said:
Yeah, right. Bill Gates was/is a clever businessman. Or more precise: a clever plagiarist. But I doubt history will remember him as a man with a vision as Steve Jobs. In fact, MS seems to carry this particular can for a while already, because in most cases when they come out with a "future concept" in order to prove otherwise, it had the smell of "trying too hard". And failed. :p
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I assume your mean Bill Gates III not his grandfather Bill Gates, who would, from various articles I've read like Wired on the Gate Foundation, seem to be very deserving of histories kind view. Yet he doesn't even get a Wiki page.
 
I find myself more upset about his health than I have been for a public figure for a long time. I believe that he has helped change the world, whether other people agree or not. I also fear that he still has a vision that he is desperate to make true and it upsets me that my gut tells me he won't make it. I want to be wrong. I really do.
 
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Let's focus on well wishing Steve Jobs. This is not a question of faith, we want him to be well. As humans, nothing more.

Get well Steve.
 
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A Tackier Pink said:
Let's focus on well wishing Steve Jobs. This is not a question of faith, we want him to be well. As humans, nothing more.

Get well Steve.
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I could not agree more. Much earlier in this thread, I expressed well wishes for Steve. Then upon reading all the dissuasion about religion today, I thought I would inject some humor. Well, it didn't work so I got serious and pondered why? Then after reading some posts again it hit me. There are a huge group here that believe he is God. Poor souls.
 
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responses deleted/censored?

Wow. My responses about relgion along with many others appear to have been deleted without any reason posted or anything. Shame on whoever did that. Is this the type of forums that www.macrumors.com wants to run? Nothing was said that broke the rules of the form. Shame on whoever deleted the posts.
 
toromac said:
Wow. My responses about relgion along with many others appear to have been deleted without any reason posted or anything. Shame on whoever did that. Is this the type of forums that www.macrumors.com wants to run? Nothing was said that broke the rules of the form. Shame on whoever deleted the posts.
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This isn't the place to discuss religion and it was off topic anyway.

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Off-topic posts. Off-topic posts will be deleted/edited. If you keep doing it see #5. Threads and posts on controversial political, religious, and social issues are to be limited to the Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum, and made only by those eligible for that forum.
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https://macrumors.zendesk.com/hc/en-us#Things_Not_to_Do

MacRumors has it's own dedicated forum for all that sort of stuff but you need to make 100 posts before you can contribute there. :)
 
It's time for the Mac community to accept the gravity of his incurable cancer.

Don't get me wrong I wish him well. I truly do.

But facts are facts. Doubt it? Ask any medical professional that knows about his type of cancer.

It's grave and it's advanced. His body has been through a lot with the transplant and all.

Steve is not the type of man that would take a medical leave unless he absolutely had to. This is very sad, and very real people.
 
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