Yeah, thats why some of Apples products fail completely? Is it really that hard for your kind of people to realise that people buy apple stuff because they like it? Not because they have been told what to buy.
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Steve Jobs to Introduce iCloud, iOS 5, and Mac OS X Lion at WWDC Keynote
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Yeah, thats why some of Apples products fail completely? Is it really that hard for your kind of people to realise that people buy apple stuff because they like it? Not because they have been told what to buy.
If Apple sold a brick with an Apple logo and called it magical, the flock would be lined up to buy them for 199.99 each. Apple is a marketing/hype genius and they have built up a huge cult following that feeds on every word that comes from Steve's mouth. He must laugh until he cries when he sees the public reaction.
You're right...
And truth be told, NO ONE does a better keynote presentation than Mr. Jobs!!
And truth be told, NO ONE does a better keynote presentation than Mr. Jobs!!
If Apple users buy everything with an Apple logo, why did the first Apple TV fail to sale in big numbers? Remember iPod Hi-FI which failed so hard that it is so forgotten that even Apple flopp listings fail to remember to include it. Apple have had a number of failed products, which is really weird since you just said that Apple users buy everything with an Apple logo on it. Weird.
Just because you WANT to believe people is tricked into buying Apple products doesnt mean its like that, believe it or not but people actually do have a mind of their own......they buy a product if they think its good, and when the product sucks, they dont buy it, proven by the flopps Apple have had several times.
What has Apple done? Put out excellent after excellent feature packed keynotes. So that today people are not satisfied with a good keynote. They want en exceptional one. They want to be wow'd. They want to see the unexpected.
People like the post I quoted are just ungrateful. The keynotes are not done for your entertainment. They are done to get vital information to the public who can not attend the WWDC. And to that end they do very well. So stop expecting the best show of your life and expect a very informative lecture/demo about the immediate future of Apple's software divisions and you'll be pleased. Cause you'll get that every time without fail.
Apple do their best at the keynotes and some people are just so ungrateful.
iCloud music doesn't really interest me, but I do like the way the iTunes store remembers what Apps I've purchased across devices so that I can delete and uninstall on a whim. I guess the same thing for music would be great if you suddenly 'lost' all your music, and your backup.
What I really want in the new iOS/iCloud is:
Better way to get documents on and off the iPad, the current method is confusing, not consistent across Apps and leaves you with too many files. It seems crazy to me that in Pages, you have to add a document to a window AND then upload from the iPad. Ridiculous. PDF Reader handles file much better. In the ideal world, the document would be made 'live' and modified and updated from any device.
Another annoyance (just a personal peeve as I like my podcasts), is how podcast updates are handled. Unless there's something I'm missing, updating all your podcasts in an iDevice is a real pain. There should be a refresh button that you press once, similar to App updates (update all).
What I really want in the new iOS/iCloud is:
Better way to get documents on and off the iPad, the current method is confusing, not consistent across Apps and leaves you with too many files. It seems crazy to me that in Pages, you have to add a document to a window AND then upload from the iPad. Ridiculous. PDF Reader handles file much better. In the ideal world, the document would be made 'live' and modified and updated from any device.
Another annoyance (just a personal peeve as I like my podcasts), is how podcast updates are handled. Unless there's something I'm missing, updating all your podcasts in an iDevice is a real pain. There should be a refresh button that you press once, similar to App updates (update all).
You are both right. It's is different to the past. But Apple fans are not mindless sheep. Well sort of.
Apple fans will buy the iproducts as fast as Apple can ship them. But if Apple makes and sells just one dodgy flop for a product that is not good, people will buy it like the sheep they are. But the fans will realise how terrible it is and revolt. And vow never to buy another Apple product. Ie, make it that much harder to sell the next product. Even if it is truly brilliant.
So in my mind Apple's first big failed product (read computer or idevice, not hobbies like TV or ipod-hifi) will be the last one it sells well.
Ipod wha? Is this some sort of special ipod.
I just looked it up. No wonder it failed, it was big and ugly and no thought put into design. It looks like a big speaker with an ipod plug on top.
But yeah, point taken... I didn't even know that existed!
I don't think the Apple fans will revolt if the product is not so good. They have been brainwashed for years now and will convince themselves that it is the best thing on the market. Look at the antenna issue on the iPhone. I actually read posts where people said that they didn't care if it dropped calls, they would buy it anyway. I honestly think half the people here would by an iPhone even it didn't make phone calls, and that is frightening. I can't think of one consumer product company that has such a majority of fanatical customers. They eat every word out of Job's mouth like it was bread from heaven. If you say the least critical thing or suggest on something that could be improved upon, they get all bent out of shape and tell you that you don't understand.
I think Apple makes some outstanding products, but I don't think Steve Jobs is the second coming of Christ. I don't think that Apple is thinking about me as much as they are the bottom line. I don't get a woody because Apple makes record profits like most here do. And I believe that when a choice is involved, Apple choses form over function.
People buy iPhones all throughout the year though.
Last quarter, from January 2011 to March 2011, people bought 18 million iPhones... which is 200,000 iPhones every day. And that was the iPhone 4 that was launched 6-8 months earlier (and the 3GS which was even older)
I hear what you're saying... but not everyone buys an iPhone on launch day. The one-year iPhone cycle and two-year contracts don't seem to be in conflict.
Today is May 31, 2011... Apple sold 150,000+ iPhones worldwide today.
There's always someone who is ready to buy a new iPhone.
You know, I probably would buy it if it dropped calls even more than a few occasional times (if it was reliablely dropping calls, I might start thinking of another phone though).
Why? Because I barely use the phone. I have one cause these days you'd be foolish not to have a phone.
But it's majority of use is as a have with me a digital assistant/computer/game machine at any time. The phone aspect means I can justify buying it (and I don't have to fit two things in my purse).
Now, if it dropped data a lot... then that would piss me off.
Sometimes you have to look at what the person finds most important/useful about the object before you say that them ignoring a bad aspect means they are being blindly loyal. Sometimes it just means that aspect is not that important to them.
And let me add, I think antenna gate was way overblown. From what I've seen of my phone, I don't have that issue (or if I do it's so little that I find it not enough for me to even notice. I think I've had one or two calls this year that I had issues with it dropping and it could very well have been the other end). And I dont' think the iphone makes the best phone. I'm one of those that does believe that maybe the problem was more with the iphone than AT&T about the whole AT&T's connection (When I first got the iphone, a 3G, I did notice a propensity for it not to tell me some one called and for me to get the voicemail so late I"d talked to the person in person already. Though I have to admit that did improve after a few months, maybe even after the update to 2.0 or whatever next OS version that came out after the iphone 3G).
You make some good points here. Serious question, do you use the iPhone more as a toy or as a tool?
and yet on those products people like would defend them tooth and nail saying they are the greatest thing since slice bread.
Another example is Mobile Me which is a joke yet people here keep paying 100 a year for a joke service.
What happens as AT&T and other mobile companies put smaller and smaller data limits for your use? Music and movies on the cloud are going to take up some serious data along with everything else you are doing.
Seems like just a winner for the mobile companies.
Seems like just a winner for the mobile companies.
Man my wish list is long!
I sure hope that iCloud includes a free Mobile Me feature set. Just the basics because we are lacking in that stupidly simple area. I could care less about my giant iTunes library being available anywhere. I need my phone and computer to get on the same page without my interaction with them.
I hope iCloud splits the MobileMe feature set in half.
iCloud paid and private data hosting and syncing with a user name no way connected to MobileME. Yes I know this is a very thin layer of obscurity and in itself doesn't provide that much security. That handles syncing of mystuff both files and media between devices.
MobileMe stays but reduced to just it's Public functions, email, file sending, photo sharing and maybe a blog engine website. That way MoblieMe addresses could be thrown away if they get to spammy, but you could link to them from within your iCloud so it can bring all these persona's together.
We could use different MobileMe persona for different devices to control which information gets synced to each device. You wouldn't have to worry about NSFW stuff turning up in your work bookmarks or worst to much work stuff invading your home.
I'm going to stop I think the way my is running I was just about to suggest Apple make iCloudServer that turned the whole thing into DistributedSocialNetwork.
no @mac is still a valid address.
for pre @me customers their @mac addresses are mirrored by @me addresses.
but people who joined after only have @me addresses
I guess if iCloud is a new name for MobileMe instead of new service
then long standing customers will have @mac, @me, @icloud (even maybe @itools if that is still active) at there disposal even better is you can write rules in mail to treat these as different address even though the mail server doesn't.
WWDC is going to be super exciting this year, to me iOS 5 is what I want to hear about most and Lion is the topping on the cake. Bring it 
Mobile Me is weak, but it´s by no way a joke. I do use the Calendar and Contact Sync on a daily basis. iDisk is too slow to be useable, but Apple might improve on that issue after WWDC. And before you start, Google might offer the same service without having you to pay money, but that does not mean they offer it for free.
This is a convenient myth.
The flock doesn't buy any brick with an Apple logo. I don't know anyone who lined up to buy the year ago version of Apple TV or the PowerMac G4 Cube. The XServe is a very recent casualty.. to quote even Apple: "nobody buys them".
Only some Apple products do lots of people buy.
Maybe Mobile Me is a joke to you, but it is very valuable to me.
The most convenient service I've found to sync up my Calendars and Email between my phone and my home computers is Mobile Me. This is worth $100 to me.
The rest of Mobile Me is not worth it to me, but for those 2 features, $100 is fine with me. Just because you don't see value, doesn't mean there isn't value. There isn't value for most people, so the service has failed for the majority.
Why hasn't Mobile Me been an impressive success? Why aren't the 'sheep' flocking to it? Could it be that you're wrong about your assumption?
More iPhone 5 speculation
Just to add more speculation about the fifth generation iPhone being released at WWDC. Over the past few days, I've had a few emails from Vodafone UK telling me that they are now selling free iPhone 4's on low contracts.
The iPhone 3Gs has also reduced in price. This leads me to believe that they are trying to clear old stock and sell as many iPhone 4's as possible before the next generation one is announced.
Just to add more speculation about the fifth generation iPhone being released at WWDC. Over the past few days, I've had a few emails from Vodafone UK telling me that they are now selling free iPhone 4's on low contracts.
The iPhone 3Gs has also reduced in price. This leads me to believe that they are trying to clear old stock and sell as many iPhone 4's as possible before the next generation one is announced.