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Apple provides support for 3rd party apps? This is news to me. Although I do agree that apple seems to have a certain disdain for advanced or even medium users.

And yes, actually I have provided assistance to many seniors for the use of windows and such.

I teach a weekly class at my local senior center. While some have trouble, many are able to pull photos from their cameras to their computer using traditional file systems (windows explorer).
If you think one minute further, you'll understand.
If Apple would accept 3rd party apps, that change the basic core of user experience, they would have to start making them by themselves, otherwise they couldn't control or develop the core of the user experience of their most important product.

And yes, those seniors learn things when you teach them.
But this is exactly what Apple wants to avoid.

When apple-products were for nerds, professionals and other devoted hobbyist, apple could easily tell them RTFM, nowdays they can't do it anymore...
 
If you think one minute further, you'll understand.
If Apple would accept 3rd party apps, that change the basic core of user experience, they would have to start making them by themselves, otherwise they couldn't control or develop the core of the user experience of their most important product.

And yes, those seniors learn things when you teach them.
But this is exactly what Apple wants to avoid.

When apple-products were for nerds, professionals and other devoted hobbyist, apple could easily tell them RTFM, nowdays they can't do it anymore...

I guess I just disagree with their ideology. I'd always go for freedom and flexibility.

Regarding iOS products, I would argue that many more tech savvy users still choose iOS products for their build quality and battery life. While this 'user experience' is often touted as the main strength of apple products, I lean towards build quality and battery life as my main reason for liking iOS. Its more so the integration of iOS with the hardware itself than the actual os that does it for me. I doubt I'm alone here.

A little more effort for the more advanced user would go a long way for apple.
 
Perhaps, some of these questions have already been answered before. FYI, I have a 3GS and have been waiting for a larger screen to debut on the iPhone (since I really don't want to go to Android and live separate mobile lives)...but:

1 - Why is it so difficult for Apple to design/accept a larger screen size for the iPhone? We have an iPad, with a different resolution that conforms to the 'amazing, mystical' retina requirements (e.g. ppi, etc). Then, their are rumors of the iPad 7". So, hey, we can go 7"! ;)

Also, why would a 'taller' iPhone settle this argument? Wouldn't that create totally non-proportional resolutions, and make things worse for app developers, etc.?

2- Maybe this is a simpler bullet, but Angry Birds (for example) is on every fricking smartphone...of every screen resolution, ppi, display size, etc...in the Android world, for instance. It's on iPad 10" and will be on iPad 7"...so...what is the issue? What am I missing? (Seriously, I plead ignorance on this; so can anyone explain it, in brief?).

3 - Yes, I have heard the 'I don't care' remark about the screen size (perhaps they use their iPads more for 'larger screen' tasks and therefore don't care?). Fine...make a SMALLER phone for them (some even say that! :)) and make a second iPhone, like the rumored iPad 7" as the alternative to the 10"...there IS a market for that, and they need to use it. Every phone coming out is larger for a reason. The market demands it.

Samsung has how many models? LG? So, come out with an iPhone that is 4.5"+ and keep the damn 3.5" for those that don't care or want it small.

I have seen the light with the Samsung Note. (5.3" screen size)..it's pretty much the largest that I could use as a phone. Great...so that has been determined, the race is over for 'who can make the largest thing they call a phone'. In fact, it's a little too large (but, good for NBA players!)...so i'd say 4.5-4.8" is optimal, and I ~might~ try a 5" if it was compact (no bezel, thin).

4" screen is not enough...'tall' proportion is not acceptable (and again, how is it helpful to proportionality/aspect ratio?). If Apple does this, it will be 5+ years before they change it again...and by the end of this year, myself and others will be making a big choice on whether to move to android -phone-wise.

Apple...4.5"+ or bust! The market is demanding it!

Apple is going to do what they think is best for the company. If they think 3.5" screen is what's best for the company, that's what they're going to do.

Please don't pretend you know anything about the business side of releasing a product. If you did, you would have been the one to establish a multi-billion dollar company. But you didn't, because you lack a lot of knowlege. Apple will not be releasing a 4.5" screen and anyone with a half working brain would be able to tell you that. Apple is known for being simple and they would never make a jump from 3.5" - 4.5". That would be a terrible decision. They've established themselves as a company, and even if they release another 3.5" screen, they are going to shatter sales records, once again.

If you want a big screen, purchase an Android device. The SG3 might suit your needs more than the iPhone.
 
In a way, I kind of view Apple the way many see Rolex, and in that regard, for many years the watch industry was turning towards bigger and bigger watches, bringing about many new sales... yet, Rolex refused and stuck to their original case designs, that while decades old brought them much success.

Eventually the gave into the pressure of the market and enlarged the size of their watches. However, they did so with at least some reservation.

My guess is while Apple may understand a demand for a larger screen, they also know where they came from and what got them here. Going from 3.5" to 4" would mean little in terms of case dimensions, but to go to 4.5" or more would require a very dramatic increase in overall phone size.

What I'm saying is, I could see a 4", but nothing larger, and to be perfectly direct, I more imagine them staying with 3.5" with future releases.
 
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Statements:
1) The new iphone that Apple will release somewhere in between the next few months, will revolutionalize the mobile industry, the way the first iphone did. Apart from the "regular" updates it will receive, it will introduce a new kind of "concept".
2) Apple is preparing for its biggest release ever with many surprises on the opening day. Steve Jobs was working for at least two years on the concept of iphone "5". It is rumoured that Apple will introduce the new Facetime by broadcasting a direct feed of a prerecorded Steve Jobs video message. Steve Jobs will introduce the iphone 5 concept and pay his final "tribute".

Step away from the hookah, sir. You've had too many tokes.
 
If they announce the iPhone 5 via video of a now deceased Steve Jobs the reaction by investors would be one of shock and disgust.

This is a multi-billion dollar corporation, not a circus sideshow.
 
Surely the poster wasn't being serious. Then again there are s few freaks populating these boards.

I honestly believe certain people do indeed feel a sort of kindred spiritual attachment to Steve Jobs, and through that feel Apple products are more than just modern electronic devices, but nearly physical manifestations of their own personal religious emotions.

The desire to have the next iPhone bring about such unbelievable advances in mobile technology, reinforcing their own interpretations of Apple devices.

To have him raise from the dead, even if only through an application like facetime, creating an even more obvious parallel to Christ...

Yes, it doesn't surprise me at all that some might really expect this to take place.
 
Apple is going to do what they think is best for the company. If they think 3.5" screen is what's best for the company, that's what they're going to do.

Please don't pretend you know anything about the business side of releasing a product. If you did, you would have been the one to establish a multi-billion dollar company. But you didn't, because you lack a lot of knowlege. Apple will not be releasing a 4.5" screen and anyone with a half working brain would be able to tell you that. Apple is known for being simple and they would never make a jump from 3.5" - 4.5". That would be a terrible decision. They've established themselves as a company, and even if they release another 3.5" screen, they are going to shatter sales records, once again.

If you want a big screen, purchase an Android device. The SG3 might suit your needs more than the iPhone.

If they think a 3.5" screen is best for their company, then fine. I am not asking them, I am asking/lamenting to those on this forum. Frankly, I do not see why having 2 different iPhones would be detrimental to Apple, since they are supposedly going with a 7" and 10" iPad.

Your reply is snarky and insulting, by the way. Please don't pretend you KNOW who I am and do not insult me with your lack of spelling (knowledge). How do you know, that I do not know the 'business side of releasing a product', and that I 'lack a lot of knowledge'. That is simply moronic, so save it for the actual morons that you reply to (with lack of substance).

Unless you work for Apple (and are divulging information), you do not know what they are going to 'jump to' (3.5" to 4.5") or would ever release. What logic is that? How would it be a 'terrible decision'? You once again, give no rationale, so it reads as another insult.

Yes, I know they are known for being simple and design their UI and products as such. YES, I know the rumors are not circulating around a 4.5" screen, and it has been like pulling teeth for folks to settle on just the 4"/tall screen rumor.

Yes...'they've established themselves as a company'...great.

If they don't go larger, then a lot of people will feel the pull towards larger screens. And the the S3 and Note and HTC and etc, etc will be stealing sales. They can keep the phone dimensions relatively small. Heck, I liked the 3GS feel more than the iPhone4/4S, and they changed that (minor, but still not as slick).

Sure, they will sell iPhones, but if you look at the market today it's larger screen sizes. This is not a fad or a novelty, it has a lot of practical value. There are a lot of folks that say 'I don't want android, I don't want a gigantic phone or tablet to lug around...but, for the love of ___ just make an in-between screen size that is user friendly for those that utilize the phone in such a way.

Again, this is why I suggest (along with others) perhaps two iPhone models. Then we could see what sells.
 
Step away from the hookah, sir. You've had too many tokes.

Indeed some hookah is being used from time to time, sir. Aside from that, I am basically entertaining myself :) Seriously though, if Apple introduces only incremental updates to the iphone 5 it will send away a considerable number of tech savvy consumers who now demand more and more innovation, more and more seamless function, regardless of screen size. And they have been waiting for a "true" update for too long now.
 
Step away from the hookah, sir. You've had too many tokes.

President Obama Supports Full Marriage Equality

This announcement shows great courage from our president,
while Romney is trying to explain his bullying of gay students.

Yeah, I think YOU need to step away from the hookah, sir. Why the snipe at Gov. Romney? Did you read the entire WaPo hitjob article? It was lame, inaccurate (according to both parties) and no indication that this was something he did to this person over and over -as a bully would. It was mostly accounts of him playing high school pranks, like many other people who have ever been to high school.

What about President Obama's 'bully' story (that HE wrote about himself)?

What about the fact that it has NOTHING to do with what party or ideology you lean towards (since, many black voters who voted for Obama are against gay marriage/disapprove of homosexuality...i.e. prop9 in CA)?

His 'announcement' had nothing to do with anything, except trying to score political/social agenda votes in an election year. He could have done this years ago. He could have said he was all for it years ago. He flip-flopped (oh wait...no, he 'evolved'!) since he was 'for it' in the 90s, then he wasn't when he was running for election(s) over the next decade. He doesn't 'support' anything unless he DOES something...and he has done nothing on the subject except say what other moderates, non-progressive Dems, GOP and libertarians have been saying...leave it to the states to decide. So, where do you get 'courage' from, where is the legislation?

Newsweek has him as the 'first gay president'...the New Yorker has him on their cover as 'the first Jewish president'. The leftist media is bamboozling you. Seriously, please understand what you are reading and who is feeding you information, before you bash or snipe at the other side.

I apologize to MacForums for the rant, but this person's signature is just plain disturbing.
 
I'm all for a 4" screen iPhone as long as A) the device doesn't get any bigger (Or much bigger at the very least) and B) the screen aspect and resolution doesn't change because the last thing we need is another screen resolution to work with for developers.

Just don't make a 5" iPhone or a 7" iPad because that's just braindead stupid.
 
If they think a 3.5" screen is best for their company, then fine. I am not asking them, I am asking/lamenting to those on this forum. Frankly, I do not see why having 2 different iPhones would be detrimental to Apple, since they are supposedly going with a 7" and 10" iPad.

Your reply is snarky and insulting, by the way. Please don't pretend you KNOW who I am and do not insult me with your lack of spelling (knowledge). How do you know, that I do not know the 'business side of releasing a product', and that I 'lack a lot of knowledge'. That is simply moronic, so save it for the actual morons that you reply to (with lack of substance).

Unless you work for Apple (and are divulging information), you do not know what they are going to 'jump to' (3.5" to 4.5") or would ever release. What logic is that? How would it be a 'terrible decision'? You once again, give no rationale, so it reads as another insult.

Yes, I know they are known for being simple and design their UI and products as such. YES, I know the rumors are not circulating around a 4.5" screen, and it has been like pulling teeth for folks to settle on just the 4"/tall screen rumor.

Yes...'they've established themselves as a company'...great.

If they don't go larger, then a lot of people will feel the pull towards larger screens. And the the S3 and Note and HTC and etc, etc will be stealing sales. They can keep the phone dimensions relatively small. Heck, I liked the 3GS feel more than the iPhone4/4S, and they changed that (minor, but still not as slick).

Sure, they will sell iPhones, but if you look at the market today it's larger screen sizes. This is not a fad or a novelty, it has a lot of practical value. There are a lot of folks that say 'I don't want android, I don't want a gigantic phone or tablet to lug around...but, for the love of ___ just make an in-between screen size that is user friendly for those that utilize the phone in such a way.

Again, this is why I suggest (along with others) perhaps two iPhone models. Then we could see what sells.

I intended my original post to be that way, so I'm glad it came across correctly. Why? Because I'm sick of hearing people like you, thinking you know what's best for Apple. If you knew what was best for the company, you would be running it.

Apple...4.5"+ or bust! The market is demanding it!
- Just from that quote alone, I know you have no idea what you're talking about. Please post an article where the average consumer is "demanding" a phone with a 4.5+ inch screen. I'd like to see where you pulled this statement from.

Apple never once stated they are making a 7" or 10" iPad. Those are rumors. I'll assume you know what a rumor is. Let me guess, you believed the rumors of the iPad 3 without a home button?

In a couple months you'll see what Apple decides to release, and if you're not happy with the finished product, feel free to purchase an Android device. The choice is out there, and no one is forcing you to buy an iPhone.
 
The datasheet can be downloaded here. (Click on the big K9MCG08U5M halfway down on the right.)

From the minimum read timing, it tops out at 33 MB/sec for a sequential read.

This was the original type of chip that Apple used... comparatively inexpensive because it was only good for about 5,000 erase/write cycles. (Not the 100,000 that's common on some other Flash devices.) Which was okay, because nobody totally rewrites all their files every few hours, but it's also why Apple never used the file system to cache web pages... only what would fit in RAM.

Each chip could also come with a section of memory bad from the factory and still pass. Which is probably partly why Apple came up with the "Other" category to help hide the differences. Nobody wants to know that their devices had MBs less than someone else's... so they made everyone's the same.

Oh, I read the data sheet but somehow missed the part about the speed. So 33MB/s is 284mbps. That is faster than the realistic speeds of USB 2.0 (or at least faster than I've ever seen USB 2.0 go).
 
That idea is completely, laughably absurd.

Tech is unpredictable - technology doesn't follow a predictable path.

Five years ago Apple wasn't even selling an Iphone.

Don't worship the false deity of the turtlenecked overlord....

This is an interesting and unpredictable response to my point.

Though you are right that technology does not follow a predictable path, you should remember that new technology and concepts are not dreamt about and manufactured the following day. The iPhone would have been in testing for a considerable length of time.

I'd say there's quite a prediction that SSD will overtake HDD in the near future, that more and more apps will become web-based or require web connections and that this year will will see a PowerBook G5.
 
Though you are right that technology does not follow a predictable path, you should remember that new technology and concepts are not dreamt about and manufactured the following day. The iPhone would have been in testing for a considerable length of time.

Actually, reports are that the iPhone was a rather quick project from conception to market. It mostly was made during 2006 for a presentation in 2007. It was a really short project on a very tight deadline.
 
Actually, reports are that the iPhone was a rather quick project from conception to market. It mostly was made during 2006 for a presentation in 2007. It was a really short project on a very tight deadline.

Yup...if I remember my rumors and history correctly, that is. I believe it was the iPad that Apple had spent years and years producing, and the first iPhone was nothing more than a miniaturized, feature-stripped version they whipped up almost as a side project.
 
Actually, reports are that the iPhone was a rather quick project from conception to market. It mostly was made during 2006 for a presentation in 2007. It was a really short project on a very tight deadline.

Fair enough!.

Interesting though, as I remember it to be something like this:

  • 2002 First iPod released
  • Summer 2004 Motorola is approached to build a phone running Apple's software
  • 2004-2005 Apple's engineers begin working on multi-touch touchscreens
  • February 2005 Apple seeks to eliminate Motorola as its phone maker and cut a deal with Cingular to be the exclusive carrier of Apple's phone
  • September 2005 The joint Motorola-Apple ROKR phone is released
  • November 2005 Apple engineer's begin working feverishly on Apple's phone
  • January 2007 The iPhone is announced

So I'd be more inclined to think that Jobs "wanted to fix the phone" since as early as 2004 at least...
But we'll never really know (unless Jobs said in his biography?)
 
Yup...if I remember my rumors and history correctly, that is. I believe it was the iPad that Apple had spent years and years producing, and the first iPhone was nothing more than a miniaturized, feature-stripped version they whipped up almost as a side project.

The iPhone was first with iOS. The iPad was built after the iPhone. I think what has confused some people was Jobs' widely reported comment that the "tablet came first", without hearing what else he said.

What he added was that he meant he saw a demo of multi-touch done first on a tablet prototype (which was no doubt running either OSX or Linux, since iOS didn't exist yet).

That's what made him decide for Apple to create an all-touch UI for their phone, instead of their original idea of using an iPod-like scrollwheel. Thank goodness.

The "Purple 2" project (the iPhone that finally came out) was begun towards the end of 2005, with engineering starting first. The port of OSX into iOS began in early 2006. The phone was shown off in early 2007, so the initial push only took about a year.

Of course, it was another six months before it went on sale, so they had most of that extra time to fine tune the software as well.

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Fair enough!.

Interesting though, as I remember it to be something like this:

  • November 2005 Apple engineer's begin working feverishly on Apple's phone
  • January 2007 The iPhone is announced

Seems you remember it just like I said it was to me. :)

I think they even debated well into 2006 whether to use Linux or OS X as a basis for the OS itself.
 
I guess I just disagree with their ideology. I'd always go for freedom and flexibility.
Me too. Sadly Apple thinks more about money and power.
Regarding iOS products, I would argue that many more tech savvy users still choose iOS products for their build quality and battery life. While this 'user experience' is often touted as the main strength of apple products, I lean towards build quality and battery life as my main reason for liking iOS. Its more so the integration of iOS with the hardware itself than the actual os that does it for me. I doubt I'm alone here.
A little more effort for the more advanced user would go a long way for apple.
I've also always asked, would it hurt Apple, if they made a whole different feature set for advanced users, but hide it away from average-joes.
Pretty much the same thing than in osX with bsd in the background.

And if Apple woories so much about supporting costs of the "experience" they could even release two totally different licenses of their os'es. Average-joe-version with usual support and nerdy-geeks-version with veeery limited support.
More so they could do this with osX and macs. Since Apple is ever increasingly loosing interest in professionals, but professionals still seem to like using macs, Apple should licence osx to other hardware vendors, who could make those niche products (xserve, xraid, macpro, shake, fcs, etc) that Apple doesn't care any more.
 
I intended my original post to be that way, so I'm glad it came across correctly. Why? Because I'm sick of hearing people like you, thinking you know what's best for Apple. If you knew what was best for the company, you would be running it.

- Just from that quote alone, I know you have no idea what you're talking about. Please post an article where the average consumer is "demanding" a phone with a 4.5+ inch screen. I'd like to see where you pulled this statement from.

Apple never once stated they are making a 7" or 10" iPad. Those are rumors. I'll assume you know what a rumor is. Let me guess, you believed the rumors of the iPad 3 without a home button?

In a couple months you'll see what Apple decides to release, and if you're not happy with the finished product, feel free to purchase an Android device. The choice is out there, and no one is forcing you to buy an iPhone.

People 'like me'...again, you trivialize. Also, you are being an @ss, since YOU do not know what is 'best' either. I laid out clearly what I said, and I never said that I knew what is best for Apple. No one does, perhaps, not even Apple.

There may or may not be an article that depicts demands, but if you speak to smartphone users and see where they have been heading in recent years, then you will see that many tend to be exploring other options, or moving away from the iPhone (aside from die-hards, and there is nothing wrong with being that way).

I made the statement ('or bust') for myself, it's not something one has to google or wiki, it's a statement...it's, of course, not based on poll, and it doesn't determine my knowledge, so enough insinuations.

You are once again being a snarky jerk who doesn't understand what you are writing...there IS a 10" iPad. It's called...iPad. Can I not round 9.7" to 10"? Yes, there ARE rumors of a 7" iPad in the works, just like there are rumors of no more 17" screen MBP's, etc.

Are we clear? Do you need more information? Because, once again, nothing you say is of any assistance to this thread...no substance, just insults (where you are actually wrong/provide no substance). Good job.

Very good, no one is 'forcing me to buy an iPhone'. Similar to 'no one is forcing you to write insulting replies'. Gee, I'm shocked. Do you realize that you aren't speaking to a tree or a wall? Have some respect, and think about what you write before you write.
 
Samsung has how many models? LG? So, come out with an iPhone that is 4.5"+ and keep the damn 3.5" for those that don't care or want it small.

With regards to this (and in a way why changing sizes is a big deal).

Apple is not Samsung. What I mean by that is, Samsung already makes hundreds of products. They have large resources for manufacturing a vast array of designs ranging from Cell phones and displays to big screen TV's. Samsung sells options.

Apple functions on a very different business model. They sell Exclusivity. They can't make a huge selection of devices and have no interest in it. There will be One iPhone. Potentially two if you count This model and Last model, since the manufacturing process for the last model will remain unchanged and will not require a new plant.

With that in mind, changing the screen size means one of two things... Either a change in the way all iPhones will be made going forward, or a change in Apple's manufacturing and a shift towards offering more product variety.
 
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