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Steve Jobs: USB 3 Not Taking Off At This Time

gorgeousninja said:
Steve Jobs might be many things but a moron is definitely not one of them, you'd have to be a real ass to think so.
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I do understand that your dogma makes it hard to see the bigger picture, but "moron" I would leave to you and not Steve Jobs. I did at no time say he was a "moron", what I said was does he think anyone who is not a follower of the Apple religion would think that just because he said so it was reality.

We are not in Sunday school so I don't think we have to believe what the prophet says to always be right. But I will explain it just incase you missed it.

What I said is that there are plenty of 3rd party equipment that now have USB 3 so the whole chicken and egg does not apply here. Steve is know for making things up and then having Apple come out with exactly what he said was not happening. or do you think the 11 inch Air does not look well similar to something that he said Apple was not interested in just last year.

I know he is good at marketing, personally he be a great politician if he wanted to he has the psychological profile to fit into that type of world. Read Snake in Suit.

PS: I for one think that he is a great asset to Apple but I do question his motives and his rhetorical spin, now that its all done with you can go back to your Apple IIe shrine, which was my first computer, life was simpler then, jaja.

Peace. :D
 
vsighi said:
I'll take Intel's Light Peak 10 Gb/S over USB 3.0. If you want to upgrade let's talk about LIGHT PEAK !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khPx1dEIPnA
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I for one drool over that technology, but I don't see anything like it coming any time soon, unless I missed some news.

USB 3 does the job for now, its not the future, just something we can use now.

Backward compatible unlike firewire so two thumb up.

Steve is just doing his marketing spin and we will see USB 3 soon enough unless they are really planing to finally put out "light peak". Now if they do that its going to be one wild ride for sure, I for one love to see Apple bring out something that leaps over everyone else.
 
Speedy2 said:
I have a link for you too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

USB 3.0 is mainly interesting for external hard drives. The offer in that area is not even close to 'insignificant'. To the contrary, it's abundant.
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And I counter with my own links.

http://www.amazon.com/Super-Talent-...8BU4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1288627081&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-2-5...office-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1288627027&sr=1-1

Only other things that I could see been of value is Video camera, but that will be sometime in the future, for now USB 3 is about external HD and Flash for the most part.

PS: http://www.ptgrey.com/usb3/#/flea3_...grey's_flea_3_usb_3.0_hd_digital_video_camera
New Camera with USB 3, not exactly for the masses but still.
 
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kiljoy616 said:
He is talking crazy again, medication to hight. Building a new gaming rig every motherboard has USB 3.0.

Flash with USB 3.0 are already out, external HD with USB 3.0 are out, get your fact right Steve. Camera I have not seen yet but have had no reason to think it will be that much faster to download pics with USB 3, maybe video but not pics.

Does he really think people can look this stuff up. :rolleyes:
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Ok, when the scale of whats available in 3.0 is anywhere near what is available (lets not even mention moving product) as 2.0 your argument may have a leg to stand on.

There are tons of 300+ hp cars available, that doesn't make them the norm the industry operates in. Until the tide of devices using 3.0 even comes close to the number of 2.0 in use your point is moot.
 
Torrijos said:
So you could put USB3 in all the mac you want, but user would still have a hard time finding products, corresponding to their needs, using the norm.
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I can go into Best Buy and Futureshop and have no problems in finding USB3 enabled devices - most, if not all, external hard disks.
 
TSX said:
He said the same thing about bluray, mac users wont see it until it becomes an industry standard.
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I still don't see a good use of BluRay except for movies, and looking at the way the industry is going, video streaming may eventually become more popular.
I watch a Hi-Def movie at a friend's house last night, and to my surprise it was a NetFlix stream and not BluRay as I thought!

For storage, it seems that it's cheaper and faster to use a Flash drive or portable hard drive.

Also, backups to BluRay are very slow as far as I know.

Don't get me wrong, if a MBP comes out with BluRay, I may eventually end up buying it anyways, but I won't be rushing to buy it.
The same goes for USB3. Remember Apple implemented FW800 very quickly, because they consider it important, and when you come to see, not everyone uses it. I'm sure that when Intel implements it on their chipsets we may start seeing some new Macs and MBPs implementing USB3.
 
Stella said:
I can go into Best Buy and Futureshop and have no problems in finding USB3 enabled devices - most, if not all, external hard disks.
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And that's the problem right there. As of right now 3.0 seems to be nothing but a one trick pony. No one is using it in other devices yet that matter to actual consumers rather than us tech nerds. Until then, its not going to be big.
 
DoFoT9 said:
even current USB3.0 competitors? i presume thats because they were using older technology i.e. controllers (which i assume is the bottleneck?).
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My Patriot XT is a USB 2.0 flash drive.

It's still faster than what I can get over 802.11n right now.
 
NT1440 said:
Ok, when the scale of whats available in 3.0 is anywhere near what is available (lets not even mention moving product) as 2.0 your argument may have a leg to stand on.

There are tons of 300+ hp cars available, that doesn't make them the norm the industry operates in. Until the tide of devices using 3.0 even comes close to the number of 2.0 in use your point is moot.
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If you use that argument on Bluetooth, then Apple shouldn't be offering BT on their computers either. Compared to other forms of wireless accessories, Bluetooth is the minority.
 
JeffDM said:
If you use that argument on Bluetooth, then Apple shouldn't be offering BT on their computers either. Compared to other forms of wireless accessories, Bluetooth is the minority.
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Bluetooth is far more than a one trick pony right now.
 
Steve Jobs said:
We don’t see USB 3 taking off at this time.
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Of course - it's the Apple way. They'll just do the same as they do with most other technologies. Wait until everyone else has had it for several years, then provide it for double the price and pretend it's a revolutionary new feature.
 
NT1440 said:
Ok, when the scale of whats available in 3.0 is anywhere near what is available (lets not even mention moving product) as 2.0 your argument may have a leg to stand on.

There are tons of 300+ hp cars available, that doesn't make them the norm the industry operates in. Until the tide of devices using 3.0 even comes close to the number of 2.0 in use your point is moot.
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but isnt USB 3.0 backwards compatiable?
 
NT1440 said:
Yes.

How does that change anything I said?
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Why does it matter how many USb 3.0 devices are out there? Why does there need to be the same amount of 3.0 devices as 2.0? They all have to start somewhere... right?

I mean it hasnt stopped firewire 800(maybe even 400?)... As a matter of fact, there are more USB 3.0 devices than firewire out there
 
dgree03 said:
Why does it matter how many USb 3.0 devices are out there? Why does there need to be the same amount of 3.0 devices as 2.0? They all have to start somewhere... right?

I mean it hasnt stopped firewire 800(maybe even 400?)... As a matter of fact, there are more USB 3.0 devices than firewire out there
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Why are any manufacturers going to drop the $$ to include 3.0 until there is enough demand for it?

You can't find 3.0 included in most computers right now, unless you go and buy your own motherboard or a computer from a very specific niche of the industry.

You need to have market share (or in apple's case mindshare) for consumers to care or be aware of of a product like usb 3.0, which goes way over the heads of the vast majority of such consumers.

Simply put, until 3.0 is prevalent in consumer devices besides computers thus requiring said computers to have 3.0, people aren't going to care or even know what usb 3.0 is.

Again I'd like to note I'm talking about consumers, meaning not computer nerds like us.
 
dgree03 said:
Why does it matter how many USb 3.0 devices are out there? Why does there need to be the same amount of 3.0 devices as 2.0? They all have to start somewhere... right?

I mean it hasnt stopped firewire 800(maybe even 400?)... As a matter of fact, there are more USB 3.0 devices than firewire out there
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Not to mention if Apple waits for USB3 to be as ubiquitous as USB2 is right now before shipping it, we're in for the long haul. USB2 is close to eol right now. Thank god Apple didn't wait to implement it.

How about implementing it when it's on the rise, not when it's on the decline ? :rolleyes:
 
NT1440 said:
Bluetooth is far more than a one trick pony right now.
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On computers, it's a few input devices and that's it. Sounds one-trick to me.

NT1440 said:
Simply put, until 3.0 is prevalent in consumer devices besides computers thus requiring said computers to have 3.0, people aren't going to care or even know what usb 3.0 is.

Again I'd like to note I'm talking about consumers, meaning not computer nerds like us.
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When it comes down to it, right now, I think I'd love to trade in FW800 for USB 3. Even fewer than nobody uses FW800 right now, and it almost can't be found at retail, except maybe Apple's store.
 
KnightWRX said:
Not to mention if Apple waits for USB3 to be as ubiquitous as USB2 is right now before shipping it, we're in for the long haul. USB2 is close to eol right now. Thank god Apple didn't wait to implement it.

How about implementing it when it's on the rise, not when it's on the decline ? :rolleyes:
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I have a feeling they're going to skip USB 3.0 entirely in favor of the technology they've been involved in making, Lightpeak.

Steve has made no mysteries about his stance on a "one cable to rule them all" philosophy.
 
Marx55 said:
Light Peak is the way to go. Hopefully it will allow Target Disk Mode (as now possible with FireWire on Mac).
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KnightWRX said:
The USB to Ethernet adapter is 10/100. MacBooks with RJ-45 ports offer 10/100/1000.

It's not a replacement, it's a compromise.
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It is worse than that. Remember USB 2.0 can only do data transfer in a single direction at a time. So base case those adapters are more like 50% speed but really worse than that because it has to keep flipping between the 2 different directions.
USB 3.0 allow for both and upsteam and a downstream data connection and I believe the RJ-45 ports can do that as well since 1 pear of wires is a down stream. Another pair is an upstream and last pear is a power.
 
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