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By the way, anyone who thinks Apple was founded NOT to make money is a loon...

Woz may have wanted to give away his little tech toy to the computer club, but he had NO problem becoming the co-founder and equal partner of a company set up to SELL Apple computers AT A PROFIT.

Woz is still an Apple employee. Apple, Inc. pays him a $175,000/year retainer for doing absolutely nothing.
 
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Anyone who thinks a 50% tax rate is ethical really needs to have their heads examined. I don't care how much money someone makes, the government shouldn't be able to take half of it.
Thank you. A person or company would basically be operation 6mons out of the year to pay the government money.
 
Flat taxes sound good but they aren't good for people on the low end of the economic ladder. Deductions are introduced to the tax code to enable and encourage people to do good things with their money that help everyone in the big picture. For example, people who buy houses get a mortgage deduction because people who own houses tend to take better care of their neighborhoods. Deductions for low income people to be able to afford child care so they are incentivized to get a job rather than stay on assistance. And business owners get deductions when they reinvest in their businesses, which can lead to more jobs being created and more money transfer between businesses which keeps the economy flowing. Deductions or tax incentives for retirement savings encourage people to save for their retirement so they don't have to rely so much on Social Security. Charity deductions encourage people to give more to charity. See where I'm going with this? The problem Apple faces is that the cost to repatriate money made overseas is too high, way higher than competitors like Samsung pay to bring all their money back to Korea. So Apple keeps all that money overseas and uses it to run their overseas businesses but I'm sure they would rather have the freedom to use that money wherever they might need to.

You and another above made the comment about low income people. Sorry, but that doesn't matter to me, make more money. When I was poor I joined the military, used them for school and am now working on an MBA and getting paid to do it. There are options for everyone to make more money unless they are handicap in some way that prevents it. I think that, like other countries, two years of military service should be mandatory and then you get an education for free. Anyways I get the point on why a flat tax isn't the perfect scenario.
 
Nonsense, at least he would re-focus Apple back to a tech company rather than a fashion brand.

But that's what people seem to like Apple for these days.

Have you seen the band on the new Apple watch? Probably not. I forgot you're poor. :drives off in Bugatti while listening to 90's German House bands:

De musik in ein Veyron ist gut, ja untermensch?
 
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With Woz in charge, I bet they'd start selling real apples, and you'd buy these real apples from the Apple Stores.

You mean a new Mac Pro? Or Apples as in "No more apples in the vending machine please" ?
 

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Why do you want businesses investing in other big businesses? That creates an oligarchy by definition.
Invest in what returns proceeds so poverty is solved.
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Get off your high horse. You're a ignorant fool to be paying 50% on income. I suggest you work on loosing 50%. :apple:
He did do the US Festival.
 
Woz is a great person and I agree with him 100% that corporations should be paying a much higher tax rate considering how much of the public infrastructure they benefit from.

To those who are for corporations paying lower taxes, how exactly does a corporation paying a lower tax rate benefit you personally?
 
Woz is a great person and I agree with him 100% that corporations should be paying a much higher tax rate considering how much of the public infrastructure they benefit from.

To those who are for corporations paying lower taxes, how exactly does a corporation paying a lower tax rate benefit you personally?
You are wrong because the infrastructure was already paid for long ago by gas tax payers (poor people), and FEDGOV highway bills (rich people).

BTW: You are a bot.
 
50% tax?
Say hello to $2,000 iPhones, $5,000 Minis and $10,000 iMacs.
Corporations don't pay taxes.
The customers who buy their products pay the taxes.
 
They'd fund schools properly. They'd support and fix a hospital system in crisis. There would be great outcomes for everyone if companies paid proper tax.
You've either never worked for the government or with it. Your statement is incredibly naive and utopic. Lest you don't understand me money isn't the reason our health system is in a shambles and our schools suck.
 
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and we can assume you live in one of these socialist eutopias?
I live in the U.S. but I grew up in Canada, and it makes me sick to hear about lower middle class families here paying $400/mo. for health insurance PER PERSON, in one of the wealthiest countries in the world. Bleah, you guys have no idea how s***y your system is. Don't even get me started on the corruption of your drug companies -- do you even realize how much more they charge in the US than they do almost anywhere else?

And education...you have some *public* universities charging $40,000 tuition per year. In Germany tuition is in the hundreds...and yet somehow, they're just as good. Where is all that money going?? Where is the return on your "investment"? The answer is, it's going to the 1%, in the form of low taxes. And Americans have been fooled into thinking this is somehow part of what makes America "great".
 
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They'd fund schools properly. They'd support and fix a hospital system in crisis. There would be great outcomes for everyone if companies paid proper tax.

No, no, and no.

The school system is broken because of government involvement. The typical public school system takes ten times the money to graduate a student as the private schools spend. The students in public schools are wronged by the system that has entrapped them, and lack basic skills like critical thought. The hospital system is in crisis because of government involvement. Mountains of regulations and crony capitalism have buried it.

Great outcomes for everyone? Maybe everyone in the government. It seeks to do one thing: perpetuate itself. Just like a virus.

Woz is, like most of the social progressive darlings, completely oblivious to economic wisdom. He also has a huge heart and like most people of his kind think that the whole world sees problems the way he does. He thinks that "someone ought to do something". Thats great when the intent, money and governance comes from "someone" in the private sector, but saying that the government should grab that money from the private sector and administer it according to its own plans is brutally, unquestionably wrong.

You want those schools fixed? Want the hospitals fixed? Want great outcomes for everyone? Get government out of the way. Imagine the good that could be done in this country if Apple could repatriate that money. A couple hundred billion hitting our shores and creating jobs like the highly paid construction people building the new campus, data centers, and renewable energy plants. Imagine the domino effect as those people spread that money (or hopefully save, as savings is the true measure of societal wealth, not debt or spending) around their communities. Maybe parents could earn enough money to send their kids to decent schools and develop thinking minds, instead of being spoon-fed test filler material in those "free" public schools. Maybe people could have affordable hospital treatment like we had in the 60s prior to the feds getting involved, before the byzantine regulations and layers of meddling.

Have another example of how wrong the "government will make it better, just let them take the money from those evil mega companies" mindset is: a class action suit on behalf of thousands of Vietnam vets was brought against Monsanto and Dow Chemical. The companies settled prior to trial and hundreds of billions were awarded to the vets. The Veterans Administration stepped in and took the money in trust. From time to time they dole it out for "studies", but none of the affected vets has received any compensation. Over half the money has been used up already and these vets are dying out.

Still want the government to grab 50 percent of the money Apple has made?
 
The current trend in tax policy is to lower the marginal rate for business to about 15%. If it were as economics suggests it should it would be 0% and the only tax paid would be from the beneficiaries of pass-through income in the form of dividends and salaries.

Even personal marginal income tax rates should be reduced not increased to improve overall revenue and employment from increased activity.

The Phillips curve is real and the recent spate of increased marginal rates under Obama/Pelosi/Reid has killed money velocity, thus GDP growth.
Economics is not a science. It has failed miserably, time and time again, to make real predictions. You're just espousing a particular ideology.

Hundreds of millions of people around the world, living in normal, developed countries with healthy social welfare programs and high tax rates should give you a hint, but nope.
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No, no, and no.

The school system is broken because of government involvement.
Are you one of those conservatives who lives in an American bubble and is completely unaware of the whole, wide world out there? Most countries have better education outcomes than the U.S., and most of those have more government involvement, not less.

The typical public school system takes ten times the money to graduate a student as the private schools spend.
Oh dear lord. Logic is your friend.

Private schools = rich students from good families...families that are motivated to help out at the school, make donations, and get involved. Kids without social, economic, and family problems. They need less help to succeed, and even if your statistic is true (I have no idea), it wouldn't be surprising.

The hospital system is in crisis because of government involvement. Mountains of regulations and crony capitalism have buried it.
BZZZZT. Wrong. Health care is unaffordable in this country because drug companies are allowed to charge insane amounts for drugs that are much cheaper elsewhere. A middle class family is forced to spend hundreds or thousands per month on (crappy) health insurance because there is no public system. Almost every developed, enlightened country in the world has figured this out, except the US.
 
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You are wrong because the infrastructure was already paid for long ago by gas tax payers (poor people), and FEDGOV highway bills (rich people).

BTW: You are a bot.


What about maintenance of that infrastructure or perhaps expanding it?

How exactly are tax payers "poor people"? You do realize that people who are considered "poor" don't actually pay taxes at the federal level with a marginal tax rate.

Perhaps you should check your opinions against facts before posting them on the internets.

BTW: How exactly am I a bot?

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And the moment they try that would be the moment the whole company goes under.


Actually, without subsidies, iPhones cost pretty close to $1,000. And suped up iMacs can easily go for $3,000.

Besides, even with a 50% tax rate, I agree with you that Apple passing the tax burden onto the consumers, which they already do by not paying a 50% tax rate, at the point of sale will significantly slow sales of Apple products.
 
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