Steve Jobs to Kick Off WWDC with Preview of Mac OS X "Tiger"

[ITR 81]

I'll be buying Tiger in Oct. or whenever it's released mostly because I'll be buying a new PM by then and I'll need it also for my G4 PB as well.

Great time to use my EDU account again.

 

[bousozoku]

I actually like the bouncing, sometimes on windows i think i double clicked something and i wait for like 2 mins and im like wait, i missed the second click. At least this way i know its opening.

I know what you mean. If Windows would dim the icon to let you know that it was being launched, it would be a simple cue so you wouldn't end up with 16 instances of an application running.

 

[Bendit]

half the time that would be a black screen........

10.1 was free because 10.0 was a piece of ****. 10.2 should of been free too, but paying for 10.3 was well worth it.

And you say you don't have to upgrade with every new version... if you don't you automaticly become a second rate mac user. Many apps stop supporting you. Even if they do keep supporting, how long do you think they will support you for? How many apps require 10.2? pretty much ANY application. Just like this time next year every app will require 10.3 and some will require 10.4. so yes, you do need to upgrade atleast every 2 years (at a minimu) to enjoy being a computer user.

 

[x86isslow]

Oh please please PLEASE return networking like it was under JagWIRE (Job's pronunciation) you know back when you could actually browse and see the other Macs on your network, not have to type in their IP addresses (which is dumb).

Wasnt Job a biblical figure? something about G-d taking his kids away?

I think you mean Jobs' not Job's

 

[DaveGee]

My favorite...probably because it's just so uninformative is PHP, which stands for "PHP Hypertext Processor"

Close but no cigar... Way back in the day... PHP stood for:

"Personal Home Page"

It has seen been reborn as "PHP Hypertext Processor" but some of us old timers still remember it's true roots.

Dave

 

[NusuniAdmin]

4) built in disk-defragmentation. some low-level system process that will defragment drives on the fly or at user specified times w/o the need to reboot or start from special disks.

That is why installers say "optomization" the optomization is arranging the files it installs into the fastest and most suitable matter on the drive. Plus HFS+ devices have that thingy that auto "defrag" files that are under 20 megs and meet certain criteria.

 

[spfolly]

That is why installers say "optomization" the optomization is arranging the files it installs into the fastest and most suitable matter on the drive.

No.

The optimization phase of an installation updates pre-bindings to dynamic libraries for the things being installed. It doesn't rearrange file locations on the disk. See update_prebinding man page.



Steve.

 

[coolsoldier]

That is why installers say "optomization" the optomization is arranging the files it installs into the fastest and most suitable matter on the drive. Plus HFS+ devices have that thingy that auto "defrag" files that are under 20 megs and meet certain criteria.

Not quite. The installers do not defragment, or "arrange files," they update prebindings (check the system activity while it's running). From the manpage for the update_prebinding process:

...tries to synchronize prebinding information for libraries and executables when new files are added to a system. Prebinding information is pre-calculated address information for libraries used by a given executable or library. By pre-determining where a function in another library is destined to be placed, the dynamic linker does not have to resolve symbols at application startup time, and the application can launch faster.

Edit: I guess I don't type fast enough

 

[tkermit]

wow...I've read through 10 pages and most of the desperately needed non-existant (or malfunctioning) features in Panther haven't even been mentioned.
What's up with you guys? Is the rumour about the mac's (or namely Steve Job's) reality distortion field REALLY true ? How can you be so content with panther...sure I like it over Windows XP(although there is a lot in Windows XP that should be just copied over to panther (seriously - just like Microsoft does it ;-) )), but there are so many things that have to be worked on I don't even know where to begin...
Don't get me wrong, I actually REALLY REALLY LIKE my Mac (iBook G4), but some of the things on my list are really getting on my nerves. After all, shouldn't we all be interested in a better Macintosh experience ? Why should we be content with what we've got ? There's so much more that can be done (and some of it is pretty obvious stuff). OK, here are just a few of my major complaints...

(this one was mentioned): - previews of movies in ICON view (just like in Windows XP)

- FAST previews of pictures in ICON view (I know Windows saves them all in a file so they can be QUICKLY displayed the next time you look at the folder - don't know if that's the best solution, but on OS X I have to wait SEVERAL MINUTES for all the previews of ~ 30 1600x1200 pictures to load)

- working previews in column-view in OPEN/SAVE DIALOGUES (am I the only one for whom that isn't working ? )

- less application crashing (safari, iTunes, Mail all crash more often than their Windows counterparts ... still only every 4-5 days, but still (is that just me))

- remember column-width in Finder or make it auto-resizing (so that I can actually see what file I am looking at without spending time readjusting the columns (what's up with: "theo......man" ?)

- automatically use birthday-entries from contacts in iCal (ok, that's a minor one)
- faster Finder (obviously)

..some other things I can't think of right now....


btw...10.3 is GREAT, a kick-ass operating system, without question... *g*

 

[nagromme]

jaguar was the first mature osx version. everything before that need to be considered as one package.

Certainly, I agree--and my point is, you paid for NO X-to-X upgrades during that period. No matter WHEN you bought in, from beta to 10.0 to 10.1, you paid only $129 all told (or less for education) for the package you refer to, up to and including 10.1. Thus, the first paid upgrade of OS X was Jaguar.

 

[LaMerVipere]

Wow, am I the onle one who feels like Panther just came out last month or something?

 

[thogs_cave]

Then turn them off!

In this little timeline you can see that on a PC you go straight from click to splash with no IN-BETWEEN LOADING like on a mac... also known as bounces.

Then just turn the dock bouncing off and be done with it. Why whine about something you can turn off?

 

[eyeluvmyimac]

... in my dreams

wow thats awesome....that has a lot of potential....email that to apple as a suggestion

I have rules in Mail that use speech to let me know when a mail comes in that's work related. As I work from home, all my mail comes into the one account, and I just leave the machine on, and a nice little voice tells me when I've got a mail that needs immediate attention.

I also used to have some long long processes running on the Mac, and with energy saver the screen would go black, and if I got an error dialog, or some other feedback dialog, the Finder would read it out after 60 seconds. This meant that I wouldn't come back to the Mac after 4 or 5 hours, expecting a process to be finished, but it was stuck on some dialog.

so if it already has everything you need (mine does the same minus the email alert), then whats the big deal about it being revamped or whatever everyone is talking about...

 

[Spades]

There is a particular step in the load process that the operating system is waiting for before the bouncing stops. What is that step? Who knows, but it is most likely something that occurs before the window is displayed. If a window is not displayed immediately, then the bouncing will continue. As for why a window (or splash screen) is not displayed immediately, you will have to ask Adobe that question, not Apple.

There is an extra step for some unknown reason. SOMEONE TELL ME WHY!!!!

 

[Doctor Q]

2) bring back file selection by draging in list mode the way it used to be. make the new method an keyboard+click-drag. let me explain, right now if you are in list mode for a finder window and you select a file and drag down it just keeps selecting everything below that. before in list mode you could click and drag down and it would only select those files that stuck out far enough to overlap the drag erea you just created. i dont know if this is possible any more in 10.3.x and if it is in combination with a keystroke, someone please let me know.

Selection in list mode drives me nutty too. I keep trying to select by dragging upward from below the last item, but it won't select anything at all. Their design doesn't match my intuition.

 

[Elan0204]

FAST previews of pictures in ICON view (I know Windows saves them all in a file so they can be QUICKLY displayed the next time you look at the folder - don't know if that's the best solution, but on OS X I have to wait SEVERAL MINUTES for all the previews of ~ 30 1600x1200 pictures to load)

I agree with this complaint. Picture previews take forever to load. Plus you have to scroll through a window that has lots of pictures in order to get thumbnails generated for all of them. If the icon is not on screen, then OS X doesn't even bother creating a thumbnail.

Working previews in column-view in OPEN/SAVE DIALOGUES (am I the only one for whom that isn't working ? )

No, you're not. I never understood why this didn't work.

Less application crashing (safari, iTunes, Mail all crash more often than their Windows counterparts ... still only every 4-5 days, but still (is that just me))

Safari does crash a lot more than I like, and still beachballs a lot for no real reason when loading some pages. However, I don't think I have ever had iTunes crash (in any version of OS X). I don't use Mail.app, so I can't comment on it crashing.

Good list of suggestions. I think we should both submit them to Apple Feedback.

 

[idkew]

I beleive it was Pre Hypertext Processor.

And now PHP means nothing, they have dropped whatever rumoured name they used to have. PHP means PHP.

You're wrong. it is quite obviously Player Hatin' Protocol.

come on, get with the times.

 

[tkermit]

Good list of suggestions. I think we should both submit them to Apple Feedback.

Where do you do that ? Is there an option in OS X or is there a form on some webpage ?

thx, tk.

 

[ssamani]

... and greater, easier Linux compatibility. It'd be great to be able to load Debian and Red Hat packages "just like that." Suddenly we'd have Amaya and all sorts of other apps just a few commands or clicks away...y'know, people like me are rapidly becoming a minority in the Mac world; they're attracting the hard core science and IT pros more and more with their UNIX structures. Easing the use of Linux apps would be a killer. So, of course, would be making it easier to use SMB...and for Heaven's sake, integrating FruitMenu and X-Assist and KILLING command-H and command-M and universals. (Great idea, taking the universal "search and replace" and the PowerPoint "new slide" commands and pre-empting 'em. Why not use command-P and command-N too?)

...and let's add better Java speed and compatibility! That's also a key "why-not" issue...

...and, yes, more ease of flexibility, in where to store your various libraries; and de-mystifying the folder structure'd be nice too. Someday it'd be nice to have Classic *libraries* so you don't need to run Classic, but I suspect that's impossible, so I won't hope.

... a better Terminal - like integrated iTerm! or something similar ...

... an option to use System 9-style open/save boxes... I *hate* both current options.

... I'm sure there are LOTS of other requests.

Yes, that's what die hard Mac fans are screaming for... a better Command Line Interface and Linux's committee based UI design.

 

[ZildjianKX]

<rant>
What's WITH you people?!? Apple doesn't come out with new products, you bitch and moan. Apple DOES come out with new products, you bitch and moan. If they are really all that bad, go use Windows, ****, and burn in hell with the rest of the poor Redmond-ite saps. Otherwise, shape up, realize that Apple is kicking the hell out of everyone software-wise and accept that having the best technology costs a premium.
</rant>

Apologies to those I have offended, and the above statements are not directed at any individual, not even you Zildjian, I just couldn't take it anymore

Hey, if they made the OS right the first time, they wouldn't need that frequent of an update

People want frequent hardware updates, people don't want frequent OS updates... IMHO. They need to spend more R&D time between OS updates and less on adding a few things and then charging more for them.

 

[elgruga]

Another OS? Wow.
I am not doing any more upgrading.
Too silly.

If I like the next OS - I AM GOING TO STEAL IT!

Because its just getting silly - and to the guy who asked "didnt Panther come out like a month ago?" Yes, it did.
I feel the same way.

Enough already.

These boards are becoming sycophantic teenage junk, for the most part.

 

[Bendit]

I hope Tiger isn't due anytime soon after WWDC, Panther hasn't even had time to mature yet. Fix SMB browsing once and for all. Jesus. I wouldn't mind waiting until Summer '05 for Tiger aslong as they get it RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

 

[ssamani]

WINE is supposed to be an emulator that you can run Windoze on.

WINE = Wine Is Not an Emulator.

WINE is a reverse engineered set of MFC (MS Foundation classes) Libs, the Carbon/Cocoa of the Windows world. It basically is a bunch of libs that mimick the standard Windows programming interface on non Windows OS's, e.g., Linux, so that Windows apps will run under it without being ported. However it does NOT emulate a PC or Windows. Windows apps need lots of MS developed Libs to work, WINE provides them under Linux.

One slight drawback is that as the apps don't need to be recompiled, they are compiled for x86 so unless Tiger is also available for PC's WINE on OS X ain't going to happen.

Considering the original request came from the guy who wanted a better CLI, I would suggest he buy a PC as the masses of alternate and better Mac software don't seem to suit.

 

[ktrout]

How can an acronym have itself in its definition. It just seems wrong. According to a little bit of web research, it seems it originally stood for WINdows Emulator, but later realizing it is not a "true" emulator, developers switched up the acronym.

Recursive definitions are common, or at least not that rare. Like GNU for Gnu's Not Unix.

 

[Hes Nikke]

that's on my wish list too. it'd be great if apple specified ui elements width by millimeters and not by pixels, and let the screen resolution scale the same way the printing does.

that'd enable the use of really high resolution lcd:s which are quite costly for the time being. (and i'm not talking about the displays dell uses in its laptops, but real high-end displays used in medical instruments. they talk about +600dpi in there, compared to this powerbook's about 100dpi.)

oh yeah, i'd like to have that G5 powerbook to have a 300dpi display

here here! than i'd be able to purchase a high resolution PowerBook and still be able to see! (just like my high resolution Clié)

i'd pay $129 for that alone!