Steve Jobs Tried Unsuccessfully to Defuse Patent Dispute with Samsung in 2010

[KnightWRX]

The consumer won the day the iPhone was announced and killed the Blackberry paradigm, which coincidentally was the Android pre iPhone.

Blackberry was not a paradigm, it was a form factor. And when did the iPhone kill it ? RIM still ships the Bold. And what does that have to do with Android pre-iPhone ? Android still works fine on any form factor, including the Blackberry form factor and the full touch screen form factor (that Apple did not invent, it goes way back, the earliest I remember being the SE P800) with sliders and flips in between.

Talk about rewriting history there...

 

[TMay]

have you seen this http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/240750/tizen_a_viable_android_alternative_at_last.html ? looks very interesting. htc is said to be looking to buy mobile OS, samsung another android based phones seller signed deal with mircrosoft to pay $10 per device (if i recall correctly) and now this article. shake up would be good, i'd love to see htc buying webOs from HP, googlerola using android, winmo devices and another alternative based on pure linux with heavy support of HTML5 (well, html5, css3 and js).

Android is peaking/has peaked. OEM's bail over cloud of IP licensing. Google falls back to make own Android phones. Last of OEM's bail. This was all predictable based on the successful and extremely profitable Apple model that clever Amazon is now employing (sans high quality design) with forking Android.

Buh bye Android. Enjoy the ride down as a Google product.

 

[voonyx]

Blackberry was not a paradigm, it was a form factor. And when did the iPhone kill it ? RIM still ships the Bold. And what does that have to do with Android pre-iPhone ? Android still works fine on any form factor, including the Blackberry form factor and the full touch screen form factor (that Apple did not invent, it goes way back, the earliest I remember being the SE P800) with sliders and flips in between.

Talk about rewriting history there...

talk about denial there...if you think that the blackberry form factor is still something that is desired or even some sort of "standard" anymore, I don't know what to tell you.

Yes we know, Android works on every form factor, its hardware-agnostic blah blah. The point is people want full touch screens now, and while Apple didn't invent it, they are the ones who popularized it. Of course, in your world it was popular long before Apple and everyone and their mother had a full touchscreen phone

 

[koruki]

 

[Oletros]

Android is peaking/has peaked. OEM's bail over cloud of IP licensing. Google falls back to make own Android phones. Last of OEM's bail. This was all predictable based on the successful and extremely profitable Apple model that clever Amazon is now employing (sans high quality design) with forking Android.

Buh bye Android. Enjoy the ride down as a Google product.

Whisfull thinking?

I can't understand how people has so much hatred like the hatred most of you have against anything that is not Apple.

 

[voonyx]

Whisfull thinking?

I can't understand how people has so much hatred like the hatred most of you have against anything that is not Apple.

I think you're being a little overdramatic It's not hatred. Its just a post on a forum.

 

[kas23]

OK, here's the real reason Apple is suing. They don't like the prospect of having to actual compete in the marketplace. They would rather have vaporware stay vaporware. If Apple had their druthers, no other mobile device would even be in existence.

http://9to5mac.com/2011/09/29/apple-vs-samsung-is-about-ecosystems-not-tablets-or-patents/

 

[PlatinuM195]

The actual tablet design of the galaxy tabs are fine, its the overall presentation that people seem to be missing.

* A white, matte, minimalistic box with only a picture of the tablet in the front and the name on the side
* UI looks similar on the box (a bunch of icons). They could have easily had some widgets and android specific features.
* Similar internal packaging style and AC adapter

Couldn't they have used some effort to differentiate a little?

 

[kdarling]

... samsung another android based phones seller signed deal with mircrosoft to pay $10 per device (if i recall correctly) ...

Analysts are saying that Samsung must be giving Microsoft a small amount, but it's unknown if so and how much.

The companies themselves only say that they cross-licensed a lot of their patents.

Samsung must've had some patents that Microsoft needed, otherwise it would've been more of a one-way license deal.

 

[hexx]

Analysts are saying that Samsung must be giving Microsoft a small amount, but it's unknown if so and how much.

The companies themselves only say that they cross-licensed a lot of their patents.

Samsung must've had some patents that Microsoft needed, otherwise it would've been more of a one-way license deal.

still affects profits. that's the problem with android phones sellers. they don't just compete against winmo, apple, rim but they compete between themselves and although i have no knowledge of their margins, i'm sure they're smaller than the ones of apple.

 

[TMay]

Blackberry was not a paradigm, it was a form factor. And when did the iPhone kill it ? RIM still ships the Bold. And what does that have to do with Android pre-iPhone ? Android still works fine on any form factor, including the Blackberry form factor and the full touch screen form factor (that Apple did not invent, it goes way back, the earliest I remember being the SE P800) with sliders and flips in between.

Talk about rewriting history there...

Sorry, you are being drowned out by reality. The RIM paradigm was messaging centric, but smartphones are expected to accomplish many and varied tasks well. That's why RIM is sliding backwards and being consumed by Apple and Android sales gains.

P800? Sorry, but fail. The P800, as most of the so called touchscreens of the era, used the touchscreen as an addendum to the phone, not as the primary interface as the iPhone. Evolutionary sure, but it was the iPhone that broke the barrier down.

http://www.google.com/products/cata...a=X&ei=fdWETsC9HojWiAKH_bGoDA&ved=0CFAQ8wIwAw

 

[AppleScruff1]

If ever there was a quotation that has been as thoroughly misued, and misunderstood, by the tech community - it would be this one.

(I will note that, although attributed by Steve Jobs to Pablo Picasso, there is no actual record of Picasso ever having said it. But thats another story.)

Picasso was, unquestionably, one of the greatest artists of the twentieth century. And throughout his artistic career he was unquestionably influenced by the work of other artists - both living and dead. The techniques he used, the interplay of perspective, symbols, light, shadow, shading, and brushwork can be found rooted in the works of every one from Edvard Munch and Toulouse-Lautrec to unnamed African carvers.

And yet (and this is the important point) - there is not a single one of Picasso's works that looks in any way similar to, or derivative of, another artist's painting or sculpture. Picasso's work, from the Blue Period to his later Neo-Expressionism is instantly identifiable as being uniquely a Picasso.

Please stop using the Steve Jobs interview quote as a justification for Samsung's theft and copying. It doesn't impress anyone, and it just makes you look uncultured at best. Foolish at worst.

And what does your blind defense and loyalty make you look like?

 

[kdarling]

talk about denial there...if you think that the blackberry form factor is still something that is desired or even some sort of "standard" anymore, I don't know what to tell you.

I do enterprise apps, and although many companies are looking into tablets, the BB form factor is still most popular for handsets.

A report that just came out also found that the rich still prefer a Blackberry over an iPhone.

The point is people want full touch screens now...

Not everyone wants touch only. Phones with keyboards still sell nicely. A recent survey showed that about half of Android buyers prefer them.

Heck, even the iPhone isn't immune. There have been reports that one iPhone 5 prototype had a pullout keyboard, AT&T recently did a poll about the iPhone and keyboards, and there are many articles with speculation about whether Apple will ever sell such a model.

 

[KnightWRX]

Sorry, you are being drowned out by reality. The RIM paradigm was messaging centric, but smartphones are expected to accomplish many and varied tasks well. That's why RIM is sliding backwards and being consumed by Apple and Android sales gains.

So then you're saying Android was message centric pre-iPhone ? When in fact it was on a software basis more like the iPhone then a Blackberry ? I don't follow you here.

Also, iMessage ring a bell ?

I'm sorry I don't share your view of the iPhone "changing" Android. I never will. Nor do I see how all of this is relevent to the topic at hand.

 

[dethmaShine]

talk about denial there...if you think that the blackberry form factor is still something that is desired or even some sort of "standard" anymore, I don't know what to tell you.

Yes we know, Android works on every form factor, its hardware-agnostic blah blah. The point is people want full touch screens now, and while Apple didn't invent it, they are the ones who popularized it. Of course, in your world it was popular long before Apple and everyone and their mother had a full touchscreen phone

That made me jiggle and giggle a bit.

 

[voonyx]

I do enterprise apps, and although many companies are looking into tablets, the BB form factor is still most popular for handsets.

A report that came out today also found that the rich still prefer a Blackberry over an iPhone.



Not everyone wants touch only. Phones with keyboards still sell nicely. A recent survey showed that about half of Android buyers prefer them.

Heck, even the iPhone isn't immune. There have been reports that one iPhone 5 prototype had a pullout keyboard, AT&T recently did a poll about the iPhone and keyboards, and there are many articles with speculation about whether Apple will ever sell such a model.

I'm not saying that these form factors don't exist, or that their desirability is 0. I'm saying, OEMs are moving away from that form factor and they are. For every Blackberry-esque phone that's coming out, there are 25 phones that aren't (don't quote me on the number, its hyperbole).

I'm sure there are people who want a keyboard or a blackberry type form factor, but the truth of the matter is those people are not the majority. If they were the OEMs would be listening to them and putting out phones that reflect that.

 

[dethmaShine]

I do enterprise apps, and although many companies are looking into tablets, the BB form factor is still most popular for handsets.

A report that just came out also found that the rich still prefer a Blackberry over an iPhone.

What blog is that?

Not everyone wants touch only. Phones with keyboards still sell nicely. A recent survey showed that about half of Android buyers prefer them.

Heck, even the iPhone isn't immune. There have been reports that one iPhone 5 prototype had a pullout keyboard, AT&T recently did a poll about the iPhone and keyboards, and there are many articles with speculation about whether Apple will ever sell such a model.

Cool story bro

 

[JAT]

Pointless

A report that just came out also found that the rich still prefer a Blackberry over an iPhone.

Own, not prefer. Don't care how they classify statistics for their story, most business people are using a phone dictated by their company. Once again, dictated by IT departments, mostly. My company is consultants. When the road warriors sit down, it's minimum 2 cell phones they lay out on the table, which one counts in this survey? (my company dictates an Android phone, the 2nd phone is usually another Android or iPhone)

Besides, those numbers are statistically neutral, anyway. 11.3 vs 10.9. A split like that only truly matters when there is only one result, like an election for Pres. Wouldn't a far better stat to look at be the 70.6 that don't claim a smartphone in the top 3 OSes? Say 5% is other smartphone, leaving 65 that are simply choosing not to participate or using dumbphones. (or don't know what they have) Far more interesting to me.

 

[TMay]

So then you're saying Android was message centric pre-iPhone ? When in fact it was on a software basis more like the iPhone then a Blackberry ? I don't follow you here.

Also, iMessage ring a bell ?

I'm sorry I don't share your view of the iPhone "changing" Android. I never will. Nor do I see how all of this is relevent to the topic at hand.

The Android pre iPhone was a copy of the Blackberry. Pretty much everybody that has commented anywhere would agree with that. The Blackberry was the one to beat.

After the arrival of the iPhone, the Blackberry began to lose its cachet, though it still has a base of supporters for its messaging. The Android team under Rubin changed course after the iPhone to a primarily touch interface, although there are still plenty of examples of smartphones with physical keypads outside of Apple.

 

[steve2112]

Yeah. seriously. The germans are right, the Dutch wrong. Apple is totally in the right to own the rectangle with rounded corners :

http://es.scribd.com/doc/61944044/Community-Design-000181607-0001

Of course you know that you now owe Apple money for displaying their copyrighted shape, right?

 

[TMay]

So then you're saying Android was message centric pre-iPhone ? When in fact it was on a software basis more like the iPhone then a Blackberry ? I don't follow you here.

Also, iMessage ring a bell ?

I'm sorry I don't share your view of the iPhone "changing" Android. I never will. Nor do I see how all of this is relevent to the topic at hand.

http://www.google.com/search?q=blac...lJ-3XiAKit6SkDA&ved=0CEMQsAQ&biw=1656&bih=851

http://random.andrewwarner.com/what...d-like-before-and-after-the-launch-of-iphone/

It isn't relevant to the topic at hand except to point out that other manufacturers' want to and have emulated Apple, not Blackberry, after the arrival of the iPhone and some of that emulation crosses over into copying. YMMV

 

[kdarling]

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What blog is that?

*laughing* What, are you trying out a banana emoticon for fun?

Own, not prefer. Don't care how they classify statistics for their story, most business people are using a phone dictated by their company.

I agree, although some of these people have input into what IT can offer.

I also agree with you that there's a huge number of people who simply have no interest in smartphones whatsoever. My wife is one.

(Well, that's not quite true. She likes the *idea* of them, but a touch phone just flummoxes her every time. Somehow she always manages to hit the screen at the wrong moment or place . So she still prefers her old reliable and easy flip phone. )

 

[entatlrg]

Samsung's cable connector is PDMI, an industry standard. Gives a lot of credibility to that big picture you posted (use timg next time).

What's your point exactly?

You think after seeing those photo's what Samsung has done is okay?

Your business ethics are poor.

 

[gnasher729]

Maybe a circular shape with rectangular corners.

Google for "Toshiba Thrive". A tablet with a rectangular screen and a design that says on first view "I am not an iPad". More proof that Samsung had no technological reason for a design that looks so much like an iPad.

There is Sony of course with a tablet that looks even more different.

Of course you know that you now owe Apple money for displaying their copyrighted shape, right?

What a demonstration of ignorance. The pictures are open to the public. They may be copyrighted by the European patent agency where the design patent is held, but not by Apple. What _is_ protected is making tablets that look like this design.

OK, here's the real reason Apple is suing. They don't like the prospect of having to actual compete in the marketplace. They would rather have vaporware stay vaporware. If Apple had their druthers, no other mobile device would even be in existence.

You use a strange interpretation of "compete". Copying someone else's product is not "competing". Looks like Toshiba hired designers to create the Toshiba Thrive; that's competing. Samsung copying the iPad design isn't competing, it is a rip-off. Say you got a brand new TV and your neighbour steals it. And when you call the police he says you're just jealous because there is a nicer TV in his house than in yours.

 

[lewisdorigo]

OK, here's the real reason Apple is suing. They don't like the prospect of having to actual compete in the marketplace. They would rather have vaporware stay vaporware. If Apple had their druthers, no other mobile device would even be in existence.

http://9to5mac.com/2011/09/29/apple-vs-samsung-is-about-ecosystems-not-tablets-or-patents/

That article takes chunks of the original story out of context (which was already sensationalized quite a bit), and adds a link-bait title to boot.

Basically, what Apple is asking that the court proceedings are sped up (or a preliminary injunction granted), because if Samsung’s (allegedly) infringing product is allowed to sell, it would be to the extreme detriment to Apple’s business.

They argue that people who would otherwise of bought an iPad may buy a Galaxy Tab instead, and that they would then become part of the “Android eco-system”, with apps that wouldn’t won’t work on Apple devices, meaning they would be less likely to buy an Apple device in the future.

If Samsung’s Galaxy Tab is found to be infringing, but was allowed to sell until the court hearing, Apple could lose quite a bit of business.

On the other hand, if it’s not found to be infringing, and Samsung isn’t allowed to sell it, they’ll lose quite a bit of business.

The difference between the two is the eco-systems. Samsung has the Android eco-system, but that spans literally hundreds of manufacturers, so Samsung would probably not be losing future business if a preliminary injunction is granted — customers could buy their devices, being past customers of other manufactures that are still part of the Android eco-system.

Apple’s eco-system, though, is only Apple, and they would not only be losing business in the present, but also future customers, as they have been “seduced” into the Android eco-system.

It’s about protecting future business. Not about being scared to compete.