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I believe intel stated that they were going to start release mother boards 1Q 2011 and they stated that a long time ago.
Sandy Bridge is for CES 2011 like past launches. There are plenty of motherboard leaks as well but it's hard to get solid USB 3.0 information.

It at least appears that the mobile side is getting USB 3.0 onboard while the desktop boards will require an additional controller. I'm sure NEC and friends don't mind that.
 
Steve Jobs wants to kill USB, wireless mouses and keyboards coming standard with Macs, then you'll see wireless sync as a standard for devices.
 
I fully support USB 3.0. What is Jobs talking about?

:D


I am finally seeing USB 3.0 devices and high-end laptops for sale, using an extra chip of course. I can see why Apple wouldn't put one in an MBA or 13" MBP, but, it should be cheap and easy now to put in an MBP.
 
Obvious Apple behavior

This isn't about Apple being behind the curve or simply that Intel isn't supporting it with it's own XHCI controller yet. Apple like to grind chip and part vendors down on their prices and makes them compete against each other to get better margins. This is a great business practice for them and is nothing new. With NEC being the only host controller game in town, they have no leverage. As soon as another reasonable XHCI controller hits the market, they'll jump in to the game. Is this really a surprise?
 
Apple is willing to feed its consumers what Apple wants them to buy. Core 2 seems to be enough to sate the masses with enough smoke covering elsewhere.

That is true. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw another round or two of C2Ds in the Macs you listed above. But someday, even those Macs have to be updated with something less outdated

I'm hoping that USB 3.0 is there.

Who isn't? :D

If the motherboards support USB 3.0, is it possible for Apple, to "remove" the USB 3.0 ports, without making the motherboard non-functional?

Of course. Apple could just use the USB 2.0 ports. E.g. the chipset in iMacs support up to 14 USB ports and 6 SATA ports but only 5 of those USBs are used (4 USBs + SD reader, I think) and 3 of those SATAs are in use (there are only three ports on the mobo).

And also, is it possible to "add" lightpeak ports on to the motherboards (I assume thats where they would be connected to) or would we have to wait for Intel to include it in their motherboards?

A discrete chip can be used, just like USB 3.0 is now.
 
Intel support aside, why would Apple want that ginormous port on the side of there shrinking devices. That appears to be twice as thick than your standard USB port.

The future belongs to a nearly portless, streaming, cloud based world.

USB 3.0 plug has exactly the same size as USB 2.0 and is backward compatible. So there is nothing to gain by sticking to USB 2.0 and a lot to loose (in bandwidth)
 
iPods, iPads, iPhones and even Mac Book Airs will never these kinds of ports. Not sure what the obsession is with them. Wireless streaming for all, that is what Apple wants and that is where Apple will take us. I tend to agree, wires are so last decade.

Side note: Thank you Lilio, based on the image I had no idea how large or small that USB 3 required.
 
With NEC being the only host controller game in town, they have no leverage. As soon as another reasonable XHCI controller hits the market, they'll jump in to the game. Is this really a surprise?
NEC isn't the only vendor. They do sell the most controllers though.

That is true. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw another round or two of C2Ds in the Macs you listed above. But someday, even those Macs have to be updated with something less outdated
I think the bigger question than USB 3.0 is what the heck is Apple going to to with it's Core 2 + nVidia lineup?
 
Intel support aside, why would Apple want that ginormous port on the side of there shrinking devices. That appears to be twice as thick than your standard USB port.

Is that why Apple dropped FW800 on some models -- aesthetics? USB 3.0 and FW800 are about the same. What's the big deal? Too bad Apple is kowtowing to Intel so much these days.
 
Is that why Apple dropped FW800 on some models -- aesthetics? USB 3.0 and FW800 are about the same. What's the big deal? Too bad Apple is kowtowing to Intel so much these days.
There was a time that I would drag up Target Disk Mode but on most of the new models you don't have a hard drive stuck in a Hellraiser puzzle box. SATA to USB external adapters aren't expensive either if you're that concerned in having hot access to data on a drive.

Gigabit Ethernet is becoming my big interconnect now.

I'm hoping that: USB 3.0, blu ray and HDMI are in the next gen Macs. Or, just a couple of Lightpeak ports... :rolleyes:
Just to be clear we were specifically discussing Intel's support of USB 3.0 on its chips.
 
I think the bigger question than USB 3.0 is what the heck is Apple going to to with it's Core 2 + nVidia lineup?

Indeed. If the rumors of C2D EOL are true, Apple must act pretty soon.

C2D + Nvidia is still a good choice for low power configurations.

It's sufficient today but when SB is released, C2D will be three generations old. That's quite pitiful for +1000$ computer.
 
There was a time that I would drag up Target Disk Mode but on most of the new models you don't have a hard drive stuck in a Hellraiser puzzle box.

Target disk mode is still wonderful, and, I just used it several times when working around and then repairing an older MBP.
 
Just to be clear we were specifically discussing Intel's support of USB 3.0 on its chips.

It was a joke...

But, yes I know what you are saying and I, throughout this thread have implied, and not explicitly said, that Steve doesn't like USB 3.0 (obviously via his comment) and is more in favour of Lightpeak (I have inferred this, as what else could replace USB 3.0 apart from Lightpeak - the only thing [that average consumers can use] that has the speed and asethetics.) In my last comment, I was trying to show that Lightpeak can replace, not just USB, but a majority of things and SJ likes simple (Look at the Macbook Air - just a few different ports, imagine the happiness of SJ's face when a MBA comes out, with 4 lightpeak ports and an audio in.)
 
I don't know anything about USB3.0, but I can tell you that I have never seen a USB3.0 port or cable, so I can definitely see where Steve is coming from. From the look of the picture, the USB3.0 port is twice as tall as 2.0... would that even fit on MacBooks? Definitely not the Air...
 
It was a joke...

But, yes I know what you are saying and I, throughout this thread have implied, and not explicitly said, that Steve doesn't like USB 3.0 (obviously via his comment) and is more in favour of Lightpeak (I have inferred this, as what else could replace USB 3.0 apart from Lightpeak - the only thing [that average consumers can use] that has the speed and asethetics.) In my last comment, I was trying to show that Lightpeak can replace, not just USB, but a majority of things and SJ likes simple (Look at the Macbook Air - just a few different ports, imagine the happiness of SJ's face when a MBA comes out, with 4 lightpeak ports and an audio in.)
I'm sure that Apple will be more than happy to include Light Peak peripherals on launch properly marked up to Apple's standard. Otherwise dongles, dongles everywhere.
 
The Reason is about SSDs

Apple is not gonna give you USB3 for the same reason they don't have e-sata sockets, and TRIM in the operating system. They wanna make you pay the Apple Tax for any and all flash memory through the proprietorial nose hose. Apple is a big military/industrial complex that wants all your money and your say so. No blame. Mac fanbois are sophisticated chumps. '-)
 
I'm with you on this. Apple might skip USB3 all together, just like Blu-ray.

Never going to happen. USB 3.0 is going to be incorporated into the core chipset. It will be as unavoidable as Intel IGP is in the current core i-series processors that Apple uses.

Lightpeak is NOT going to be incorporated into core chipsets for a long, long, long time; if ever. It is never going to be cheaper than USB 2.0 so it will never go into low end devices. USB sockets are not going away even if Lightpeak gets Firewire like adoption rates. USB 3.0 has probably reached its peak speed. It hard to pass FCC class B rules and go faster than where it is at now. Lightpeak will get increasingly faster. That will keep it out of core chipsets because its appetite for more and more (or faster and faster) PCI-e lanes will make it hard to put into a chipset and drive the costs down.





Lightpeak promisses to be much better and should become available in the next few months (as said by Intel). So why go to USB3?

1. It is less expensive for the peripheral vendors to impelment.
2. Ditto for system vendors.
3. It is already through 1st gen implementations and on 2nd gen next year.
4. It is backwards compatible with 100's of million (if not a billions ) devices that people already own.

5. The new, separate super speed USB bus makes it suitable many of the speed , low latency , and isochronous workload that Firewire is used for.

The issues where Lightpeak is "better" is.
a. speed. going over 5Gbps.
b. longer distances (if they do not saddle it with copper and power. That's a bonehead move. )

I don't buy the "does any possible protocol for almost free" sales pitch.


Apple is not about short term hype, they'd rather go for long term tech if you'd ask me.

Apple not about hype. That's a chuckle.

USB 3.0 is anything but hype. It is a update to a standard that was 8 years in the making and 2+ years in the deployment.

If anything is hype it is Lightpeak. By some reports it solves everything. It jumps over tall buildings in a single bound. It might even cure world hunger. .... A single plug for absolutely everything. ...... that's not hype ??????????????? Not even Intel, if you press them, says it is good for everything.

In future it is extermely likely you could endup witha Mac with both USB 3.0 and Lightpeak. Just like there are Firewire and USB sockets now. Right tools to the right job. Not everything is a nail so you always use a hammer.

In the greater than 5.0Gbps market, Lightpeak will be a dominate force (at least on mainstream commercial boxes). In the less than 2.0-3.0Gbps market, USB will very likely be the dominate force. USB 3.0 helps USB squeeze out FW and eSATA out of more places. For example, you'll see those USB/eSATA combo sockets fade from the market. The kind of drive interface performance folks were getting out of those sockets can be done without the non-standand combo. For really higher speed connections to larger, faster disk systems you may see lightpeak take more traction if the overhead and costs are affordable.


In the end they have to many different ports on one machine to be compatible to everything where Apple will have only a few ports for the (what they think of as) better long lasting technologies out there.

Apple is far more likely to kill off Firewire than toss USB . Lightpeak will likely squeeze out FW; not USB.
 
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