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verizon AND AT$T are both horrible

I left verizon, got me a 2g iPhone, jailbroke and unlocked it, and am using it on T-Mobile.

Verizon can care less about their customers and their plans are ridiculously expensive. I had a problem with something when I had verizon and they did not want to try to help me or give me a credit or refund me for something legitimate. I mean I've worked in customer service, I KNOW what a ridiculous request is, and I was not making a ridiculous request. It's a long story. AT$T is ridiculously expensive as well.

With T-Mobile, I can have unlimited EVERYTHING for the same price that AT$T charges for just their basic iPhone plan (which still does not even matter since at$t only starts out at 450 minutes but tmobile's basic iphone minutes start at 500 minutes.) And best of all, I don't have to worry about being locked into a contract because T-Mobile does it month-to-month. This is good for me considering I'm unemployed due to the horrible economic standing at the moment. If I lose my job, I can just cancel my iPhone service at any time without having to worry about cancellation fees or any mumbo jumbo.
 
Hopefully it will be mostly the really heavy data users...a little less network traffic to compete with when i'm in big cities would be welcome. I've been laughing at a couple friends who seem to be deluded into thinking that Verizon is going to solve all their issues (most of which are user based), cant wait until a few weeks after launch to see all the whining thats going to inevitably happen.
 
Why are you put off ? The ITU changed their stance and officially designated LTE as 4G. Read below:
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/12/18/itu-reverses-its-decision-lte-wimax-and-hspa-are-now-4g/

"On December 6th, 2010, ITU announced that current versions of LTE, WiMax and other evolved 3G technologies that do not fulfull "IMT-Advanced" requirements could be considered "4G", provided they represent forerunners to IMT-Advanced"

It's like marketing hybrids as electric cars.
 
I have been asking all of my friends the same question.
The interesting thing is almost everyone that was NOT using the iPhone 4 says yes they would switch (due to dropped calls) But if the user already had the iPhone 4 with AT&T they are happy with the service.
Im in the same boat, since I got the iPhone 4 all of my service issues with AT&T has gone away

BUT YOU STILL HAVE A DEFECTIVE IPHONE, when iphone 5 will be out remmber that from all the iphons iphone 4 will be allwayes remmbered as the DEFECTIVE one that APPLE never fixed
 
Goodby

Wow! If 26% of the people leave AT&T, think what that will do for my connectivity. I bet they are all bandwidth hogs too. Woo Hoo.:D Since I've had AT&T for like 1 month, I won't be switching.
 
No Way

Let me see. I would lose:

1. My discount
2. My rollover minutes
3. Voice and data.
4. Network speed

All of this to switch to a company who has been fined multiple times by the FCC for billing practices. I'll pass thank you.
 
BUT YOU STILL HAVE A DEFECTIVE IPHONE, when iphone 5 will be out remmber that from all the iphons iphone 4 will be allwayes remmbered as the DEFECTIVE one that APPLE never fixed

Can you please email me immediately. I need you to explain whats wrong with my iPhone 4! I'm really concerned now! Defective? Is it going to essplode in my ear? Will I died?


:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Switch?

I've had an iPhone 3G, and now the iPhone 4. I live in LA, but travel frequently. I switched from Verizon to AT&T because they had GSM, better phones and 3G. Initially AT&T's service was horrible, although maybe not as bad as some have made it out to be. Over the last 6 months I have seen major improvements in AT&T's network in terms of speed (HSPA+ is definitely paying off) and overall reliability.

If I didn't already have unlimited data with AT&T, I would definitely choose Verizon over AT&T for that reason alone. But, with Verizon's slower network speeds and inability to talk and surf at the same time, unless you have horrible service in your area, I can't see breaking your contract to switch to Verizon.

The real question for me is going to be how well both networks support LTE (assuming that a year and a half from now Apple will make an iPhone that supports LTE) and pricing for mobile hotspot access (but there is a jailbreak for that, although I would prefer not to).

I hope enough people go with Verizon to alleviate congestion on AT&T's network, and to show AT&T how important investing in their network is. Competition is always good. But the real question for me wont be answered until 2012.

And for people droning on about the antennae: seriously, there is some truth to what you say, but in practical use it really doesn't affect performance from my experience, and the signal is still far superior from anything I experienced on my 3G.

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I'm an airline pilot, and have used the AT&T iPhone, since it's inception, in nearly every state in the Union. 3G or voice reliability/quality has never been an issue for me. Have I had dropped calls? of course. But at no greater amount than I did on my Verizon phone I used to own. Both, totally acceptable. And when Verizon adds millions more subscribers, they will have an increase in reliability issues and hits on their bandwidth as well.

But when it comes to completing a call while simultaneously using data, CDMA is 100% unreliable. For me, that matters more than maybe a couple more dropped calls per 100, that AT&T may experience. But hey, switch. It will motivate AT&T to lower rates, and it will reduce system load for those us that remain with AT&T.
 
Sorry, you obviously don't have a clue.

Voice quality is different between them. Neither one is far superior, or even consistently better. The codecs are different and both have their strengths and weaknesses. Both also have multiple quality settings carriers can use to trade off between quality and network capacity.

Security is an issue in GSM, there are known weaknesses. But listening to your calls is hardly the project of "any wannabe hacker" - it's still VERY, VERY secure by any normal person's standards. Intercepting GSM calls is not feasible in the real world despite well-publicized weaknesses in the encryption (which I'm SURE is what you're referring to... here's a hint - news headlines like "GSM call hacked with $15, 3 minutes" are great at getting readers, but horrible at telling the truth. Sure, 15 dollars, 3 minutes, the phone number and approximate physical location of the person, a rainbow table [list of millions of possible keys], many hours of engineering work into the sniffer phone that is far from being an off the shelf phone, and a bunch of other stff).

Also, GSM has been largely replaced by UMTS (GSM 3G) which doesn't have the same encryption vulnerability. Which is pretty meaningless unless some VERY skilled, resourceful hackers are targeting you. Compare to how easy it is to bug a landline - anyone can do it, easily.

Hardly matters when the NSA intercepts all calls in the US anyway. Everyone is a wikileak away from having their calls on the internet anyway.
 
Hardly matters when the NSA intercepts all calls in the US anyway. Everyone is a wikileak away from having their calls on the internet anyway.

Yes, I'm sure there are darkened rooms within the NSA filled with hundreds of people listening to and interpreting the billions of phone conversations people in the US have everyday. Actually sounds like a good way to eliminate unemployment here.
 
Hardly matters when the NSA intercepts all calls in the US anyway. Everyone is a wikileak away from having their calls on the internet anyway.

So you must also believe that the NSA has a back door into the GSM/CDMA encryption too. Who would listen to all those calls?

Three billion phone calls are made every day in the US, which breaks down to 34,722 per second.

Then how are they going to tap all the landlines too?

Cracking GSM encryption and how difficult and impractical it is. <<MP3 link.
 
I'm an airline pilot, and have used the AT&T iPhone, since it's inception, in nearly every state in the Union. 3G or voice reliability/quality has never been an issue for me. Have I had dropped calls? of course. But at no greater amount than I did on my Verizon phone I used to own. Both, totally acceptable. And when Verizon adds millions more subscribers, they will have an increase in reliability issues and hits on their bandwidth as well.

OK, you live in Cincinnati, so this will be relatively easy. Walk into any building on the University Hospital or Cincinnati Children's campus (we're talking multiple whole city blocks) and try to make a phone call or surf the net. You will not be able to. There's your first experience of no service with AT&T, apparently. But, before you leave the building, look around and you'll see all these people talking on their cellphone. Strange, right? They all have something in common though, they all have Verizon.
 
So you must also believe that the NSA has a back door into the GSM/CDMA encryption too. Who would listen to all those calls?
Three billion phone calls are made every day in the US, which breaks down to 34,722 per second.

Then how are they going to tap all the landlines too?

Cracking GSM encryption and how difficult and impractical it is. <<MP3 link.

I got just one word for you. Robots. And they're not just on the NSA campus, they're everywhere. Watch your back.
 
Mmmmm, surveys like this aren't ever reliable. Why? Its like asking people "hey, if a new MacBook Pro came out, would you buy one?" Many people would say "sure, why not?" But the reality is that financial concerns, effort required to cancel AT&T, port your number, and sign up for Verizon, etc would likely drastically lower the conversion rate.

You can't take polls like this seriously.
 
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I'll stick with AT&T

1. I've had to call them once, and had excellent customer service. Really. Do you hear that Qwest?

2. I've only had 2 dropped calls. I'm not lieing.

3. I've never been out of 3G range, but then again I'm rarely out of the Mpls Metro with it. I even had 3G at a friend's who lives in the country. She doesn't even get a signal there with her T-Mobile service.

4. I find having voice and data simultaneously useful. :p
 
Walk into any building on the University Hospital or Cincinnati Children's campus (we're talking multiple whole city blocks) and try to make a phone call or surf the net. You will not be able to.

Many hospitals have policies that people are not to use mobile phones on their campuses due to their sensitive equipment. Are they jamming you?

Now that I think about it, the only place I haven't been able to get a signal is on the elevators at work. BFD. People who talk on their phones in elevators are bores.
 
1. I've had to call them once, and had excellent customer service. Really. Do you hear that Qwest?

2. I've only had 2 dropped calls. I'm not lieing.

3. I've never been out of 3G range, but then again I'm rarely out of the Mpls Metro with it. I even had 3G at a friend's who lives in the country. She doesn't even get a signal there with her T-Mobile service.

4. I find having voice and data simultaneously useful. :p

1. AT&T does have, in my experiences, awesome customer service. They are always polite, friendly, and helpful. Maybe its because I have business care through my FAN

2. Dropped calls are rarely an issue for me either, it happens, but its rare

3. Minneapolis does have a great 3G reception. I attend college in Duluth (2 hours north of Minneapolis) and AT&T just rolled out 3G up here recently. Great signal and good speeds
 
Looks like Android hasn't been that much of a threat to iphone as thought. And now there is an additional iphone carrier...


Android Hasn't Been Hurting The iPhone -- It's Been Hurting RIM
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Android-Hasnt-Been-Hurting-siliconalley-2479264316.html?x=0&.v=3
Dan Frommer, On Friday January 14, 2011, 11:16 am EST

"...

But if you look at the data, it's not the iPhone that has necessarily suffered the most from Android's rise. It's RIM and the BlackBerry.

..."
 
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