Right. It's flash developers and flash consumers which makes it about 99% of all population (excluding SJ and some Apple zealots).
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Right. It's flash developers and flash consumers which makes it about 99% of all population (excluding SJ and some Apple zealots).
No Flash?
No Worries...
I'll Never Notice!
I run with Flash, and plugins in general, turned OFF.
This greatly improves the web browsing experience.
Almost all of the stuff delivered by Flash is advertising and useless glitz.
Get PithHelmet so you can turn plugins and such on/off by domain.
Works great.
Spirit of our Ancestors.
No Worries...
I'll Never Notice!
I run with Flash, and plugins in general, turned OFF.
This greatly improves the web browsing experience.
Almost all of the stuff delivered by Flash is advertising and useless glitz.
Get PithHelmet so you can turn plugins and such on/off by domain.
Works great.
Spirit of our Ancestors.
A good point, but for the moment, H.264 license fees are only paid by companies that make products that incorporate H.264 capability (like Apple). End users are exempt from license fees through at least 2015.
http://www.mpegla.com/Lists/MPEG LA News List/Attachments/226/n-10-02-02.pdf
Flash CS4's IK is amazing. don't forget about Actionscript 3 and native communication with the other creative suite apps.
ouf! them's fight'n words!
please show us all your "real" website.
Sounds like your battery is getting near the end of its life. I use my iPod Touch extensively for real things as well as games, reading and music. I only plug it in every few days to charge it. If you don't want to pony up for Apple's official battery replacement look into one of the third party solutions. This will save you a lot of angst. I just replaced the battery on my laptop and it's wonderful having the full time available again.
I think everyone forgot to mention that Flash 10.1 is now Carbon based so it's using Apples API's and as such if you check the current benchmarks you will find CPU usage has dropped nicely and graphics performance.
Oh and FYI straight from the Horses mouth:
Windows/Mac/Linux: Adobe is offering up a "prerelease" of its inescapable Flash software, adding in GPU acceleration for H.264 video in Windows, multi-touch support, and bug fixes. Anyone with Adobe AIR apps can also grab a 2.0 prerelease of that platform.
I'm sure H.264 will come to Mac soon enough.
Flash needs to die, it's the IE 6 of today. No one company should control the standard for video on the web. For gaming it amazes me how you can argue for Flash - where is the mouse and keyboard, or the damn mouseOver event on my iPhone?
Flash on mobile makes me laugh. Say, what web browser dominates the smartphone space - Webkit. Blackberry(soon), Android, and iPhone all use Webkit. That leaves the odd Opera phone and uhm that other tech company's non-standard browser.
Flash has it's place (desktop), it should just be secondary when no other option is left, not the first - imo it's clearly a tech on the decline with little upside due to non open standards. If I was a flash dev I'd consider getting some additional skills.
Flash on mobile makes me laugh. Say, what web browser dominates the smartphone space - Webkit. Blackberry(soon), Android, and iPhone all use Webkit. That leaves the odd Opera phone and uhm that other tech company's non-standard browser.
Flash has it's place (desktop), it should just be secondary when no other option is left, not the first - imo it's clearly a tech on the decline with little upside due to non open standards. If I was a flash dev I'd consider getting some additional skills.
I agree.
Especially considering all those problems he described can be attributed to Apple's Aperture 3 release. If your going to preach, make sure your own house is in order.
You don't think they've tested out flash on a mobile platform at any time over the past several years? I think they've had to at one point. Doesn't necessarily mean anyone will ever see it, but I'm sure somewhere in an Apple lab they've tested it.
Seriously, I think if Apple really thought they could run flash efficiently on the iPhone or iPad, they'd do it. It'd be in their best interest. But they would not just abandon it and step away from it all just cause they can and wanna see if everyone will follow. Obviously they make decisions based on what they think will be best for them and their customers and shareholders and whatever and so far, they don't seem to be doing too bad.
Here is the reality of it.
Windows based computers have about 991230913701293812039 exploits.
OS X and beyond has had only a handful and they are fixed. The Windows world is a constant cycle of exploit and patch and its not going to end.
I use my mac to clean windows systems. I use my mac to visit exploited web sites that have screwed Windows boxes and files get downloaded and do . . .nothing.
Us Mac guys are snooty because our **** works. . . . and thats not going to change either.
Where are you getting this stuff from? the SDK is open source so it has to Compile the application into a SWF but so does Java for use with their VM, it's no different the the App you install in windows or OSX! And I don't see Companies being able to Develop cross platform applications with what Apple or Microsoft have to offer and Seeing as Windows rules the nest I think it's the other way around my friend.
Flash/Flex/AIR are greatly on the rise and theres nothing out there that will compete with them, by the time HTML 5 and the likes of JQuery catch up Flash will have advanced by a few generations lol.
They will play catchup forever with a tech that has been arround for too long and has too many followers.
HSBC / Barclays / BBC and a million other massive companies (Including Microsoft) use Flash on their sites and are working on massive Scale AIR/Flex projects just look up Adobe consulting and check out the cross platform projects they are working on.
The death of flash
As a web developer I do not use flash at all. I have always hated pure flash sites and any partial flash is just ads that are annoying. As for hulu and others that use flash they should migrate to silverlight or to a copyright protected quicktime format.
But flash is dead and I personally wish it had died many years ago.
As a web developer I do not use flash at all. I have always hated pure flash sites and any partial flash is just ads that are annoying. As for hulu and others that use flash they should migrate to silverlight or to a copyright protected quicktime format.
But flash is dead and I personally wish it had died many years ago.
I love this logic, it' too easy. So to sum up here, if Apple's real motive is to get you to buy games on the App store instead of free Flash on Android where are the developers going to go? That's right, dev's like to make money not crapfreeware. The more dev's in the app store the more games/apps there will be. The less dev's on android means less games/apps in the 'Droid store. Hmmm, world domination indeed. Maybe you're onto something, but you're conclusion regarding Android dominance through this logic is not one of them.
btw, Android runs webkit, so flash should run as crappy on Android as it does on Safari. That'll be a lovely experience and I'd I love to hear the counter to it. Flash sucks on Safari bodes very badly for flash on Android. Unless Google truncates Webkit you already know the outcome for flash.
Totally agree.
And the question that nobody is answering is, what HTML5 brings that is really new?
All the anti-Flash comments are just going on about replacing Flash, but there is nothing about providing greater capabilities. All the other technologies Apple has been able to drop like floppies has replaced by something that offered something better.
There are some video performance issues, which are largely down to Apple's refusal to offer api support for hardware decoders anyway. Why would Adobe commit resources when Apple won't meet them anywhere on the middle ground?
Adobe have supported Apple for a long time but, while there are a significant number of Mac users, it would make sense for Adobe to concentrate more on building it's Windows user base for the creative apps. I can't see that being in anyway good for the Mac as a platform.
It doesn't make sense for a company like Adobe to put much effort into a platform where the leading voice is so explicitly unsupportive.
Also agree with the comment above, outbursts like this, and things like alientating partners like Google, ranting about how Google is out to kill the iPhone and This ‘don’t be evil mantra’ it's crap as reported from the internal meeting recently show Jobs acting more desperate than strategic.
What if he starts slagging off Intel? Already using their own chips. Who is going to be Apple's partner in the tech world then? Indeed, how long before Steve starts throwing chairs
Still, I am sure Apple can cosy up to all those movie, music and print media companies and their legions of hobbiest iPhone programmers.
Or just start building bridges rather than trying to set them on fire.
yes, I made that exact point a while back. It's the whole trojan horse thing that was pulled with mp3. Once that tech took off, the lawsuits over licensing started. Check MPEG LA's press releases. Almost all of them are suing people/companies over licensing.
It's been made very clear from Adobe and Apple that Steve does not want that tech on iPhone/iPad. Go to the flash download page with an iPhone/iPod touch to see a quick explanation.
Apple is doing well, I'll admit. But they are most certainly pushing out flash in order to help sell iTunes video content.
You can go to any part of the video without restarting it ? WoW
People check this link, this is the answer
http://jilion.com/sublime/video
I hope this is in beta. It overwhelmed my system and crashed Safari.
Yes, as it does for me at least once a week. Meanwhile my MBP is hot enough to prepare bacon.
It seems to me that Flash was designed with the idea in mind that most computers will remain desktops, and CPU chips will increase in speed enough to offset the high CPU usage. What was overlooked was the strong move to laptop portables and the emergence of smaller portable devices: Smart phones, and Ipod Touch, which need to conserve their tinier battery lives.
Why people keep on posting this link is beyond me...
It just proves that whole HTML5 thing is crap!
I run MBP c2d 2.4 with 8600M + 10.5.8 + latest Safari...
THIS PAGE GIVES SPINNING BEACH BALL ON SAFARI AND IT DOESNT WORK!
I mean... LOL
Am I the only one in this forums that cant run that video!?!?!
Seems so. I just opened it up and it was available to run instantly.
Was impressive how fast it was able to load and be able to watch a video. Stunningly fast compared to any flash I have ever used.
1. Flash performance does not depend on the browser's rendering engine. Flash performance on Windows webkit browsers is not bad.
2. You can get non-web kit browsers for Android.
Its funny, when the iPhone came out the people who didn't want one had a number of reasons...its too expensive...dont like touchscreen...dont like apple...like my current phone yada yada....
But the only reason I hear people say they wont buy an iPad is because it doesn't support Flash. Not a good sign and none tech people are only aware of it because its in the mainstream press.
Personally I am not buying an iPad because of the lack of flash. I'm a big
fan, but its just pathetic that Apple wont support flash on the iPad. Epic fail.
Come on Apple sort it out, it pathetic!
But the only reason I hear people say they wont buy an iPad is because it doesn't support Flash. Not a good sign and none tech people are only aware of it because its in the mainstream press.
Personally I am not buying an iPad because of the lack of flash. I'm a big
fan, but its just pathetic that Apple wont support flash on the iPad. Epic fail.Come on Apple sort it out, it pathetic!
I've been waiting since 2005 and the first mentions of h.264 hardware acceleration in the then next generation GPUs.
It's nice to see someone else picked up on the Intel bit.
Reports like this really aren't necessary. It's not like these people don't discuss these things, or have their own opinions on what should be used in the future.
I for one have resorted to ClicktoFlash and haven't looked back. It's a better, quieter, smoother experience. At this stage in the game we need to be looking at better technologies like CSS Ajax and html5 to promote a faster and more seemless internet. Content based on proprietary plugins should not be a standard anywhere.
I for one have resorted to ClicktoFlash and haven't looked back. It's a better, quieter, smoother experience. At this stage in the game we need to be looking at better technologies like CSS Ajax and html5 to promote a faster and more seemless internet. Content based on proprietary plugins should not be a standard anywhere.