Super Bowl Extra Large

[quagmire]

Cadillac Escalade, probably worse gas-mileage than a Jeep. We do what we can.

(I agree. But relax and have a beer.)

I am just guessing here since Cadillac doesn't seem to list the fuel economy estimates, but basing it off the Escalades twin,the Chevy Tahoe, it should get around 15/21. The closest Jeep that is similar in size of the Escalade is the Commander. It is estimated to get 16/19. The Commander beats the Escalade by 1 MPG in city, and the Escalade beats the Commander by 2 MPG in hwy driving.

Yeah, I didn't like the game. Just stayed for the commercials. Too many bad calls. But, while I didn't think the Steelers QB didn't cross the line, there wasn't enough evidence in the video footage for the refs to overturn it.

 

[zimv20]

It's good with a team which helped shape the league gets its rewards.

further, i think it's good that a franchise which is patient and loyal gets its reward. the steelers have been in the rooney family since 1933. chuck noll and bill cowher have been the only steeler coaches since 1969. that's remarkable, imo.

 

[MacNut]

This should put to bed the nonsense that Brady is the best QB I'd say Ben being the youngest to win a Superbowl ain't to shabby

 

[zimv20]

Ben being the youngest to win a Superbowl ain't to shabby

even if his play _was_ shabby. he pulled a total neal o'donnell on that 2nd interception. sheesh. it goes in the corner of the endzone, ben. the corner!

 

[yojitani]

even if his play _was_ shabby. he pulled a total neal o'donnell on that 2nd interception. sheesh. it goes in the corner of the endzone, ben. the corner!

Yeah, Ben was the biggest disappointment of the game (I say this as a Steelers fan - and a BB fan). He just didn't seem to have it together tonight. That drive he was looking better, then... After that, it was a running game. At least he performed well in all the playoff games.

He's got some way to go before he's as good as Brady.

 

[QCassidy352]

This should put to bed the nonsense that Brady is the best QB I'd say Ben being the youngest to win a Superbowl ain't to shabby

Um... what? You want to call Ben better than Brady because he happened to be on one superbowl winning team? They won that game in spite of Ben, not because of him.

Maybe once he wins 2 more and has one in which he doesn't play like a total dog you can mention him in the same breath as Brady.

 

[grapes911]

This should put to bed the nonsense that Brady is the best QB I'd say Ben being the youngest to win a Superbowl ain't to shabby

Please tell me you just for got to add a . I'm certainly not a Brady fan (I'm an obsessed Eagles fan), but in no way does winning one SB make him better than Brady. Brady at least played well in his SB appearances. Roethlisberger entered the biggest game of his life and came out looking average at best. That might even be generous. Little Ben down right struggled. The bigger the game, the more a great player shines. Roethlisberger crawled up into the fetal position and prayed that his team could carry them. Luckily for him, they did.

Now that my rant is over. Ben shows much potential and promise. I only expect him to get better. Maybe in a few years with another SB or two he will be better than Brady. But until then, he doesn't deserver to carry Brady's jock strap.

 

[zimv20]

couple things about ben vs. tom...

first, i think we must give ben credit for great play in the playoff games. he had an off game tonight (terrible, actually, i think his rating was an embarrassing 20), but he's shown he can play in big games.

second, we're comparing ben in his 2nd season to the tom of today. what if he compare ben to tom in his 2nd season? what do we get? (i don't know, i'm really asking)

tom is a great leader, plus he's got skills. his win percentage as starting QB, especially post-season, is impressive. i think ben has shown some great leadership, and it's demonstrated in _his_ win percentage as starting QB. remember that last year, ben's rookie season, the steelers were 15-1 (ben was 13-0 in his starts). it was the nerves of the big game (AFC championship) that did him in.

like it almost did tonight.

 

[zimv20]

here we go. data from here and here.

- tom is 58-20 record as a starter (.744 winning percentage).
- ben has 27-4 won/loss record as a starting quarterback in the NFL (as of 2/5/06). [.871 winning percentage]

i say one can mention the two QBs in the same sentence.

 

[grapes911]

second, we're comparing ben in his 2nd season to the tom of today. what if he compare ben to tom in his 2nd season? what do we get? (i don't know, i'm really asking)

Well, I'll tell you. Brady didn't start his first season, so entering his second season he was already behind in experience compared to Ben. In his second season, not only did Brady win the SB, but he also was the SB MVP. I'd say comparing them 2nd season to 2nd season, Brady was definitely ahead of Ben.

 

[zimv20]

In his second season, not only did Brady win the SB, but he also was the SB MVP.

okay, i wasn't sure in which season he won his first.

it's interesting about QBs, because we can compare their stats and their "leadership abilities". jim mcmahon wasn't that great a QB, but he led the bears to a very impressive superbowl win.

and what about terry bradshaw? regarded as one of the greatest QBs of all time, but his number aren't really that great. then there's peyton manning -- great numbers, but does he have what it takes to lead his team to a superbowl win? dan marino won one conference title, jim kelly won 4. who's the better QB?

we really have to look at legacies. tom brady will have a great one. it's too soon to say for ben, imo.

 

[grapes911]

it's too soon to say for ben, imo.

That is one statement that anyone with any football knowledge must agree on.

 

[MacNut]

Now just for arguments sake, What if Tom Brady was on a team like the Cardnials, would he have won all those rings or would he be just a normal QB?

 

[grapes911]

Now just for arguments sake, What if Tom Brady was on a team like the Cardnials, would he have won all those rings or would he be just a normal QB?

By that argument what if Ben was on the Cardinals? Would he have a ring? If's, if's, if's. If's don't matter. Only reality matters. In reality Brady has 3 rings, two SuperBowl MVPs, and played very well helping his team to victory in all three SBs he was in. Ben has 1 ring and played as bad a a QB can play and still be on the winning team.

 

[MacNut]

You have to take his body of work on the season not one game. Based on how he played for his first 2 seasons I would say he's on course to be a great QB.

 

[QCassidy352]

Now just for arguments sake, What if Tom Brady was on a team like the Cardnials, would he have won all those rings or would he be just a normal QB?

Oh please. No QB in the league wins rings on a poor to average team like the Cardinals. Not Ben, not Brady, not Peyton, not anyone.

As far as Roethlisberger's playoff performances: 6 games, 5-1 record. Played well in the first 3 games of this year's playoffs, played like crap in the jets game last year, cost the steelers the game against the pats last year, and played like crap again tonight. If the steelers won or lost based on how Roethlisberger played, they'd be 3-3 in his playoff games.

Both Tom and Ben have been the beneficiaries of some very good defenses and coaching. It's clear that both are very good and have bright futures. But the fact is that with the game or season on the line, Brady is probably the #1 QB in all of football that you'd want to play for you, and Ben is... somewhere in the top 10? Maybe? And that's why you can't mention them in the same breath.

 

[grapes911]

You have to take his body of work on the season not one game. Based on how he played for his first 2 seasons I would say he's on course to be a great QB.

Now that is a different argument. I'll be the first to say the kid has talent. He shows he knows how to play QB, he just didn't play it today. I think he has the potential to be a great player. I don't know if he will though. It all depends on him and the circumstances surrounding him.

But . . . the knock on Manning (and others) is that he always comes up small in big games. Well today was the biggest day in Big Ben's life and he looked more like Little Ben or Nano Ben. As long as he doesn't make a trend of this, then he'll probably have a very good career. If this is what we'll see every time he faces a big game, then he'll be no more than a "could have been."

 

[zimv20]

Now just for arguments sake, What if Tom Brady was on a team like the Cardnials, would he have won all those rings or would he be just a normal QB?

no team can make it to the superbowl on the strength of one player. brady is not a normal QB, he's very talented, both physically and mentally. it doesn't matter what team you put him on, he'll raise the level of play.

but no QB can do it alone.

roethlisberger benefits greatly from his teammates and coaches. and though he had a bad game tonight, he showed great poise in 7 straight games, including 3 tough road playoff wins. last year, he sucked in the AFC championship game. this year, he was magnificant, but then sucked in the superbowl. it would matter a lot more if they'd lost, but whatever.

imo, there are a few select teams other than pittsburgh where ben could find success. new england is one of them.

 

[zimv20]

btw, i wanted to add that ben did come through on some clutch plays tonight, mostly with some key first down scrambles. and he did convert that 3rd and 28 quite nicely.

 

[yojitani]

btw, i wanted to add that ben did come through on some clutch plays tonight, mostly with some key first down scrambles. and he did convert that 3rd and 28 quite nicely.

True. You would have thought he could see that little blue line ABC puts up for the l.o.s. ... Still, one or two good plays does not a Brady make.

 

[decksnap]

This should put to bed the nonsense that Brady is the best QB I'd say Ben being the youngest to win a Superbowl ain't to shabby

Wow- this is almost as laughable as the comment about the pads being unnecessary.

 

[zimv20]

one or two good plays does not a Brady make.

of course not. but for all the roethlisberger bashing regarding his SB performance, he still led his team to a win. and he's had two remarkable seasons.

great? not yet. promising? you bet.

 

[saunders45]

of course not. but for all the roethlisberger bashing regarding his SB performance, he still led his team to a win. and he's had two remarkable seasons.

great? not yet. promising? you bet.

The officials led the Steelers more than Roethlisberger did.

 

[quigleybc]

I’m a neutral observer with no allegiance to either team. I consider myself a knowledgeable football fan. I have to say I haven’t seen these two teams play too much this year except for the playoffs, so my comments are based on limited action. I don’t need to be told, “but that’s isn’t how he played all year”. I’m judging solely on the only game that matters, the Super Bowl. Here are my observations.

The Bus should have retied a year a go. If the hole isn’t large enough to fit a real bus through it, he can’t find it. He can’t even run over people like he once could.

Polamalu is good, but he is possibly the most overrated player in the NFL next to Vick. I expect to see a lot more from this guy because of all the hype I hear about him. So far, he hasn’t lived up to any of it.

Joey Porter should shut his mouth leading up to big games. The guy is coming up small.

Willie Parker has a lot of talent, but he has a long way to go to learn how to be a running back. Assuming he does, he is going to one heck of a player to watch.

Roethlisberger, even while having a so-so game, is a lot better than I though he was. While he isn’t producing great results, he really shows that he understand the QB position.

Hasselbeck is a good QB, but not nearly as good as I thought. Great QBs know how to take over the game. Hasselbeck doesn’t. He actually looks afraid.

Even though Alexander seems to be swarmed every time he gets the ball, he still is getting some yards on his own. I thought he was mostly a product of his line--boy was I wrong.

D. Jackson is narcoleptic. He fell asleep after the first quarter.

I thought Jerramy Stevens was an average-to-bad blocker who was a very good receiver. In reality he is a terrible blocker and an average-to-bad receiver.

Seattle’s defense is way better than anyone, including myself, gave them credit for.

Tom Rouen may only be a punter, but he really knows how to step it up in the big game. If it wasn’t for some of his kicks, this may have been a blowout.

Interesting comments, I disagree with pretty much everything, except for the positive things you said about Ben.

 

[quigleybc]

Roethlisberger entered the biggest game of his life and came out looking average at best.

Average is a lot better than McNabb looked last year...

For every bad thing Ben did, he did an equally good thing, I would say he broke even on his performance.

Running for first downs, throwing for first downs..take away the picks, and he played a good game.

It was not the Steelers best game by any means...but no one will remember the picks, or the calls, they will remember the W..

1. Hines Ward as MVP choked me up, because that guy has been coming out year after year and doing his job at a high level, with little or no recognition.
on a run first team, he never complains, he just makes plays. So for Ward, I am estatic.

2. For Bill C and Steeler fans this is amazing, I'm so happy still..I will be watching this game over and over for the next few weeks.

3. I called a blowout, and I almost got one..could of made some $, but I don't bet. Cuz betting is for suckers.

4. The Refs were not too kind to Seattle, I imagine it will be a tough pill to swallow for Seattle fans, all I can say to that, is "welcome to the club, you have a great team, and you'll be back."

5. Willie's record setting run was my highlight, and also Ike Taylor's pick..unreal..

6. I totally called the gadget play, Seattle was playing very aggresive on D, and while that will work for a while, you are just setting yourself up for big plays...and that's what happened...

7. Pittsburgh won this game on big plays, sparked by execution...I don't want to hear about the refs, because they shouldn't be a factor...

8. Hats off to Seattle, they came out and played like the NFC champs..too bad Stevens can't catch...

9. To the people that don't understand the NFL, that's ok...imagine your favorite team, after having watched and studied and obsessed for years finally getting a championship....you will at least understand the joy I feel...

10. HERE WE GO !!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it's a good day to be a Steeler fan.