Still unconvinced...convince me?

[Hieveryone]

Try to stick with the replies. I don't jailbreak. I understand the risks. I never suggested the OP should jailbreak. I was simply replying to another poster who did.

While we are on the subject... Apples to Androids remember... 200k iPhones affected and ONLY when the owners violated Apple guidance and jailbroke.... Bad, right? How about the 950 million Android phones affected by Stagefright... My Galaxy S5 being one of them. Biggest annoying pain to work around I've ever dealt with on a phone. Many of the 950 million will never receive an update.

Let's see, Is security a "too basic" feature?

Security is not a basic feature. It requires constant monitoring as I'm sure you are aware. But one says, "I'm going to jailbreak my phone to get more features" then gets a virus, guess what? That's not smart. It's better to get an Android with more features that fits the OP needs. Also, Google will give updates should a data breach occur so those kind of hacks are much "safer" than the ones by jail breaking.

 

[willmtaylor]

This is not true. I never said the Galaxy was basic. I said the iPhone was basic, which is an opinion of the person who is buying the product based on their needs. For example, a person in Africa might think the iPhone 2G is advanced, but do you? Of course not. To you, it is basic. Just like for the OP and what he's looking for.

"A person in Africa"?!? Good grief. My sister lives in Africa. Do you think I have to get her flip phones so they'll be basic enough for her to understand. She can't handle smartphones because if she does, she'll be labeled as a shaman or witch doctor for using such sorcery?

 

[The Game 161]

If you need people to convince you then your decision is already made

 

[Hieveryone]

"A person in Africa"?!? Good grief. My sister lives in Africa. Do you think I have to get her flip phones so they'll be basic enough for her to understand. She can't handle smartphones because if she does, she'll be labeled as a shaman or witch doctor for using such sorcery?

Umm Africa has some of the poorest people in the world. I don't think they're using the latest iPhones. Yes, I'm sure there are many rich Africans who have the latest but we're not talking about them.

My point is, what is basic depends on who is using it. A poor person in Africa would literally think the iPhone 2G is advanced. But here in America nobody would.

 

[willmtaylor]

Umm Africa has some of the poorest people in the world. I don't think they're using the latest iPhones. Yes, I'm sure there are many rich Africans who have the latest but we're not talking about them.

My point is, what is basic depends on who is using it. A poor person in Africa would literally think the iPhone 2G is advanced. But here in America nobody would.

Congrats. You're the first person ever on MRF that I'm blocking.

 

[Tig Bitties]

Get the Nexus 6P and call it a day and be happy Why downgrade to an OS than feels 8 years old, and will never offer customization, it's the walled garden, and Apple wants to keep it that way. The iPhone is the grandparents phone or teenybopper phone.

 

[I7guy]

Get the Nexus 6P and call it a day and be happy Why downgrade to an OS than feels 8 years old, and will never offer customization, it's the walled garden, and Apple wants to keep it that way. The iPhone is the grandparents phone or teenybopper phone.

Exactly, I couldn't have said it better. /s

 

[convergent]

This is not true. I never said the Galaxy was basic. I said the iPhone was basic, which is an opinion of the person who is buying the product based on their needs. For example, a person in Africa might think the iPhone 2G is advanced, but do you? Of course not. To you, it is basic. Just like for the OP and what he's looking for.

By your definition of basic (not mine) the Galaxy s6 is basic because it doesn't do the long list of things the iPhone will do that I posted and you ignored. But nice try with the 2G.

 

[convergent]

Security is not a basic feature. It requires constant monitoring as I'm sure you are aware. But one says, "I'm going to jailbreak my phone to get more features" then gets a virus, guess what? That's not smart. It's better to get an Android with more features that fits the OP needs. Also, Google will give updates should a data breach occur so those kind of hacks are much "safer" than the ones by jail breaking.

You really have a hard time understanding what you read. You brought up security. 950 million Android phones infected months ago. Many millions still not fixed and never will be. Your definition is apparently that this is an advanced feature of a phone. But an iPhone which will never have this security risk is basic. You can't nine to be wrong.

An advanced phone is an advanced phone whether you agree or not.

 

[Hieveryone]

By your definition of basic (not mine) the Galaxy s6 is basic because it doesn't do the long list of things the iPhone will do that I posted and you ignored. But nice try with the 2G.

I never said the Galaxy was basic. It does more of what the OP was looking for. How can it be basic if it does more than the iPhone? How can you think the iPhone is advanced for the OP if it doesn't do anything the OP wants?

Reflect on this - if you were OP, and you couldn't do anything you wanted with the iPhone, would say it is basic or advanced? Basic.

If you were OP and then got a Samsung and it did everything, you would say it is advanced in comparison.

So you can't say the iPhone isn't basic for the OP.

 

[Hieveryone]

You really have a hard time understanding what you read. You brought up security. 950 million Android phones infected months ago. Many millions still not fixed and never will be. Your definition is apparently that this is an advanced feature of a phone. But an iPhone which will never have this security risk is basic. You can't nine to be wrong.

An advanced phone is an advanced phone whether you agree or not.

You are only partially correct about this. The iPhone might be safer than an Android but does that truly make it more advanced? Not necessarily. Think of it this way - a Razr is safer than an Android, but is it more advanced? Of course not. That's what you don't understand.

 

[Megalobyte]

This is just arguing over semantics.

When it's said the iPhone is basic, what's really being said is, given the specific requirements of the OP, the iPhone is lacking.

Which is not the same thing as saying the iPhone is a basic phone (for all users). Basic tends to imply limited function and technology, when in fact it would be pretty silly to say the new iPhones aren't powerful, capable and very advanced phones. They can be all these things and simply not meet an arbitrary list of personal requirements.

 

[AndrewR23]

Umm Africa has some of the poorest people in the world. I don't think they're using the latest iPhones. Yes, I'm sure there are many rich Africans who have the latest but we're not talking about them.

My point is, what is basic depends on who is using it. A poor person in Africa would literally think the iPhone 2G is advanced. But here in America nobody would.

Wow, get off macrumors, go outside and enjoy the sun. Talk to people, just get off macrumors for a few days or years.

OP, get an iPhone and jailbreak. You'll never look back.

 

[ApfelKuchen]

Yeah but you fail to understand that the iPhone is too basic for his needs. Did you read the list of things he wants?

Does the iPhone do any of those?

Nope.

Then you didn't read my post, or several others.

Many of those items are not "more advanced," some are just different, some are ridiculously esoteric... Every product of this sort comes with a list of thousands of small and large features, and the people who build them are constantly scratching around for some feature that the other guy hasn't been using so that the lists won't be identical; sometimes even resurrecting features others discarded because nobody cared enough for them.

For me, the lack of a file manager is an advanced feature. The other feature that goes hand-in-hand with a file manager is a command line interface. GUI? Phooey! Next thing you know, people will be wanting their phones to read punch cards. Don't confuse "advanced" with "it takes skill and training to use." Idiot-proofing tends to require more technology, not less.

As I previously noted about the wide angle lens - it has its uses, but it's mostly about product differentiation. The 35mm-equivalent present on nearly every smart phone was chosen because of its utility - it's by far more useful in more circumstances. The fact that there are times when a 28mm is a great lens to have doesn't change the fact that there are many times when it's the wrong lens. It can mean that distant subject matter is even farther away than it would have been... "Here, see right here, (pinch-zoom, pinch-zoom, pinch-zoom) that's Serena Williams serving for the match!"

 

[convergent]

Talking to this guy (hieveryone) is like talking to a concrete post... nothing penetrates the surface. Not sure why I expected different in this thread when they all go the same way. I will try to ignore going forward, but do have a hard time sitting by when misinformation is spouted.

Back to the OP. If you are this picky about "must have" features, then get the phone that does those things. If they aren't that important, then you'll find the iPhone has a long list of abilities, many that aren't available on any Android phone. It comes down to whether you are bought into the Apple design model and ecosystem. If not, you will have constant friction.

At this stage in my life, the Android way (in particular the Galaxy) was the biggest annoyance I've had in my technical life in years. Even the file manager capability was annoying. I don't want to wander around in systems files. I'd much rather have a business tool that lets me get things done and not worry about a myriad of crazy settings to configure a bunch of stuff that too me is unnecessary. For example you mentioned ring tones. I haven't use a ring tone in probably 10 years, and know very few people that do (and they annoy everyone around them when their phone rings). I keep my phone on vibrate always... and now rely on the watch for taptic indication of a call or message. Its silent, and I don't miss them.

Part of using any advanced smartphone (iPhone 6s Plus, Nexus 6, Galaxy S6, LG G4, HTC One M9, etc.) is accepting that they all have different mixes of features... even if you stay within Android. You seem to have some very specific must haves, so it will be hard to be happy with any phone. When I became unhappy with the Galaxy (S5 in my case), it wasn't one specific thing that led me to hate it, it was the total package. Stagefright was probably the straw that broke the camels back, but I was already wanting to be elsewhere. The work around for that just added so much annoyance. But overall... laggy interface, unexpected battery draining, apps randomly coming on in my pocket, massively confusing settings, screen configuration accidentally changing, and a big one being friction against the rest of the Apple ecosystem I and my family use. The total package was just unpleasant.

 

[Tig Bitties]

In my mind, if you haven't had a Nexus phone, you haven't used Android.

It's sad that so many iPhone users first experience with Android was most likely a Samsung Galaxy phone, and they just suck, and really tarnished the image and greatness if what vanilla Android is. Touchwiz blows.

If people that have been using iPhone's only forever, and they finally decide to try Android, and get the Nexus 6P, I bet they'll be pleasantly surprised and like it.

But for years, iPhone users switched to like a Galaxy S3 or S4, and those were just horrible, and rightly so left a bad taste in their mouth on Android.

 

[C DM]

We are still going around the same circles when everything was already addressed in the first few replies back in the beginning of the thread?

 

[convergent]

In my mind, if you haven't had a Nexus phone, you haven't used Android.

It's sad that so many iPhone users first experience with Android was most likely a Samsung Galaxy phone, and they just suck, and really tarnished the image and greatness if what vanilla Android is. Touchwiz blows.

If people that have been using iPhone's only forever, and they finally decide to try Android, and get the Nexus 6P, I bet they'll be pleasantly surprised and like it.

But for years, iPhone users switched to like a Galaxy S3 or S4, and those were just horrible, and rightly so left a bad taste in their mouth on Android.

Probably true. Unfortunately, Samsung has been one of the biggest Android sellers, at least in the US. Part of the bad taste for me is the friction against the Apple ecosystem, which came to me more in this discussion. When I already have a Mac, iPad, and Apple TV; my wife has an iPad and iPhone; and my kids all have combinations of iPhones, iPads, and Macs; me having any Android device is going to have some frustration factor to it. There are parts of the Google system I did like, and like better in some cases. I use Gmail. I liked the Google Now predictive help way more than what Siri does. But overall, that didn't outweigh the other stuff. This kind of stuff I believe will ultimately have a bigger impact on the OP's daily life than a specific tiny feature.

 

[HEK]

This whole thread and premise seem odd to me. First off, why would anyone try to convince you about which phone to use? As others have said, we don't care what phone you use. What puzzles me is why come on here and make such a comprehensive list of what you don't like. Almost like you have an agenda.

 

[angel76ph]

I apologise if my posting this thread has caused grief and verbal spats between people in here. Again, i appreciate all the advice. What i will do is go away and continue to monitor the situation, will continue to make suggestions to Apple and will hope for the best. For now i think i will keep my Android phone. Many thanks.

 

[bchreng]

Hi. Sold my iPhone 6 over a month ago I'm kinda missing it. Liked the smooth UI, gestures, speedy camera and gaming. But i still think there are many missing features which are really needed. Since iOS 9.x i could be wrong with this presumption and need your thoughts on the following:
1. No custom action centre w/ ability to add/remove toggles such as network signal toggle
2. Full stereo video recording
3. Ability to assign an mp3 file as ringtone via the music player
4. Speed dial on keypad
5. Custom equaliser on music player + louder volumes when using headphones
6. Third-party app link (e.g. Youtube, Instagram, etc.) to open in app and not in Safari
7. Queue next song ability in music player
8. Faster wireless file transfer (mp3 & mp4) from Mac to phone with or without iTunes
9. Ability to share Notes to third-parties such as Gmail, Evernote, etc.
10. Dedicated file manager on device
11. Ability to dismiss all tasks in multitasking at the same time (like Android)
12. Wide-angled photos
13. Water-resistant body coating
14. No 16GB option as it is too small
15. Bigger battery capacity
Most of these i have been suggesting for 2(!) long years and i do not know why it has not been implemented as Android have them for a while. I would like to love having an iPhone and i feel strongly for these features. I just feel Apple has not been listening to end users. Again, i could be wrong as some of them might be in iOS 9.x already or can be "found" using apps.
Also, Will i see the same notes on my Mac Notes app with Notes on an iPhone?

Any thoughts, advice or comments please?

Stick with Android. If you need "convincing" then the iPhone is obviously not the phone for you.

 

[convergent]

I apologise if my posting this thread has caused grief and verbal spats between people in here. Again, i appreciate all the advice. What i will do is go away and continue to monitor the situation, will continue to make suggestions to Apple and will hope for the best. For now i think i will keep my Android phone. Many thanks.

No need to apologize. The spatting isn't because of anything you did. There are always going to be those in a forum.

If you are truly spending time suggesting these things to Apple, I'd make a suggestion to you. First off, check your list because some of them are simply wrong... the iPhone does what you are asking already. Then, some of them are just a different way to do something, so you need to ask yourself is your way something "additional", or just a different way to do the same thing. Suggesting they don't sell a 16G phone because you think its too low is kind of silly, because they wouldn't be making them if people didn't buy them. Other sizes are offered. Then finally, think about if what you are suggesting has a snowballs chance in the hot place of ever getting done by Apple. Suggesting a file manager with full access to the file system for example. It will never happen because its counter to Apple's design and eco system. What you will be left with is maybe one or two things that are fairly trivial.

 

[lordofthereef]

A couple of these bullet points shouldn't be keeping you from the device.
No 16GB Option
There are other options, so why is this an issue?
Bigger Battery Capacity
Than what? I use both latforms and iPhones have pretty consistently outperformed in this category.
Third party sharing
Maybe I am not understanding the question, but you can absolutely download apps (such as notes apps) that share to third parties. Stock apps don't do this by default, but that is what is nice about the appstore
Speed Dial
I just use favorites for this, but again, I may be missing what exactly you want

lot of your opther points probably aren't ever to be on the horizon, starting with a dedicated filme manager. At the end of the day it's best to do a need versus want analysis and decide which platform is best for you. I can honestly say that each platform does everything I NEED, and owning to platforms is more of a choice than anything.

 

[Hieveryone]

I apologise if my posting this thread has caused grief and verbal spats between people in here. Again, i appreciate all the advice. What i will do is go away and continue to monitor the situation, will continue to make suggestions to Apple and will hope for the best. For now i think i will keep my Android phone. Many thanks.

No need to apologize. There will always be misinformed people on forums which I can't help but try and correct. That's no fault of yours. Thanks for stopping by and continue to enjoy your Android. iPhones are great for some but not for everyone. If you love android, nothing wrong with that. Good luck.

 

[C DM]

No need to apologize. There will always be misinformed people on forums which I can't help but try and correct. That's no fault of yours. Thanks for stopping by and continue to enjoy your Android. iPhones are great for some but not for everyone. If you love android, nothing wrong with that. Good luck.

Nice jab at others in that "nice" response.