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If it means waiting only a month or two, I want Skylake. I read up on that new processor's capability and it definitely sounds like it's worth a little patience.

But what I really want is a light weight 15" MacBook (with way more ports, *obviously*)...
 
My parent's 21" 2008 iMac is getting long in the tooth. High def screen and Skylake please so I can get them upgraded (especially the screen part--reading is so much easier.)
 
Certainly you jest. You know the situation:

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...itect-moores-law-will-be-dead-within-a-decade

Silicon can't scale that much more; we either need a great breakthrough or an entirely new technology.


Why should Intel be in a hurry to hit this brick wall when there's no clear alternative on the horizon? Especially when they have limited competition (in the desktop/laptop/server space). It's been pretty hard work as it is.

I keep trying to write this without sounding like I'm trying to pick a fight - but it isn't working. So to be clear - I'm honestly asking.

Do you really believe Intel (or the who industry for that matter) is showing all their cards? I haven't read enough to know...but to read the article you'd think we're about to re-enter the dark ages.

People are so split on the "nearish" future of technology it's insane. I tend to read the overly optimistic predictions, so I'm interested in hearing someone else's perspective.
 
Here's some speculation. The 15" model goes the way of the dodo and the 17" MacBook and is dropped. BOOM!

A 15" macbook is always possible, but I think the 15" will be around a while longer. You have to look at the performance between the uppermost 15" at the moment and what would be feasible on a macbook. The gap is likely to be too broad for several more years. Their entry price is $2k, so it's not likely to go the way of the 17" unless the numbers look pretty terrible. They were probably awful on the 17", outside of its preferred niches.

Well I will get flamed for this, but I want an ARM based Mac please. Apple has almost total control of the supply chain for the iphone, ipad, and Watch (well okay they seem to have no control whatsoever on the watch right now). But on the Macs, they are beholden to intel. The ARM chips are really powerful these days and I would even bet that the A8 is as powerful as some of the intel Atom chip (probably more powerful but I will play it conservative).

At this time I can't see what you would really gain from it. You probably know this, but on the intel transition some things initially ran slower than they did on a G4. It's because making a big architectural shift is difficult. If it wasn't you might have gotten your wish with the recent macbook.
 
The current rMBPs are fast enough. The OS is the limiting factor. Install Windows 8.x or even Linux and you will see how fast your machine can be under a different OS. iHope™ that OS X 10.11.x is like a Snow Leopard for the Broadwell-era.

Benchmarks please?

The underlying (popular) OS hasn't made a huge difference in most application's performance in years. And you must be running an application - even if it's a browser!


iDon't™ believe you.
 
I really hope they skip Broadwell and go to straight to Skylake.

If they can wait till Q3 or Q4 then we can have all the shinyness skylake can deliver.

Intel-Roadmap_-Skylake_Cannonlake.jpg
 
I could get on board with that...16" in the same from factor right?

I've said for a while now they may move to 12" 14" and 16" devices rather than the current 11/13/15". It just makes sense.

Apple can't be happy with having their whole Mac upgrade cycle reliant on Intel's moving targets. Surely they could use their expertise to build their own chips or just buy AMD and use their chips instead.
 
Cool. I made the mistake of buying a Macbook with only 8 GB of RAM. And since it's the first Retina, I also have awful ghosting and some lag in the UI. Might be the right time for a refresh...

How awful for such an expensive machine. Shame on apple.
 
No Broadwell update, they will wait for Skylake now and they WILL still use a discrete GPU in the top end 15" MacBook Pro.

I just pray that they stop Ive from ditching all the ports just to make it 'majestically thin and unapologetically lacking in any ports for usability'.... :rolleyes:
 
I keep trying to write this without sounding like I'm trying to pick a fight - but it isn't working. So to be clear - I'm honestly asking.

Do you really believe Intel (or the who industry for that matter) is showing all their cards? I haven't read enough to know...but to read the article you'd think we're about to re-enter the dark ages.

People are so split on the "nearish" future of technology it's insane. I tend to read the overly optimistic predictions, so I'm interested in hearing someone else's perspective.

No - Intel (and others) must have some experiments in the works, but they're not convinced of any of them yet.

If there were a clear and clever solution, someone independent would take it and run with it. So I don't think they're holding anything major back - at least not for long. Plus, I believe some of the good research is still being done in academia, and they're (generally) free of obligations to any particular company or market.


Technology advancement has really slowed down. Advancement has moved mostly to the mobile space. But mobile isn't so much "blazing a trail" as it is trying to catch up (performance and capability wise) - while miniaturizing, of course.

Even Apple can't figure out how to "break through" with anything more than incremental feature additions and improvements. When companies become just as concerned with "how green they appear on someone else's survey" as with what they're actually producing, it's a bad sign that they're not very well focused on moving forward. Or perhaps they're just not sure how - or where - to move forward.

I'm afraid more than a few companies may be feeling this way.
 
Skylake Please

I wish apple could skip broadwell and deliver with new design , force touch , touch id , SKYLAKE , and 4k . :):) am i hoping tooo much ?? :p
can someone tell me what could be the successor of 4980 HQ (used in 2014 macbook pro 15").
 
I was hoping they could make it considerably thinner & lighter, smaller overall, maybe with a new kind of keyboard that will "take some getting used to" (per just about every reviewer that reviews it), dump all the ports but maybe one (but make it a new port with hardly any third party product support (yet)), force touch, maybe a much weaker processor also in support of thinner & lighter and maybe offer it in colors like the new :apple:Watch.

Hopefully, they could do all that while keeping the pricing about where it is so they can enjoy healthy profit margins while a good chunk of us call it "the future", "just wait 2 or 3 generations" and the old "the MBA started out much like this". Don't worry Apple, we'll just attack anyone that finds any fault with any of the above, spinning anything you want to do- or leave out- better than your own paid marketing team can.

Roll out some accessories to make the one port usable but price those accessories for healthy profits too (and don't count their weight when touting "lighter" at launch).

Lastly, hopefully they could launch it in very, very short supply so that perhaps there's not even any in stores for days after it's supposed to be available.

Sounds ideal to me... even like "the future" ;)

Why the whining? What does this have to do with a possibly new MBP?
 
I really hope they skip Broadwell and go to straight to Skylake.

If they can wait till Q3 or Q4 then we can have all the shinyness skylake can deliver.

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Just wait until that gets delayed too. I don't think they should put all their Apples in the Skylake basket.

ForceTouch is important right now. They can get it on most of their products by this Fall - before Christmas. They can make virtually every improvement they want on the 15" now - except for the processor. They just proved their willingness to make partial changes with the MacBook Airs recently.

Then they can upgrade the processor later. They need continued sales right now. The later upgrade can be in 6-9 months. It can be quiet or with much fanfare - it's up to them. They don't have to decide that part right now. They should take the bird in the hand - if indeed it's about to be handed to them.
 
Mac Pro's as likely to get a WWDC announcement as the rMBP 15".
Seeing as Intel is keeping tightlipped about mobile roadmap, i'd say Computex prior to WWDC might shed some light. Either way - come WWDC, the route to upgrade should be clearer - we're waiting on Intel for now.
 
No - Intel (and others) must have some experiments in the works, but they're not convinced of any of them yet.

If there were a clear and clever solution, someone independent would take it and run with it. So I don't think they're holding anything major back - at least not for long. Plus, I believe some of the good research is still being done in academia, and they're (generally) free of obligations to any particular company or market.


Technology advancement has really slowed down. Advancement has moved mostly to the mobile space. But mobile isn't so much "blazing a trail" as it is trying to catch up (performance and capability wise) - while miniaturizing, of course.

Even Apple can't figure out how to "break through" with anything more than incremental feature additions and improvements. When companies become just as concerned with "how green they appear on someone else's survey" as with what they're actually producing, it's a bad sign that they're not very well focused on moving forward. Or perhaps they're just not sure how - or where - to move forward.

I'm afraid more than a few companies may be feeling this way.

Again, I don't profess to keep up with every aspect of technology - so this is essentially a discussion not an argument.

That said, I don't really see technological advancement slowing. Shifting? Sure! But transitional periods will eventually (quickly?) give raise to another exponential growth period.

For example, what about the significant advancements in quantum computing? Yes it's limited, and no it isn't going to be running my MBP any time soon (if ever), but it certainly has to potential to be a game changer in other sectors that will most certainly eventually influence consumer electronics.

Nano manufacturing also seems to be advancing - and that is an entirely different beast altogether. I suppose at the end of the day I think some advancement will be made in another sector (soonish) that will help keep computational growth going.

Just my 2 cents.
 
I care more about the graphics than the CPU at this point. I mean for the low, low price $2500, you can get a Mac laptop with an ancient discrete GPU. :confused: They really need to update that more often.
 
Well I will get flamed for this, but I want an ARM based Mac please. Apple has almost total control of the supply chain for the iphone, ipad, and Watch (well okay they seem to have no control whatsoever on the watch right now). But on the Macs, they are beholden to intel. The ARM chips are really powerful these days and I would even bet that the A8 is as powerful as some of the intel Atom chip (probably more powerful but I will play it conservative).

I'd rather them buy AMD for a small sum and then use Zen in future models. They would get back Jim Keller, and lots of valuable IP. Since AMD is little more than a design house now, with few outstanding contracts, they ought to be a prime target. I imagine that the x86 license should be transferable in this case.
 
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