You mean other than making billions of dollars in cash and showing spectacular growth?
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You mean other than making billions of dollars in cash and showing spectacular growth?
All this coming from someone with a sig exclaiming 'Flash Forever' and boycotting iOS devices. Sorry if I choose to disregard the points made by a person who believes in a defunct, arcane, obsolete and otherwise system resource hog such as Flash. You must also believe that adding human waste to your gas tank will make it run better too. Added to which you are boycotting iOS devices, presumably because of their lack of Flash. Hmm. The single most successful line of products. And their success in part because Apple refused to taint the user's experience with the crippling effect of Flash capability.
Umm... Anyone take economics?
Yeah apples stock is down but look at google and microsoft - they are down too - if you look at the last 6 months apple is down the least out of the three of them. Yeah if you want to only look at the last week sure apple is down more than microsoft but not more than google - this drop has NOTHING to do with steve jobs and everything to do with the US economy being what it is. Not enough jobs are entering the market and investors are getting glum - things arent springing back as fast as everything thought to people are starting to be a little more conservative with their money (as in saving money not the right-wingers).
Yeah apples stock is down but look at google and microsoft - they are down too - if you look at the last 6 months apple is down the least out of the three of them. Yeah if you want to only look at the last week sure apple is down more than microsoft but not more than google - this drop has NOTHING to do with steve jobs and everything to do with the US economy being what it is. Not enough jobs are entering the market and investors are getting glum - things arent springing back as fast as everything thought to people are starting to be a little more conservative with their money (as in saving money not the right-wingers).
Easy, this would make way to much sense.
Got to love the reactions one sees and reads on this board when something like this is presented.
I have a feeling we will see someone sooner then later to replace Steve J.
My investments right now have been pretty stable actually. My 401K has been pretty solid and my ROTH is kicking @ss right now. You're right the market is all over the place but that doesn't hide the fact that investors want to know what they are investing in other than the iPad and iPhone. With the influx of new Android devices new investors are looking for the next big thing. The iPad is already a big thing but whats next?
You mean other than making billions of dollars in cash and showing spectacular growth?
You mean the cash Apple can't use because of the tax loop holes they are lobbying for in order to get it?
Think what you want those that invested money wisely are doing fine. I happen to be one of them. I don't believe in getting rich quick. Id rather diversify my portfolio than waste 300 dollars a share on Apple. That 300 dollars would serve me better in my CD or my IRA.
Apple need to do a 10-1 split on their shares. This would drive the price up.
Google is hurting Apple. Google has a fanatical following. Just look at Chrome. It has already 20% market share. Safari never came over 6% share. This is with the same rendering engine. Still: people love Chrome and hate Safari.
Same thing with Android. I have met hundreds of Android users. They are fanatical about how they are best and how Apple is copies them. They have newer used an Iphone and will never buy Apple. There is no rime or reason, just great back stabbing marketing by Google.
Android is open. Apple is closed.
Closed is evil. Use Google its good.
Apple shares are under valued.
Apple has a P/E about 15.5. The problem is that people forget that Apple has 70 billion in cash. With the cash P/E is about 9.
If Apple continues to grow, like now, the P/E is about 6 in September.
Compare this with:
Google: PE16
ARM: PE 100
Amazon: PE 82
Amazon is valued almost 10 times higher then Apple.
Something is wrong.
We have loads of tech companies today with crazy P/E, just like before the .com bubble bursted. But a company that does 26+ billion in profit goes down in value?
Google is hurting Apple. Google has a fanatical following. Just look at Chrome. It has already 20% market share. Safari never came over 6% share. This is with the same rendering engine. Still: people love Chrome and hate Safari.
Same thing with Android. I have met hundreds of Android users. They are fanatical about how they are best and how Apple is copies them. They have newer used an Iphone and will never buy Apple. There is no rime or reason, just great back stabbing marketing by Google.
Android is open. Apple is closed.
Closed is evil. Use Google its good.
Apple shares are under valued.
Apple has a P/E about 15.5. The problem is that people forget that Apple has 70 billion in cash. With the cash P/E is about 9.
If Apple continues to grow, like now, the P/E is about 6 in September.
Compare this with:
Google: PE16
ARM: PE 100
Amazon: PE 82
Amazon is valued almost 10 times higher then Apple.
Something is wrong.
We have loads of tech companies today with crazy P/E, just like before the .com bubble bursted. But a company that does 26+ billion in profit goes down in value?
There hasn't been any news about Steve's health getting worse, so pointing at this subject to justify a slight decrease on the AAPL stock share (when many other important names, not just Apple's, have also gone down) I think is an erroneous assumption.
No, I was referring to all of it. Not sure why you would bring up this topic other than to throw mud.
And what does this anecdote have to do with Apple's appeal to long term investors?
Of course we want to know what's next. But we were talking about the market and if it has anything to do with the fluctuation in Apple's stock, and of course it does.
Yes, it looks interesting. But it's also years away from coming to market. It will also no doubt be a shiny new coat on the same bloated Windows platform. When Microsoft, stop, rewrite Window's from scratch. Then, I'll sit up and listen.
Plenty of competitors. But none are coming even close to market share. The iPad is the driving force behind the tablet market.
Android maybe a bigger OS eco-system, but the iPhone is still the single most popular handset on the planet.
Aren't Mac sales up something like 25% compared to last year? With the Mac outgrowing all other PC sales?
This is the only accurate part of your entire post. Though, I doubt we'll see him go fully for quite some time.
It was too much fun for him to resist of course. He also just tried to say the market had nothing to do with the fluctuations in AAPL but at least he now admits it does. Some people just feel the need to spin everything against Apple. I don't get it.
1. Please try to switch. You'll soon realize that all the fancy new Win8 stuff is nothing more than a nice frontend bolted on top of "good ol' Windows". Think auto-starting Front Row when booting up your Mac.
2. Come on. Exactly what tablet is flooring the iPad 2? Everyone but you agrees that the tablet revolution has just started. This is the beginning. Not the end.
3. Come on. Again. iPhone is still at the very top of the smartphone game. Users love their iPhones. We'll have iPhone5 (or 4S) in a few months. And iOS 5 looks damn fine (what's the Android feature that you find is killing iOS?).
4. Macs sell by the truckload. Each quarter is another record breaking quarter. And about that price: You really do get what you pay for.
5. I can't deny that. Nor confirm it. He doesn't look too good these days. But I for one still hopes he'll recover. He more than deserves that.
So you're telling me that investing in a company without knowing any future plans and prices that are astronomical per share is a worthy investment? If you had 5 grand right now would you invest it all in Apple or put it into a ROTH IRA that would make you more money than that Apple stock would? The market is crappy because people make stupid decisions investing and the comments of users on this forum about how happy they are with their 10 shares of Apple is proof that people have no clue what they are doing with their money.
My entire retirement is waiting for me in Apple Stock. To me it doesn't matter I have close to 500 shares of it purchased at 25 a share. To me the more the price goes up the better.
1) I think most people in the tech industry are not as juiced about Windows 8 as you are. Most responses I've seen (not just on Mac forums) have described it something along the lines of "Windows 7 with a WP7 dashboard". That might change closer to launch, but as of now the reception is quite tepid. Not to mention that there there is a dearth of hardware that can do the mouse+touch dance, and you are comparing something shipping in July 2011 to something shipping who-knows-when.
2) While it's arguable whether or not iPad will continue its success, I don't now anyone who can back up the argument that iPad competitors are about to take over. There are a huge number of tablets, sure. Maybe each model has sold 1,000 for a grand total of 10% of what the iPad has sold.
3) Android phones are waaay more successful than Android tablets. But even then, iOS and Android are roughly neck-and-neck. Comparing hardware to hardware, no model(s) match the iPhone line. The iPhone also ranks higher in customer satisfaction, usage, app attachment, etc. Comparing platform to platform, iOS (including iPad and Touch) is still more popular than Android. That, and they have been dealing with some quality control issues with their Market. So I give Android credit for flooding the smartphone market with numbers. But it's still quite competitive.
4) I might have believed that 2 or 3 years ago. But Macs are increasing sales despite an overall PC industry decline and bad economy. I think that theory has been disproven.
5) That's one area where I might agree with you. I think he'll stick around for quite awhile though. But the uncertainty does loom over things.
I'm pretty sure he was only joking. There's really no other explanation. Unless he hasn't been reading the news for the last couple of years and likes being wrong all the time.
Keep investing your money in AAPL then. At this point unless you can buy 100+ shares at a time you are wasting your time and money.
Fool
Wow, if you think anyone believes the crock of **** you just wrote then more fool you! Point 1 I don't believe you, points 2 - 4 absolute nonsense and a typical Apple Hater comment.
Point 5 was the only one you got right; hardly a surprise though!
Wow, if you think anyone believes the crock of **** you just wrote then more fool you! Point 1 I don't believe you, points 2 - 4 absolute nonsense and a typical Apple Hater comment.
Point 5 was the only one you got right; hardly a surprise though!
No I said it was partly to do with the overall market. You said it had nothing to do with the overall market. That is all. You were wrong on that point. Now you are trying to say I implied I'm not concerned about future direction.
No the point was that you said the market fluctuations had nothing to do with AAPL's fluctuations and that is just wrong. As I said I watch my investments.
My instinct is telling me that we are going to expect a second overall dip in the economy. We had one a few years back and I think it will be a double dip. I'm putting cash away for that time to buy stock when it is all cheap. Well once I know it is going back up anyway.
Anyway many of the hedge funds are buying into AAPL for the long run. They are the ones that fix the market anyway. The entire stock market is a scam anyway.
Tim Cook
I agree with those stating that the overall market performance has a lot to do with the share performance. It's ugly out there.
But wouldn't Tim Cook be the permanent CEO after Steve Jobs? What are the reasons why he wouldn't be?
I agree with those stating that the overall market performance has a lot to do with the share performance. It's ugly out there.
But wouldn't Tim Cook be the permanent CEO after Steve Jobs? What are the reasons why he wouldn't be?
Thats so funny because all I ever see from most of you is how Apple stock is always fluctuating and its no big deal, now its the markets fault?
Lets face facts!
If anyone saw the video of Steve presenting to the Curpetino Council, they would have seen for themselves his days are numbered!
Being blunt, Steve's illness is one that WILL ultimately kill him; and as per my comment, he didn't exactly look in the best of health!
Buy stock when Steve goes as the price plummets; and cross your fingers a year later Apple continue to re-invent! IMO, only way to secure the stock price is put Jonathan Ives in charge!
If anyone saw the video of Steve presenting to the Curpetino Council, they would have seen for themselves his days are numbered!
Being blunt, Steve's illness is one that WILL ultimately kill him; and as per my comment, he didn't exactly look in the best of health!
Buy stock when Steve goes as the price plummets; and cross your fingers a year later Apple continue to re-invent! IMO, only way to secure the stock price is put Jonathan Ives in charge!
Ok... so again... the market has nothing to with Apples stock?\
Thats terrible financial advice! The whole idea of investing is investing in something that has a sure fire return. Again, I am not knocking Apple, I am knocking the fact that people think its a good idea to just buy buy buy a 300 dollar stock based on the fact that you like the products. That money could be invested in much better things that will make you a lot more money over time.