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To be able to drag and drop files (music, videos, pictures) to and from a windows or mac folder would be awesome.

I am not the only one that feels this way either. I had previously owned 5 Android phones and to come over to iOS' file system is still jarring to this day. On the Android phone it would take me a few seconds to move files to and from the device to my PC/MAC. With my iPhone and damn iTunes (even on my Mac), I end up waiting sometimes 1 minute for syncing. Unacceptable.

A file explorer, a way to drag and drop files much more easily will drastically improve the usability of the device making it more intuitive to use in daily life

I agree that syncing is slow, but through iTunes you can always have your phone manually managed and drag and drop from it freely.

Hopefully, this feature is expanded when iTunes is rewritten. I actually thought you meant an internal way to manage files on the iPhone... but I stand corrected, that would be a great way to be able to access all my data and move stuff over and back freely.
 
I agree that syncing is slow, but through iTunes you can always have your phone manually managed and drag and drop from it freely.

Hopefully, this feature is expanded when iTunes is rewritten. I actually thought you meant an internal way to manage files on the iPhone... but I stand corrected, that would be a great way to be able to access all my data and move stuff over and back freely.

I want the iPhone/iPods to support the FireWire adapter cable again. It would provide much faster data transfer. It's frustrating to be a Mac user and be stuck with devices that Apple made that use USB.
 
Guess Steve wasn't involved with such a boneheaded move.

Also, can you speak for the entire iPod Touch/iPhone demographic?
No, but my usage is as relevant as everyone else's posting here, most everyone here speaks for her- or himself and their personal experiences watching other people use these devices.

And I don't see a lot of people watching movies on smartphone-sized devices in the public space I frequent (compared to iPads or laptops).
 
By "glass" I meant the screen part. If you break the glass on the rest of it, it doesn't really matter (other than appearance). The bigger one will have a larger screen area compared to the rest of the body.

Depends on how they redesign it, but I'm thinking it'll be roughly the same proportionally. Really truthfully honestly, they'll both be just as likely to break from a 4+ foot drop, as both will have about an equal chance of landing screen first against the asphalt below. Saying that the larger iPhone is more fragile because it's statistically more likely to hit a rock embedded in the asphalt due to the larger surface area of the screen is...well...it's a lame argument, man. We're talking splitting hairs to the utmost extreme here.


And I don't see a lot of people watching movies on smartphone-sized devices in the public space I frequent (compared to iPads or laptops).

Neither have I, but it doesn't change the fact that at one point Apple dismissed the idea of a small device capable of playing movies with their usual flair and snark...then immediately turned around and released the iPod Touch with full capabilities for playing movies.

Just because Apple says they won't do something one day doesn't mean it should be taken as proof that they'll never do it for all infinity for the rest of time. They're excellent marketers, they don't want to draw attention to any of the deficiencies in their products. They won't go "oh well...maybe next time". No. The usual Apple modus operandi is to claim a feature their products lack is pointless, that you don't need it. That is until they make something that has it, then they talk about how neat it is.
 
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I want the iPhone/iPods to support the FireWire adapter cable again. It would provide much faster data transfer. It's frustrating to be a Mac user and be stuck with devices that Apple made that use USB.
Just tested this with my 2011 13" MBP (750 GB HDD), maximum transfer speed for a 2 GB movie file:
- FW800 to 7200 rpm 3.5" external HDD: 57 MB/s
- USB 2 to same disk: 33 MB/s
- USB 2 to iPad 3: 22 MB/s

It is plainly obvious that the USB 2 protocol is not limiting the speed but either the iPad flash memory or the iPad I/O controller. Switching to USB 3 or FW or TB will thus not increase the transfer speed. FW was never faster with iPods/iPhones/iPads than USB 2 as earlier iPods and iOS devices had even slower storage and slower processors. FW was faster than USB 1 which was still prevalent when the first iPod was release.
 
They should let Jobs rest in peace and stop whoring him for everything coming out of Apple. It's pretty pathetic, IMO.
 
Neither have I, but it doesn't change the fact that at one point Apple dismissed the idea of a small device capable of playing movies with their usual flair and snark...then immediately turned around and released the iPod Touch with full capabilities for playing movies.
My point was rather that movie watching on a 3.5" or 4" device is not such a killer application that having or not having it will substantially influence the success of a device. It that sense, when Apple dismissed it, it was saying that the feature was not quite as important as it was played out by some people. Almost every marketing statement is a calculated exaggeration.

The usual Apple modus operandi is to claim a feature their products lack is pointless, that you don't need it. That is until they make something that has it, then they talk about how neat it is.
As I said, that is true of almost any marketing statement by any company. But the more successful you are, the less you have to exaggerate. RIM for example has to exaggerate a lot to portray its products as competitive.
 
My point was rather that movie watching on a 3.5" or 4" device is not such a killer application that having or not having it will substantially influence the success of a device. It that sense, when Apple dismissed it, it was saying that the feature was not quite as important as it was played out by some people. Almost every marketing statement is a calculated exaggeration.


As I said, that is true of almost any marketing statement by any company. But the more successful you are, the less you have to exaggerate. RIM for example has to exaggerate a lot to portray its products as competitive.

My point isn't so much about how Apple advertises it's features. You're right in that regard. They're ultimately no different than every other company out there. Hyping their strengths, downplaying their weaknesses. Rather, my point is how some people seem to take everything they say as complete gospel, with nary a grain of salt to be found.

If Apple said no one wants to watch videos on a small screen, then it's a stupid idea that'll never be found on any of their products. That is, until it shows up. Then it's considered a standard feature. Much the same way that Apple said a 3.5" screen is the perfect size for everybody. Of course no one would want anything larger. It's perfect as is, going bigger is absolutely ridiculous. We're not all giants! But if the new iPhone does indeed sport a 4" screen, and it ends up selling just as well if not better than the previous generations? Well...

It's perfect!
 
This isn't news at all. It's obvious that he would work closely on the product that makes up 60% of Apple's revenue. It's damn critical to be made right. And considering the personality of Steve just solidifies im sure he worked closely on this product as well as the other few products under Apple's belt.

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My point was rather that movie watching on a 3.5" or 4" device is not such a killer application that having or not having it will substantially influence the success of a device. It that sense, when Apple dismissed it, it was saying that the feature was not quite as important as it was played out by some people. Almost every marketing statement is a calculated exaggeration.


As I said, that is true of almost any marketing statement by any company. But the more successful you are, the less you have to exaggerate. RIM for example has to exaggerate a lot to portray its products as competitive.

If your watching movies on a tiny phone you have problems. The larger display won't be used for movies. Most will enjoy the increased amount of content output when browsing or running apps.
 
Just tested this with my 2011 13" MBP (750 GB HDD), maximum transfer speed for a 2 GB movie file:
- FW800 to 7200 rpm 3.5" external HDD: 57 MB/s
- USB 2 to same disk: 33 MB/s
- USB 2 to iPad 3: 22 MB/s

It is plainly obvious that the USB 2 protocol is not limiting the speed but either the iPad flash memory or the iPad I/O controller. Switching to USB 3 or FW or TB will thus not increase the transfer speed. FW was never faster with iPods/iPhones/iPads than USB 2 as earlier iPods and iOS devices had even slower storage and slower processors. FW was faster than USB 1 which was still prevalent when the first iPod was release.

There are more factors to the USB vs FireWire than just the transfer rate. USB uses the computer's CPU more heavily, for one. I think FireWire to an iPad would still be faster than USB even though these tests wouldn't indicate it.
 
I want the iPhone/iPods to support the FireWire adapter cable again. It would provide much faster data transfer. It's frustrating to be a Mac user and be stuck with devices that Apple made that use USB.

Isn't the bottleneck the speed of the flash memory on the Idevice, not the speed of the cable?

T-Bolt would be the same speed as USB 2.0 in that case.
 
There are more factors to the USB vs FireWire than just the transfer rate. USB uses the computer's CPU more heavily, for one. I think FireWire to an iPad would still be faster than USB even though these tests wouldn't indicate it.

But USB 2 to external HDD and USB 2 to iPad should tax the CPU the same way and the CPU is anyway very far from being saturated. So, the fact that the iPad is slower clearly indicates that the bottleneck is on the iPad and not on the USB 2 protocol.

And anybody claiming the original iPods were faster with FW just should look at the speed of these 5 GB 1.8" HDDs, they were just so slow that USB 2 vs FW400 difference was completely irrelevant. FW400 was chosen because Macs at that time only had USB 1 and FW400 was massively faster then USB 1. The Powerbooks gained USB 2 only two years later (Sep 2003).
 
Isn't the bottleneck the speed of the flash memory on the Idevice, not the speed of the cable?

T-Bolt would be the same speed as USB 2.0 in that case.

Yes indeed it is. It's not the fastest flash storage in these devices by far. They are fast by 3500-4200 rpm HDD standards. Which were in the iPods of yore and still present in the Classic.

The flash chips in the iDevices aren't top notch parts capable of bottlenecking USB2.0, let alone Firewire.
 
But USB 2 to external HDD and USB 2 to iPad should tax the CPU the same way and the CPU is anyway very far from being saturated. So, the fact that the iPad is slower clearly indicates that the bottleneck is on the iPad and not on the USB 2 protocol.

And anybody claiming the original iPods were faster with FW just should look at the speed of these 5 GB 1.8" HDDs, they were just so slow that USB 2 vs FW400 difference was completely irrelevant. FW400 was chosen because Macs at that time only had USB 1 and FW400 was massively faster then USB 1. The Powerbooks gained USB 2 only two years later (Sep 2003).

Isn't internal flash memory faster than 2 Gbps? Also, you're assuming that the computer allocates all of its CPU to the USB.

Someone, do a speed test comparing FireWire to iPod and USB to iPod.

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That's what I thought... the flash storage is about 20MB/s isn't it?

Flash storage on a PC is very very fast, definitely faster than FireWire's max of 800mbps. The question is: Do the iPods have something nearly as fast as this?

I'm pretty sure the iPods have something faster than USB in them. It seems like < USB speed would be too slow for the iPod to run its OS off of.

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Isn't the bottleneck the speed of the flash memory on the Idevice, not the speed of the cable?

T-Bolt would be the same speed as USB 2.0 in that case.

An internal connection that is so close together will not be slower than an external USB 2.0 connection (which is also outdated). This would probably mean that the flash memory itself is slow if the overall performance is slower than USB 2.0's transfer rate.

I normally think of flash memory as super-fast, but a slow and cheap kind maybe could be possible? I can't find any disk specs for the iPhone or iPod online.
 
I normally think of flash memory as super-fast, but a slow and cheap kind maybe could be possible? I can't find any disk specs for the iPhone or iPod online.

Most USB flash-based thumb drives are much slower than the USB bus, and flash-based SD cards are usually much slower as well.

High speed SSDs get the speed from using RAID-like parallel reading and writing of multiple flash chips.
 
But - isn't it funny how so many MR posters insist that Apple would never change their size from 3.5" because STEVE (and crew) had done so much research (5 years ago folks) and determined 3.5 was optimal.

Can't wait to see all the backpeddling

For sure. 3.5 was optimal because apple wanted to reissue basically the same iphone 4 for a second generation in a row (well, one with an antennae that did work anyway) and make even more money out of economies of scale. Hence 8% market cut and 70% profit cut for the iphone.

Only apple can issue pretty much the same phone format and interface with very minor modifications for 5 years in a row, have one phone model, and 70% of the profits of the industry. The marketing of this company is insane. Only apple can get people clapping in an auditorium for offering the ability to re-arrange icons on the iphone screen via itunes after, what was it, 3 years?


Personally, when I was first looking to get a smartphone, I hated that they were all so much larger than a "regular" phone, and held off for months due to the iPhone nano rumours. Since having one for the past year, I would say that I wouldn't mind one a little taller and wider, mostly because when texting, the height isn't tall enough to show my large message and the keyboard and the message I'm responding to. For width, I always need to view non-mobile websites in landscape mode and it would be nice to have more "height" there as well. So, my perception of desirability has changed over time.

That said, I completely agree with Apple delaying any change in dimensions, for as long as possible. As a software developer, small mobile screens are much harder to develop for than desktop/notebooks where you can assume >= 1024x768. Every variant of resolution more than 100-200 pixels changes each page noticeably. And it's nice that there are only a few iOS resolutions to deal with. So I agree with the feet dragging and then leaping approach, to reduce variants, that Apple does, instead of the competitors who release with every interim resolution and screen size that's available.

It's all about finding sweat spots for features, instead of many iterations of slightly better yet incompatible changes. With a larger screen size, comes:

- Greater CPU/GPU processing requirements and greater electricity usage, while providing more room for a battery, but all having more weight. Each of those then cost more as well, which is the greatest constraint.

- Different pixel density, for mapping between pixels and physical sizes that constrain what users can actually interact with.

- Different screen resolutions require different UI layout and artwork and often times different means of getting user input.

It seems that Apple is coordinating the steps in improvements between iPhone and iPad devices, to simplify app development, so that developers could focus on the iPhone retina changes at a different time than the iPad retina changes, and now whatever possible next change in iPhone resolution.

So when people say that 3.5" is no longer optimal, and that Apple and the fanboys will have to do a 180 and pull their feet out of their mouths if the screen resolution changes, I think it's just that with all of the variables as they were, 3.5" made sense for maybe longer than people realise who only look at some of the variables. But once enough of them line up, it will be a no brainer. It's just not obvious, since CPU and GPU speeds / power requirements, and display brightness / resolution / power requirements all trend at different rates. Let alone all the other variables controlling when to use a larger battery, like flash / ram / LTE / 3G / WiFi / Bluetooth chipset and protocol power usage.
 
Isn't the bottleneck the speed of the flash memory on the Idevice, not the speed of the cable?

T-Bolt would be the same speed as USB 2.0 in that case.

It's a combination of the chosen qualities of both the read/write [bottleneck on the write] and the memory controller that determines the actual performance measures for flash memory including NAND flash memory.
 
I agree that his influence on the products will likely live on.

But how do you even start to back up such a claim? What's stopping Apple from releasing whatever product they want (heck, even an iCar?) and claiming that it was Steve's brainchild, both to appeal to fans and shut detractors up?:confused:

How do you know? And really, who cares? I love coming here and reading the ridiculous posts... Who knows what influence SJ has or will have in the future?
Does it really matter? I don't buy anything because someone built it or thought it up... I buy it because it fulfills my intended purpose of it, period!
 
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