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Does anything you ever say on MRF make any sense?
It doesn't. With the iPad Pro out they'll most likely have to implement something for this eventually. It's not a big deal to make an application that works as a limited user-space file browser where all downloaded, imported etc files are organized. That's actually how a lot of the stock Downloads or Files apps on Android work, it's just the more advanced ones that allow you to browse system files as well.
There isn't really much harm users can do by opening, arranging or deleting their own files. It won't allow you to run 3rd party apps or anything.
As for OPs case, I can fully understand having a bunch of small annoyances one wants to fix to have their device working as they want. I currently have two Android phones here, a Oneplus One running CyanogenOS and Oneplus X running their own OxygenOS. While both are Android 5.1.x, CyanogenOS offers 10x more customizability and has allowed me to setup the One to my liking. These small annoyances stack to the point where you might look into things like jailbreaking on iOS to get it to work like you want.
For OPs uses an Android phone is most likely the better choice.
When the OP stated "dedicated file browser" I did not take that to mean the limited form of file browsing that Apple allows with various apps in the App store.
That type of thing is sandboxed and you can't open files outside of the space those apps give you. Although some apps allow you to "send" files to other apps, that is a process you don't control directly.
But, OP in my opinion, meant a file browser that allows you to browse the entire system folder structure. Apple won't allow that to happen. They may for sure, open something for the iPad Pro as you indicated - but full system file access? Not going to happen.
1. The Bugatti example cannot be compared to this. You have to compare apples with apples.
2. Yes, all of it does.
A dedicated file manager is just a software that allows you to manage your files. It has nothing to do with accessing system structures which I agree Apple won't and shouldn't allow. Why would you even want to see them when you need to jailbreak to modify them in the first place and jailbroken iOS tablets/phones have had full file browsers for years?
The one thing Apple's iOS doesn't have is a single location where you can find every file you've ever added to your device via iTunes or by downloading an email attachment etc.
First of all, it does do many of the things on the list... I addressed a couple, but wasn't going to waste my time doing the homework for the guy when he said the list was from 2 years ago. The rest of the things or either personal preference, not part of Apple's design goals, or just nit picky little features. He clearly wants an Android phone and no one here needs to convince him otherwise.
I guess you don't understand the meaning of the word "basic", so I'll fight fire with fire.
I want you to convince me I should buy an Android phone from any company when none of them do these things:
- Doesn't come in Rose Gold.
- Doesn't work with a lightening connector.
- Doesn't work with iCloud.
- Doesn't work with an iPhone case.
- Doesn't work with my Apple watch.
- Doesn't have a Notification and Today screen tabbed when you swipe the screen.
- Doesn't work with Apple Pay.
- Doesn't have as good a battery as my 6s Plus.
- Doesn't let me make a noise with my phone from my watch or iCloud when I can't find it.
Any Android phone is "too basic" because none of them can do these things.
Oh wait, the Android phone is "too basic" and the iPhone is "too basic". Therefore all smartphones are "too basic", and thus being "too basic" is not a reason to qualify one over the other. Buy the one you like best.
1. Apparently you can't compare apples to apples, you have to compare apples to androids.
2. Can we take a poll on that?
That's my point.
This is what the OP means that he wants. It's only currently available if you jailbreak. Hence Apple does not allow it. And IMO won't ever allow it for the reasons I stated as well as the ones you mention.
But that is not what he meant he wants. He simply says a dedicated file browser, not that he wants to access system files and it's the one thing Apple doesn't have. They've already pouched a lot of features from the jailbreak community in the first place so having a file browser eventually isn't out of the question. They're just not doing it now but it remains to be seen if they will make iOS 10 more tailored to the iPad Pro.
Right, and in my opinion its totally unnecessary to have this capability in order to use the phone as a productive tool. With Android, I'm wondering around in directories full of crap I shouldn't be messing with rather than having my files available in an easily accessible place from my apps. The big thing now is really cloud storage anyways, and there are plenty of tools available for iPhone to let you get at files that way.
Its not Apple's plan to provide this function because it doesn't fit their user experience design. Different strokes for different folks. If this is a critical capability for someone, then they shouldn't be using an iPhone.
In Android (or at least the Androids I've used) the file system is simply the file system. Your personal folders exists among the system folders. A dedicated file browser allows you to access your folders and by extension the rest of the file system (which includes system folders).
OP may not necessarily want to access system folders, but as my understanding of this includes them it's simply a by product.
Having that available to the average customer is not something Apple wants.
This is what I was saying in my first post.
PS. I'm jailbroken, so I can access this stuff on my iPhone anyway. Not that I go poking around in system files. Don't want to lose my jailbreak. But the potential is there. iFile allows me to transfer files to and from my iPhone directly though because it is a file browser.
Right, and if you jailbreak an iPhone then you are getting a much more similar environment to Android with things like file browsing. You essentially get around many of Apple's inherent design intentions.
I appreciate all your advice and i thank you all. It would seem that most of you either "don't care" or "never an issue" with the given suggestions/issues i have presented. I deny starting an "iOS vs Android" argument in here because i know it isn't. And there are reasons why i started this thread.
Yes i could go to Google or Youtube to find answers. Yes i could get the new "S" phones and a higher capacity memory. It's just way too expensive for me. I know you are not here to "convince" me. That is why i started this thread to ask for advice. Not to start a war on words or be bullied at either.
As i said before i'm thinking of getting an iPhone because of its smooth UI, early and quick updates straight from Apple, very quick camera, build quality, you get apps that are mostly released on iOS and of course security.
Sure i could get a £400 high-end Android phone with specs better than a £500-£700 iPhone but i am merely thinking and studying the possibility that since last year perhaps things might have improved since.
Yes i could go to Google or Youtube to find answers. Yes i could get the new "S" phones and a higher capacity memory. It's just way too expensive for me. I know you are not here to "convince" me. That is why i started this thread to ask for advice. Not to start a war on words or be bullied at either.
As i said before i'm thinking of getting an iPhone because of its smooth UI, early and quick updates straight from Apple, very quick camera, build quality, you get apps that are mostly released on iOS and of course security.
Sure i could get a £400 high-end Android phone with specs better than a £500-£700 iPhone but i am merely thinking and studying the possibility that since last year perhaps things might have improved since.
You can't prove what is basic or isn't basic. You're trying to convince OP that the iPhone isn't basic or that the iPhone isn't a basic phone. You think in 2030 the iPhone you have won't be basic? That's the problem. It's relative. The iPhone is too basic for OP. For you, it's not. That's why I said he needs an android because the iPhone doesn't do everything he needs.
Not everybody is willing to jailbreak just to get more features. Remember, jail breaking creates a ton of safety risks. Recently as many as 200,000 iPhones got infected but they were jail broken. Not a single iPhone that hadn't been jail broken was affected.
Seems like the only applicable answers have been provided fairly early in the thread already, like for example at https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/still-unconvinced-convince-me.1938554/#post-22260491 (quoted below). There really isn't more to it all.
Always hard to tell the intent of why someone is posting a question, but perhaps it was "have I overlooked these features on an iPhone?" And maybe the list started that way. But as has become clear in the responses, I think the answer all along has been: stay with the Android you have, especially if the features it has outweigh the features it doesn't. FWIW, I know lots of people who go back and forth, in a sort of handheld version of "the grass is always greener on the other side."
I don't need to prove anything, I understand the definition of words I use. You apparently don't. The OP never said the iPhone was too basic, you did. We aren't talking about 15 years in the future, we are talking about now. I'm quite certain that no one except you would describe flagship phones from the world's leading vendors as basic. In 15 years flagship phones still won't be basic.
The iPhone lacks a few features that are important to the OP. This doesn't make it too basic. As I've pointed out, by your whacky definition, all phones would be too basic.
But you can't speak only from your vantage point and expect everyone else to have the exact the same view. That's the problem here. You are dead set on believing that the iPhone isn't basic while for the OP it is.
Try to stick with the replies. I don't jailbreak. I understand the risks. I never suggested the OP should jailbreak. I was simply replying to another poster who did.
While we are on the subject... Apples to Androids remember... 200k iPhones affected and ONLY when the owners violated Apple guidance and jailbroke.... Bad, right? How about the 950 million Android phones affected by Stagefright... My Galaxy S5 being one of them. Biggest annoying pain to work around I've ever dealt with on a phone. Many of the 950 million will never receive an update.
Let's see, Is security a "too basic" feature?
The OP never said that, you did! He simply listed some things he wanted it to do, some of which it won't ever do. I listed things an android Galaxy s6 won't do. That doesn't make the Galaxy basic.
Being basic or not is not opinion in this case. Having different features is a given. You can't understand analogies, and to don't understand the definition of the words you use.
This again.
For the record, those people were people who on purpose added a repo known for piracy. Then…they added a tweak from that repo allowing them to bypass payment for apps in the app store and payments for in-app purchases. THAT tweak was infected because the people who infected it KNEW that those looking to avoid paying for this stuff would come and install it!
These people brought this on themselves at every step knowing they were engaging in piracy.
Everytime this GD argument is trotted out to try and "prove" that jailbreaking makes you insecure the people making the argument conveniently ignore this fact!
I am a jailbreaker and I have a jailbroken device. This repo was never added to my repo list and I NEVER downloaded this piracy tweak. I WAS NOT INFECTED!!!
Because I was never anywhere near this!
If anti-jailbreakers want to argue security on it's merits - fine. But do NOT bring out half-truths and regurgitated, disproven material direct from Apple AND ignore facts that are inconvenient to your argument.
This argument is simply garbage and only proves that some stupid idiots got greedy and compromised themselves - not that jailbreaking itself led to this!
@op, I was like you once. I switched back and forth between a Nexus S and iPhone 5 a few times, the iPhone wins. The app experience is as such as you won't end up caring much about what android can do b/c you'll be too busy enjoying a quality experience with quality apps.
If you need to be convinced then just buy one, it's not like you can't sell it or return it or whatever.
If you need to be convinced then just buy one, it's not like you can't sell it or return it or whatever.
This is not true. I never said the Galaxy was basic. I said the iPhone was basic, which is an opinion of the person who is buying the product based on their needs. For example, a person in Africa might think the iPhone 2G is advanced, but do you? Of course not. To you, it is basic. Just like for the OP and what he's looking for.
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