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Steve Jobs' Wall Street Journal Visit Reportedly Included Arguments Against Flash
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Out of curiosity and in all seriousness what is 'not bad' in performance? Not sure if one can quantify that but I am curious. Is that windows mobile 6 variant browsers btw?
2. Are they based on Firefox? Not to say people won't install a new browser, but for the majority of Android users I think they'll keep the default. That is my assumption, so I'll stick with Android runs a Webkit browser statement.
Its funny, when the iPhone came out the people who didn't want one had a number of reasons...its too expensive...dont like touchscreen...dont like apple...like my current phone yada yada....
But the only reason I hear people say they wont buy an iPad is because it doesn't support Flash. Not a good sign and none tech people are only aware of it because its in the mainstream press.
Personally I am not buying an iPad because of the lack of flash. I'm a bigfan, but its just pathetic that Apple wont support flash on the iPad. Epic fail.
Come on Apple sort it out, it pathetic!
Actually, I didn't want an iPhone because it didn't support MMS, copy and paste, video recording, or 3G. Once they released a device actually worth a damn, I bought one.
Don't know if it's true, but it's right
Since this is Valleywag, who knows what the Perez Hiltons over there got this story from. But whether it's true or not, it's true. I recently switched to Snow Leopard, and the difference is here that the plugins are all put in their little sandbox, and when they crash, Safari remains fine and the plugin reloads. So you see every instance where Flash is falling out. In the past, Safari would crash, or the plugin would limp along and you wouldn't be able to play a movie. I never used to be able to keep Safari open more than a day. It would just plug up. Now I know why.
If that sounds like Jobs being vindictive, maybe a little. It seems to me that some major developer will have an HTML 5 player and some CSS production tools pretty soon. And then we may see Adobe mend its ways.
How would this be for starters: instead of an overpriced suite of Adobe graphics programs being offered every two years with some minor improvements, release stuff when your programmers get good ideas. Charge a decent price for it, but don't bloodsuck. And yes, don't be lazy. Don't keep Apple waiting for 9 years for parity with Windows.
Since this is Valleywag, who knows what the Perez Hiltons over there got this story from. But whether it's true or not, it's true. I recently switched to Snow Leopard, and the difference is here that the plugins are all put in their little sandbox, and when they crash, Safari remains fine and the plugin reloads. So you see every instance where Flash is falling out. In the past, Safari would crash, or the plugin would limp along and you wouldn't be able to play a movie. I never used to be able to keep Safari open more than a day. It would just plug up. Now I know why.
If that sounds like Jobs being vindictive, maybe a little. It seems to me that some major developer will have an HTML 5 player and some CSS production tools pretty soon. And then we may see Adobe mend its ways.
How would this be for starters: instead of an overpriced suite of Adobe graphics programs being offered every two years with some minor improvements, release stuff when your programmers get good ideas. Charge a decent price for it, but don't bloodsuck. And yes, don't be lazy. Don't keep Apple waiting for 9 years for parity with Windows.
No, No, No.
Flash needs to die - any true web fan knows this. Adobe are lazy, arrogant and have done little to progress web development - indeed on numerous occasions they have attempted to hold back the development of open technologies example lately - http://ajaxian.com/archives/adobe-html5-standards-blocking-and-the-evil-of-the-private-backroom.
I really hope these newspapers do drop flash - it would be a huge message to the rest of the industry.
It's actually an excellent sign. No one in Apple's target audience, and, in fact, almost no one who doesn't work at Adobe HQ in San Jose, makes their buying decisions based on Flash. In fact, the average member of the iPad's target audience doesn't know the difference between Flash, Java, Internet Explorer, and their own elbow.
That's the old Flash player. Here's a report on a beta of the upcoming one...
http://gizmodo.com/5406488/flash-101-tests-hardware-accelerated-hd-hulu-and-youtube-video-yes-please
"I took the same [480p Hulu] Office clip I'd been using for all of the other tests and ran it on my Mac Pro at full screen (2560 x 1600) .Going from roughly 450% down to 190% (or a bit over 10% of total CPU utilization across 16 threads) made full-screen Hulu playable on my machine. In the past I always had to run it in a smaller window, but thanks to Flash 10.1 I don't have to any longer."
Fullscreen Hulu on 2560x1600. And that's the Mac version of 10.1, which doesn't have hardware acceleration. The current Windows version is already faster than the current Mac version, and the hardware accelerated Windows version will run circles around them all.
What still boggles my mind is that Apple pushed h.264 so hard in 2005 only to still be crunching playback on the CPU for the majority of video tasks under OS X.
You hop over to Windows or dare I say even Linux and you get a different story. Any slag with a Broadcom HD PCIe x1 or an Atom + ION system sure gets to enjoy their hardware.
h.264 grinds your CPU, not flash
It is h.264 grinds your CPU, Flash is merely decoding it in CPU. HTML5 will do the same crap. Unless h.264 is hardware accelerated it always be like it. Apple still figuring out how to implement it in 21 century, despite the fact it is available on Windows and Linux since 20 century. Talking innovators... or Apple is just "lazy". LOL.
It is h.264 grinds your CPU, Flash is merely decoding it in CPU. HTML5 will do the same crap. Unless h.264 is hardware accelerated it always be like it. Apple still figuring out how to implement it in 21 century, despite the fact it is available on Windows and Linux since 20 century. Talking innovators... or Apple is just "lazy". LOL.
But here is where the poster you replied to is right. He can't make an animation or game as easily with html5 as with Flash. For someone like him, losing Flash is a step backwards. How is a harder technology to use an advancement? How is dealing with tens of interpretations of a language ( just like with regular html ) going to help consumers/users/programmers.
I'd have no problem losing Flash if there was something to replace it with, but currently there isn't.
I agree there are many bad uses of Flash ( although I've never had crashes or issues ), but there are also many good sites that would be much harder to make and maintain with any other technology.
They will when they can't play any of their Facebook games. The cost to make those games iPad friendly might be too much for the few iPad users they would gain. Of course, if Apple sells millions and millions of these, then that's a different story, but it might be a chicken and the egg problem.
"Hey, get this iPad, it's perfect for someone like you that doesn't really need a computer. You only surf the web, right?"
"Oh great! Can I do all my Facebook stuff on it?"
"No ... but I'm sure a some point you will"
"No thanks, I'll stick to my laptop then."
No. This quote is from Apple CEO Tim Cook.
"We believe that we need to own and control the primary technologies behind the products that we make. ..."
That means NO FLASH... optimised or otherwise on iPhone OS. EVER. Unlike every other company that allows Flash onto their devices, Apple take full responsibility for the user experience, good or bad. It's not as if Apple are trying to replace it with a proprietary solution, but with open source. Thus, if the code is broken, Apple can go fix it rather than rely on a third party as is the case today.
Therefore, Flash is dead as far as the iPhone OS is concerned. So if the content providers want to reach those inside this particular "walled garden", they'll have to offer an alternative to Flash.
Apple audience would not know the difference for sure, but they will notice a Lego icon on their favorite sites and spread the world around about it. It will be interesting to observe how it will sell to iPad's target "Joe the Plumber" audience. Truly untapped resource, until now, but this is the folks you do not want to mess around with and they do have guns, lots of them.
So that's why flash runs perfectly on my MBP, and iMac right?
And is it a chance that it's not being released on the devices that have "app stores"
and why would apple say this on their website that someone has already stated?
"About Adobe Flash Player
The standard for delivering high-impact, rich web content. Designs, animation and application user interfaces are deployed immediately across all browsers and platforms, attracting and engaging users with a rich web experience.
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macos...ashplayer.html
Somehow maybe they forgot about this appraisal while Steve Jobs rallies against it."
Just pointing out that flash would threaten app store revenues. And since there is no app store on other Apple products, they let them run flash.
And honestly, I don't know how old your computers are, but I've never had a single problem with flash on my computers, and I only use Safari.
So, my love of web is being challenged by somebody who wants a piece of software dead.
<yawn> you would earn more money if you learned how to develop advanced flash sites </yawn>
Exactly. Try convincing a client that is used to seeing rich media websites (ie movie websites, gaming, etc) that the dev time of a website is going to roughly double (meaning they need to spend more money) and the end result won't be as impressive as it would be with Flash. Oh but it'll run on an iPad.
I hope the iPad dies, instead of Flash.
I have more "skin in the game" for Flash, and zero for the iPad.
Why people keep on posting this link is beyond me...
It just proves that whole HTML5 thing is crap!
I run MBP c2d 2.4 with 8600M + 10.5.8 + latest Safari...
THIS PAGE GIVES SPINNING BEACH BALL ON SAFARI AND IT DOESNT WORK!
I mean... LOL
Am I the only one in this forums that cant run that video!?!?!
That video is trash even on my PC.
I would love to know how all these HTML 5 pushers expect developers and artists to build anything without a tool comparable to Flash CS4. Or do they think they have a magic wand to create their content? Ignorant fools.
HTML 5 is a promising technology, but it's not ready yet. Microsoft isn't supporting it at all, and Opera, Mozilla, Google and Apple are pushing and fighting about different implementations (theora VS h.264). HTML 5 is currently a bag of hurt (pun intended).
HTML 5 is a promising technology, but it's not ready yet. Microsoft isn't supporting it at all, and Opera, Mozilla, Google and Apple are pushing and fighting about different implementations (theora VS h.264). HTML 5 is currently a bag of hurt (pun intended).
The kicker is that Adobe will end up releasing tools or build them into Dreamweaver so I can't really escape the Adobe hurt train. HTML5 is a great alternative for Flash video and a LOT easier to implement.
I remember trying out the red bull copilot website. It let you view multiple streams of video of the different planes, from cockpit view, wing cams, chase cams, all integrated with real time representations of the pilots instruments. You could follow how many Gs they were pulling, the altitude and speedometer, and you could see this running over a graph in real time comparing all the finalists. On top of that, you could turn pilot commentary (in synch with the video) on or off at any time.
As far as I know, that is not possible in anything but flash.
To those who don't want to see stuff jumping around, congratulations. Red Bull doesn't care about your viewership. The people who saw that race, and people who wanted to see it, loved that site. It brought massive traffic to red bull because it offered meaningful interaction with their event.
Try explaining to a client that you can't do this because Apple doesn't support flash. Watch how quickly your client says they don't care about Apple.
As far as I know, that is not possible in anything but flash.
To those who don't want to see stuff jumping around, congratulations. Red Bull doesn't care about your viewership. The people who saw that race, and people who wanted to see it, loved that site. It brought massive traffic to red bull because it offered meaningful interaction with their event.
Try explaining to a client that you can't do this because Apple doesn't support flash. Watch how quickly your client says they don't care about Apple.