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Steve Jobs' Wall Street Journal Visit Reportedly Included Arguments Against Flash

And PS: You can find Apple's official opinion on Flash, via their website:

About Adobe Flash Player
The standard for delivering high-impact, rich web content. Designs, animation and application user interfaces are deployed immediately across all browsers and platforms, attracting and engaging users with a rich web experience.

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/internet_utilities/adobeflashplayer.html


Somehow maybe they forgot about this appraisal while Steve Jobs rallies against it.
 
Flash needs to be fixed. Steve needs to chill.

Flash is a great interactive tool. It works. The player on the mac is buggy. Mine crashes a few times a day, even the new beta 10.1 version that Adobe says will solve all problems. Adobe needs to fix the flash player so it's not buggy and doesn't hog all the cycles.

Steve's tantrums evidence what Jeff Raskin once said, "He'd make a really nice King of France."
 
Your not alone

thetexan said:
Am I the only one who has no problems with Flash crashing my machine? I can't remember the last time my browser crashed on me, much less due to Flash. Sure I get annoyed at those dumb websites that use a ton of Flash but that's more a development issue than a Flash issue.
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I also haven't had any issues with flash. Is it a cpu hog? yes, but that's rarely an issue for me. I use Firefox, and I don't remember it crashing for flash, or for any reason recently (meaning the last 2 years).
 
I don't get why people are trying to say that the battery life issue isn't a big deal. It's a huge deal! If you tell me I can have an iPad with 10 hours of battery life but no flash or 2 hours of battery life with flash, I'd take the 10 hours! And I believe the AVERAGE consumer would agree with me.

The iPhone hasn't had flash for 2.5 years and Apple has still sold millions and millions of phone. People don't care! Sure, you have complaints here and there, but the AVERAGE person isn't worried about it. If people were really THAT concerned about it, they wouldn't be buying a phone that didn't support it.
 
xIGmanIx said:
Facebook isn't going to change because apple wants it to, more than likely, apple will change to support facebook.
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Facebook doesn't develop or maintain Farmville. How much Flash content do you find Facebook itself using?
 
I wonder if Steve Jobs really knows what he's talking about especially when he talks about technology. He's a great end-user but he never was an engineer.
 
YOU GUYS SHOULD GO AND READ ABOUT THIS ARTICLE ON GIZMODO...http://gizmodo.com/5475005/steve-jobs-flash-video-would-make-the-ipad-battery-life-15-hours

You'll see what THE REAL WORLD is saying about Apple not supporting flash. Of course everyone here "The Fan Boys" are holding up their Flash pitch forks.. but the rest of the Tech world is laughing at Apple.. and even some moderate Apple fans are turning against Apple.

You guys are sitting on this site a.k.a walled Apple Garden.. and crying about Flash.. but you'll see (once you get the crap out of your eyes) that Apple's boat on the subject is slowly sinking.

If Flash was really dying... Steve wouldn't have to go on a rampage about it. He knows he is losing this war to the rest of the Tech world.. and he's on his last leg. So he's come to insults and personally trying to persuade companies.

Sorry Steve.. YOU FAILED.
 
I make my bread and butter with Flash (eLearning, animation, graphic design) and other tools, but I agree that it's bloated and needs to be... refined. I agree with Job's assessment of Flash in the sense that Adobe is lazy and it is a resource hog. I know very little of HTML 5 but look forward to learning it. I would hope this doesn't "end" Flash but does kick Adobe in the a$$ to clean up their act. Competition will only benifit us, the consumer.
 
Marlor said:
Decimation refers to reducing something by 10%. If the iPad's battery life was "decimated", it would still be nine hours.

Decimation comes from Latin, meaning, literally "removal of a tenth". The word has its origins in the Roman practice of killing one in ten members of an army as punishment.

Please, people, use this word correctly. Its original meaning is perfectly clear just by reading it. Don't they teach Latin in schools these days?
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AAMOF, no,they don't teach Latin in schools these days. Besides, who elected you to be the forum grammar police. Lighten up. You seem to be taking a cue from Jobs--Mr. control freak.
 
AndyR said:
I find it kind of embarrasing now that Apple pushes the whole "it just works" slogan......

Oh wait.....disney.com / farmville / nick jr / nytimes etc etc....

"it doesn't work" :confused:
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On the Mac those sites work just fine. The Mac is the only device that I know of that Apple touts, "Just works".
 
bnerd said:
YOU GUYS SHOULD GO AND READ ABOUT THIS ARTICLE ON GIZMODO...http://gizmodo.com/5475005/steve-jobs-flash-video-would-make-the-ipad-battery-life-15-hours

You'll see what THE REAL WORLD is saying about Apple not supporting flash. Of course everyone here "The Fan Boys" are holding up their Flash pitch forks.. but the rest of the Tech world is laughing at Apple.. and even some moderate Apple fans are turning against Apple.

You guys are sitting on this site a.k.a walled Apple Garden.. and crying about Flash.. but you'll see (once you get the crap out of your eyes) that Apple's boat on the subject is slowly sinking.

If Flash was really dying... Steve wouldn't have to go on a rampage about it. He knows he is losing this war to the rest of the Tech world.. and he's on his last leg. So he's come to insults and personally trying to persuade companies.

Sorry Steve.. YOU FAILED.
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+1

He always disses what he doesn't currently provide in his products. Eventually, all the things he gripes about, end up eventually in Apple products.
 
&Ingonyama said:
I think the only people against this are angry flash developers who are worried they will lose their jobs or might actually have to learn how to build a real website.

Good riddance Flash.
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This is laughably naive. I am certainly not a developer, but I do look at marketing data from time to time, and I can tell you, that Flash is alive and well, and used more frequently than ever.

Seriously, nobody cares about the 2% users without Flash. Nobody! Judging by some of the posts here, most of the Flash "haters" work in a backroom somewhere, and think that bashing Flash makes them cool and different, and chicks dig it. Nope. Not true guys. You sweat, but nobody notices :D
 
coolwater said:
I wonder if Steve Jobs really knows what he's talking about especially when he talks about technology. He's a great end-user but he never was an engineer.
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Well, Flash works perfectly on a PC. As for Mac...... It may not be optimized enough to support Flash.

Generally speaking, I feel that his rationale is only an excuse to prevent Adobe games/apps from appearing on the iPhone/iPad. That will cut down Apple revenue dramatically.

Adobe Flash 10.1 will soon be released for mobile phones (except iPhone). We shall very soon see how it doesn't impact much on the battery life of these phones (which we will see otherwise on an iPhone). When this happens, it only means something - Mac OS.
 
RADumas said:
Flash is a great interactive tool. It works. The player on the mac is buggy. Mine crashes a few times a day, even the new beta 10.1 version that Adobe says will solve all problems. Adobe needs to fix the flash player so it's not buggy and doesn't hog all the cycles.
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Well, the problem isn't so much the player itself but the fact that they've more or less built a tiny operating system which is often crashed by buggy code written by stressed-out Flash content developers who have been given too much freedom too quickly. It has grown from a fun little thing for creating glorified GIF animations to a full blown application platform. ActionScript has grown at an exponential rate over the last few iterations.

When crummy freeware and shareware crashes on OS X, I don't blame Apple for building a buggy operating system. The problem here is that when content crashes Flash, it brings the browser down with it. Adobe could do a better job of containing the damage within Flash itself, but I don't think they can stop content creators from releasing stuff that hasn't been tested with the same kind of scrutiny that 'real' software would be subjected to.
 
No Flash 10 for mobile

The Flash discussion has been done to death. Apple has clear reasons why they don't want flash. Time will tell wether it is in the shareholders' best interest.

I would like to remark that Flash 10 isn't available on any mobile platform. There are some betas but that's it. There is no use in argueing against vaporware.
 
The new Flex 4 SDK for Mobile platforms will be a very lightweight version geared towards Mobile platforms so yeah I agree it would be mad to use the current SDK for mobile. But Adobe are working on it and I have Faith in them they have a good team trying hard and are bringing some amazing tech to the industry.

CaptRoddick said:
I make my bread and butter with Flash (eLearning, animation, graphic design) and other tools, but I agree that it's bloated and needs to be... refined. I agree with Job's assessment of Flash in the sense that Adobe is lazy and it is a resource hog. I know very little of HTML 5 but look forward to learning it. I would hope this doesn't "end" Flash but does kick Adobe in the a$$ to clean up their act. Competition will only benifit us, the consumer.
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ELScorcho9 said:
I don't get why people are trying to say that the battery life issue isn't a big deal. It's a huge deal! If you tell me I can have an iPad with 10 hours of battery life but no flash or 2 hours of battery life with flash, I'd take the 10 hours! And I believe the AVERAGE consumer would agree with me.
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Sure, but we're talking about fake numbers here. The funny thing is, Steve doesn't know, since there is no flash on the iPhone/iPad. It's entirely just Steve's reality distortion field.

My iPod touch is advertised as getting 6 hours of video playback, but I can't even play a game for 2 hours without having to plug it in. That iPad will not get anywhere near 10 hours on anything remotely taxing.
 
who really cares what jobs thinks, Android is going to take over the market share of smart phones, so most smart phones will be running flash.

And I'm not too worried that the giant itouch will not have flash, as my mac computers run flash perfectly without any "crashes"

Are people really that stupid to see that the only reason apple is against flash is because it would kill their revenue from the app store games?
 
Runthefour said:
I would like to remark that Flash 10 isn't available on any mobile platform. There are some betas but that's it. There is no use in argueing against vaporware.
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I would like to remark that the iPad isn't available for purchase. There's no arguing against a device you can't buy. ;)
 
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