Steve Jobs: USB 3 Not Taking Off At This Time

Steve also said touchscreen iMacs or MBs aren't worth it, yet HP and Acer are two of a few companies with an all-in-one touchscreen computer, fully compatible with Win7.

They only keep saying those things because they want to sell out the current models for as long as possible.
 
At one time Apple was a leader in the computer industry, now they have to wait for a trend to develop so they can implement it too.

Macs need a way to connect external disk drives that is much faster than the native speed of the bare drive, so you can put several drives in the external box and connect with one cable.
 
Steve also said touchscreen iMacs or MBs aren't worth it, yet HP and Acer are two of a few companies with an all-in-one touchscreen computer, fully compatible with Win7.

and what are the sales numbers. Because it doesn't matter if there are 1000 touchscreen AIOs by other companies out there, if they don't sell.
 
Like Firewire?

Though I'm glad my Mac has Firewire, USB2.0 is too slow for external hard disk.

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USB 3.0 will take off:
* there's already quite a few hard disk enabled USB3 devices out there.
* USB3.0 will take off for (windows ) PC because there's nothing else faster that is mainstream than USB 2.0

Shame Apple aren't being proactive, but its not in their interest to support USB3...

are you all living under a rock? eSata has been out for YEARS, its bandwidth far exceeds that of any magnetic drive, this is obvious since esata and sata are pretty much the same thing, 1 is just on the outside. every mac is using sata channels and sata drives so dont say its not well established.

That is just ugly.

yes obviously the looks of a cable affect its functionality, your comment is probably the most useless so far

while we are on that, FW looks pretty stupid too :rolleyes:

firewire.jpg


Intel support aside, why would Apple want that ginormous port on the side of there shrinking devices. That appears to be twice as thick than your standard USB port.

The future belongs to a nearly portless, streaming, cloud based world.

im sorry other than being blue what the hell difference do you see that i dont? they are the same shape and size

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I don't know anything about USB3.0, but I can tell you that I have never seen a USB3.0 port or cable, so I can definitely see where Steve is coming from. From the look of the picture, the USB3.0 port is twice as tall as 2.0... would that even fit on MacBooks? Definitely not the Air...

yeah you really dont know anything about USB in general, see my above post

oh BTW SS USB laptops have been out since Jan this year... currently most asus netbooks and laptops will have at least 1 USB3.0, almost all HP Elitebooks 14+ and above have 2 (HP calls them Super speed usb ports and uses a black connector instead of a blue one)

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/03/asus-n82-and-n61-join-the-usb-3-0-laptop-party/
 
Why are we even talking about Light Peak?

Nobody here is against Light Peak. The reality however is that right now it's either USB 2.0 (Apple) or USB 3.0 (everybody else). Obviously USB 3.0 is better than USB 2.0 so, please, stop with these nonsensical excuses for Apple greed.
 
I fully support USB 3.0. What is Jobs talking about?

Very funny. Intel Corporation isn't driving USB 3.0. They are moving toward LightPeak.

http://techresearch.intel.com/ProjectDetails.aspx?Id=143

Light Peak Overview
Light Peak is a new high-speed optical cable technology designed to connect your electronic devices to each other. Light Peak delivers high bandwidth starting at 10Gb/s with the potential ability to scale to 100Gb/s over the next decade. At 10Gb/s, you could transfer a full-length Blu-Ray movie in less than 30 seconds. Optical technology also allows for smaller connectors and longer, thinner, and more flexible cables than currently possible. Light Peak also has the ability to run multiple protocols simultaneously over a single cable, enabling the technology to connect devices such as peripherals, displays, disk drives, docking stations, and more. . Light Peak components are expected to begin to become available to customers in late 2010, and Intel expects to see Light Peak in PCs and peripherals in 2011.


A Collaborative Effort
Intel is planning to supply the controller chip and is working with optical component manufacturers to make Light Peak components ready to ship in late 2010, and expects complete systems in 2011. Light Peak is complementary to existing I/O technologies, as it enables them to run together on a single cable at higher speeds. The Light Peak initiative builds on Intel’s commitment in working with the industry on existing I/O standards, and provides a path to continued progress into the future. Some industry perspectives include:

“Avid is impressed by the performance Intel Light Peak delivers, and believes it will enable workstation-level media creation on mobile for the first time.”
- Max Gutnik, Director, Audio Product Management, Avid Technology

“LaCie is excited to support the advancement of Intel’s ground-breaking Light Peak technology. The new interface promises to deliver superior performance that we believe will create a new class of even faster, higher capacity storage solutions to keep up with the explosion of digital media.”
- Erwan Girard, Business Unit Manager for Professional Solutions, LaCie

PDF Facts on Lightpeak that comes to the consumer in 2011.

http://techresearch.intel.com/spaw2/uploads/files/Intel Light Peak Interesting Facts_0610.pdf

I'm betting Apple delivers the first LightPeak systems with support for existing interfaces that slave off of it.
 
a moron that runs a billion dollar company with an iron fist.

how much is your computer company making, oh so much smarter one

i actually wouldn't really call him a "moron" however his skills at ripping off ignorant people are AMAZING. i have no doubt he will make his company tons of profit
 
SJ is a Moron according to you?

Apple will support it when Intel chipset's support it. That's my guess.

That said, Steve Jobs is a moron. They could be installing USB 3.0 right now with a 3rd party chip. They didn't have a problem with that in the PPC Macs.
And you have so much better judgement because...? What you say about others reflects more upon you than them.
 
Nobody here is against Light Peak. The reality however is that right now it's either USB 2.0 (Apple) or USB 3.0 (everybody else). Obviously USB 3.0 is better than USB 2.0 so, please, stop with these nonsensical excuses for Apple greed.
LP is great - its going to be a big player soon.

obviously USB3.0 is better, but USB3.0 probably has less of a market (currently) then firewire does. apple obviously does not see the benefits from the upgrade to usb3.0 when so little will benefit from it.
 
Ridiculous

I just went to buy a new LaCie external backup drive last week and the USB2 ones were all out of stock, and a batch of the identical model but with USB 3.0 had arrived... and were actually a little bit cheaper than the out of stock USB 2's. So to say it is "not taking off" is just idiotic.
 
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Very old news... Someone write and ask about blueray
 
Blu Ray is taking off, and is the preferable HD solution for many many people who suffer from 1MB or less broadband where downloading or even streaming is nigh impossible. You would think Steve is against selling more Macs.

USB3 could so easily be added to Macs without waiting for Intel. It's not like they don't have any other 3rd party chips in them.
 
You do realize that third party chips aren’t always a good thing right? The first generation third party USB 3.0 host adopters or some may say “hacks" have a lot of issues as expected with the first gen everything: like drivers, speed performance and so on. Many of them aren’t even using the full speed because they can only work in PCIe x1 slot......

.......Yes, we do care. We do not want a crappy controller that barely perform faster than USB 2.0. Stable 2nd gen controller is better to have in a laptop that cost $2K then a first gen controller.

Like an nVidia chipset in the Macbook, Macbook Pro, Macbook Air, iMac, and Mac Mini?
 
Apple is just being full of baba as per usual charging you arms and leg for outdated hardware... Nothing really new here :s

By the way does this Bruce guy really thinks he is working for Apple!?!?

Some truly strange people wonder about forums these days...

:D
 
SO, in typical fashion Apple remains behind the curse in certain technologies, but . . . . in typical fashion those that actually need such technology aren't going to wait around for Apple to deliver.

It sucks that the 15" MBP doesn't have Express Card, but the 17" MBP and Mac Pro can get USB 3.0 so some of us don't care that Apple isn't going to adopt it anytime soon.

I feel bad for the rest, but those that need it to make that bacon and eggs money have gotten already, or are going to be getting it soon.

And yes, this is old news, along with the BR issue.

Despite the hype around USB 3.0, the studies that I've seen show that FireWire800 is faster in real world situations. Just about all of us already have that, so it's a non-issue IMHO. I agree with Steve, I think it remains to be seen if it's going to take off.
 
LP is great - its going to be a big player soon.

obviously USB3.0 is better, but USB3.0 probably has less of a market (currently) then firewire does. apple obviously does not see the benefits from the upgrade to usb3.0 when so little will benefit from it.

less of a market? where did your brain go? or is apple.com the only place you shop at?

doing a quick search for USB 3 on newegg.com (ONLY 1 website out of the hundreds that are out there)

gave me 4000 results,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...A=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=usb+3&x=0&y=0

firewire search results came up to 631

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=firewire&x=0&y=0

who is more popular again?
 
Yeah, just what we need, another stupid-shaped cable that isn't compatible with anything, just like that idiotic FireWire 800.

Why can't they make a simple cable that looks like a jack, has 4 wires inside, and ONE size that fits all? No wrong way to connect it, cheap to make, compatible with everything.

Nooo, instead, lets make 3000 different kinds of cables, all with huge sizes and strange shapes with thick heads that disconnect each time you touch them. Oh and each cable type should also have 20 different sizes, that are impossible to find in shops and have to be bought off of eBay from some strange Chinese outlet. Try connecting your Nokia to your computer via USB. Impossible.
 
less of a market? where did your brain go? or is apple.com the only place you shop at?

doing a quick search for USB 3 on newegg.com (ONLY 1 website out of the hundreds that are out there)

gave me 4000 results,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...A=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=usb+3&x=0&y=0

firewire search results came up to 631

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=firewire&x=0&y=0

who is more popular again?

It does not matter. Steve Jobs said it's not taking off. That's all some people need to know. :D
 
less of a market? where did your brain go? or is apple.com the only place you shop at?

doing a quick search for USB 3 on newegg.com (ONLY 1 website out of the hundreds that are out there)

gave me 4000 results,

image-3160356-10521304
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=usb+3&x=0&y=0

firewire search results came up to 631

image-3160356-10521304
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=firewire&x=0&y=0

who is more popular again?
my brain is right here, thank you very much.

popular in the sense that the people who actually own the products, not the companies that sell them. there would be 100x more usb2.0 products then usb3.0, and i daresay there are more people who own firewire devices then usb3.0 (at THIS point in time). when demand is high enough, and there is evidence that usb3.0 actually WILL be the "winner" (over eSata (which apple have proper patents for), fw1600/fw3200 and LightPeak) then they will add support (once intel provides it).
 
How many times does it need to be said that the USB3 cable is identical to USB2.0 before people stop posting about it being bigger?:confused:

The square shaped end is the device end, the Type B connector.

Dolts
 
Steve Jobs wants to kill USB, wireless mouses and keyboards coming standard with Macs, then you'll see wireless sync as a standard for devices.

That is going to make it extremely difficult to use your USB Restore/Install/Rescue disk isn't it ?

Nobody is going build affordable, limited capacity USB Flash drives with Lightpeak any more than there are widespread flash drives that only connect with WiFi or Bluetooth.

Sure Apple is anti wires. Sure Lightpeak is the prefect vehicle to push the Apple Desktop connector (ADC) concept of building monitors that connect with as few cables as possible but are possibly compatible with most of the rest of the industry. If Intel gets even just a couple of folks to bite into Lightpeak that will be astronomically higher standards adoption than ADC got. However, there are a large number of devices that Lightpeak is not suited for. They do not have extremely high bandwidth requirements and are cost sensitive. There are lots of devices for which USB 2.0 is "fast enough" as it every is going to be (nobody is going to type 1,000 times faster in the future). There is an even larger set for which USB 3.0 is "fast enough".

For $800-1000+ peripherals.... sure Lightpeak will get deeper penetration. But where costs count more .... it has problems.
 
Steve is being an idiot.

USB 3.0 is simply better and should be implemented purely on that basis. A USB 3.0 port is also backwards compatible, so the whole "will my old stuff work" is irrelevant.

Hmm didnt realize it was backwards compatible.

Are the speed differences significant over 2.0?
 
LP is great - its going to be a big player soon.

obviously USB3.0 is better, but USB3.0 probably has less of a market (currently) then firewire does. apple obviously does not see the benefits from the upgrade to usb3.0 when so little will benefit from it.

Apple is just being full of baba as per usual charging you arms and leg for outdated hardware... Nothing really new here :s

By the way does this Bruce guy really thinks he is working for Apple!?!?

Some truly strange people wonder about forums these days...

:D

Bruce has evolved to the next step of koolaid drinking and brainwashing,
 
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