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Do you know the word "opinion"? Are you that insecure? If I just say I don't like mac computers, do you have to put down the other system to prove that you made the right choice? Do you like your computer because you paid a little more?

Maybe you should look up the word "Opinion" because that's exactly what I gave, and maybe you should look check out your own post before you call someone else "insecure", your post I quoted here just shows who's insecure. :p
 
Service packs fix bugs.

And add features, just like an OS upgrade.


You will never see a full version upgrade of the kernel with a service pack.

You don't necessarily see a full version upgrade of the kernel with a new OS version.

Windows 2000, Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 are all Windows NT Version 5.

Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows Server 2008 are all Windows NT Version 6.


On a typical late night at the Starbucks on the NYU Campus, it is not uncommon to hit 100% Mac laptops in a crop of 12-15 students.

No comment ;)
 
4 years later it's still fun.
Apple is dead in the water for me. I'll probably keep my Macbook until it dies and figure out what to do then.

I should purchase a newer notebook for my upcoming vacation but options are limited for the amount I want to spend to run Bad Company 2 for 3 weeks out of country.
 
windows 7 (UI) is not that bad.

But it is a horribly inconsistent mess; you't can't expect Microsoft to do something about third parties but all the system components should at least be on the same page. Take a look at the control panel for instance; a pigs breakfast of different controls, UI paradigms, and so on. The problems I find superficially represent a larger problem - Microsoft doesn't give a crap when it comes to fit and finish. If it compiles, ship it seems to be the motto.
 
None of those changed my computing experience (except for introducing new and unacceptable bugs). These are really service-pack level enhancements, but they were packaged into a "new" operating system.

Steve Jobs himself even mentioned that people have been taken off OSX development and put into iphone development. Normally we would have heard about 10.7 at WWDC. Not surpassingly, not a single word was said about it, which makes me suspicious that they're not really developing anything.

"service-pack level enhancements" ?? I don't see Microsoft adding 64-bit support to XP or newer without buying another version.

And before anyone starts on me, I OWN a Dell (Windows 7 x64), Toshiba laptop, PowerBook G4 and a PowerMac G4. Plus I maintain 3 servers of which two are Xserves (10.4 and 10.6) and also maintain almost 400 various Windows based machines...So yes I consider myself "in the know"
 
I don't see Microsoft adding 64-bit support to XP or newer without buying another version.

You "don't see" because you "didn't look". Microsoft offered an XP x86 to XP x64 upgrade for the shipping and handling cost of the x64 media. http://www.neoseeker.com/news/4575-windows-xp-32-bit-to-64-bit-exchange-program/

Also note that "All packaged retail editions of Windows 7 (except for Home Basic) include both 32- and 64-bit software." So much for the "have to buy" FUD argument.

Besides, since Apple has been bragging about having "64-bit computers" since long before it actually had any 64-bit code running, you could look at the 10.5 and 10.6 64-bit changes as "bug fixes" on the sorry 64-bit support in 10.4.
 
For an Asian perspective:
Here in Korea I'd personally guess about 2-3% of students have macs, which is 2-4x the average for the whole country (macs have a <1% market share here overall, due to high price and official government policy mandating active-x for certain things). Almost all students carry windows-based netbooks.

Secondly, I couldn't imagine taking notes on any computer; how could I draw quick diagrams or join ideas with lines? But many people don't seem to have this problem.
 
For an Asian perspective:
Here in Korea I'd personally guess about 2-3% of students have macs, which is 2-4x the average for the whole country (macs have a <1% market share here overall, due to high price and official government policy mandating active-x for certain things). Almost all students carry windows-based netbooks.

Secondly, I couldn't imagine taking notes on any computer; how could I draw quick diagrams or join ideas with lines? But many people don't seem to have this problem.

I've heard that in South Korean it is an ActiveX nightmare because of a paranoia about 'security'. Oh well, could be worse I guess - maybe AIR or Silverlight will catch on thus making life easier.
 
THESE are the polls that keep the M$ team up at night. The brand-loyalty choices are made permanent in college. These kids are going to grow up and run companies and staff IT departments. Ballmer should be worried. This is a snapshot of what you'll see nationwide in 20 years.


I have finally come to the conclusion that Ballmer is not smart enough to be worried.
 
At my university, I feel like 75%+ of students have macs. The people in my classes whom I've come across who don't have them is usually due to either a) money, b) they're stuck in the "MACS SUCK LOLZ" mentality, or c) they purchased their computer sometime before college. Granted, my school is rather... on the pricey side, so it's probably not the best one to measure by.

Which sorta reminds me: I've come across a few people who say "BUT ISN'T THERE NO WORD FOR MAC?", I /facepalm and proceed to show them OpenOffice.org.
 
Think different? Too bad most all of them will have to learn Windows when they find job.

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Moot point, as it's more likely that the vast majority of them have switched from Windows.
 
I was going to get a mac for college but decided on a PC instead (yes I jumped to the dark side). Mainly because I have a limited budget ($1000), secondly, because most people recommended getting a PC due to my major (Civil Engineering). And lastly, I want a good graphics card on my computer xD.

I am very happy with my Phenom II n930 with a Radeon HD 5650 graphics card. It might not be the best computer out there, and I would surely love to have a 15' inch macbook pro. But in all honestly, I would take this computer over the base line 13' macbook "pro" any day. (not just because of the performance, but mostly because of the $450 price difference).

Perhaps one day apple will give us the option between AMD and intel :<
 
My laptop in college (05-09) was a 166Mhz Toughbook CF-25 running NT4. Switched from a ~2.8GHz Toshiba with XP and never looked back. Brilliant machine that I still use occasionally today, and IMO NT4 was pretty much the pinnacle of all things Microsoft--even on those low stats, with Office 2k installed the thing positively screamed (at least compared to computers with XP and Vista and 20x the power). 'Course, I hadn't really used a Mac since OS 7, though, so I hadn't even given an Apple serious consideration. Close to graduating I was in a situation where I had a MacBook issued to me for a few months, and that was that.
 
Mac seems winning against Win in North America, but Microsoft have earned customer trust around the world. Apple support for right to left languages is very weak and that issue is going to make Microsoft Windows dominant software for large markets; such as India and Middle East.

For instance, Mac has no support for Arabic, which means apple give up huge market share to Microsoft. Moreover, Windows programs can be hacked easily, which increase its popularity and made ME market fully dominant by Win. By spreading culture that you can use software that you don't have to pay for it; it is quit impossible to gain market share for apple.

At the end, Apple is winning at the biggest market in the World.
 
Mac seems winning against Win in North America, but Microsoft have earned customer trust around the world. Apple support for right to left languages is very weak and that issue is going to make Microsoft Windows dominant software for large markets; such as India and Middle East.

For instance, Mac has no support for Arabic, which means apple give up huge market share to Microsoft. Moreover, Windows programs can be hacked easily, which increase its popularity and made ME market fully dominant by Win. By spreading culture that you can use software that you don't have to pay for it; it is quit impossible to gain market share for apple.

At the end, Apple is winning at the biggest market in the World.

I'm glad you mentioned this. A lot of people forget that there is more to the world than just the United States and Europe. In Brazil (where I lived most of my life) I only recall seeing a Mac once. The base model Macbook Pro costs R$3800 (over $2200 US dollars). Minimum wage there is R$520.

Thats just one example. If Apple's goal was really to extend its global market share they would aggressively tackle emergent/densely populated markets, such China, India, Brazil, Russia, Mexico, South Korea, and the Middle East. But it seems that apple likes being an elite-only brand. Either way, all of the other iDevices are doing pretty well globally.
 
I'm glad you mentioned this. A lot of people forget that there is more to the world than just the United States and Europe. In Brazil (where I lived most of my life) I only recall seeing a Mac once. The base model Macbook Pro costs R$3800 (over $2200 US dollars). Minimum wage there is R$520.

Thats just one example. If Apple's goal was really to extend its global market share they would aggressively tackle emergent/densely populated markets, such China, India, Brazil, Russia, Mexico, South Korea, and the Middle East. But it seems that apple likes being an elite-only brand. Either way, all of the other iDevices are doing pretty well globally.

You are lucky since you've saw someone have a Mac; For me; I am the only one in the class who has a Mac!
Unfortunately, apple prices are insulting for the market you've mentioned, especially for students, who barely could offer University fees in these countries. First time I looked at MBA, I thought it will target these markets, but when I saw its price, I've realized apple is targeting the largest market in the world rather than populated markets.
One of famous shop in my country; which sells apple products; has installed Win7 in their Mac to convince people that it can run Win 64bit and handle all softwares. It is very disappointing to see them use Microsoft product to market Apple's Laptop and it shows weak marketing strategy for Mac in ME.
For devices; I completely agree with you. Apple sells devices like hell. I remembered, first time iphone was introduced in my country; I've seen it every where and same may go for iphone 4.
 
I think that this starts showing what the companies of the future will be like. A much larger percentage of them running on Macs.

Just a guess.
 
Depends. I would hate to be an engineering student, CS major, graphics designer, or video major, stuck with a 13" Macbook Pro, let alone a whitebook.

Could you explain this please? I am an engineering student. I have a 13" Macbook Pro. So do all of my engineering friends. They work fantastically for what we do. In fact, most of the computers I've seen in any of my engineering classes are Macs. Although I did see a Windows 7 machine in one of my classes once, although it had a blue screen of death for roughly 80% of the class. And ALL of the computers in my design classes are Macs. I've never seen a PC in those classes EVER. So, why would you hate to be an engineering student or graphics design student with a Mac?

D4F said:
I really would like to find out why people like to pay more. Really. no flame no crap. What drives you to pay more for less. It's a marketing miracle.

When I first started in college, I bought an Alienware laptop for around $1800. About three weeks after the 1 year warranty ended, it completely died. I was told it would cost me a minimum of $1200 to get it fixed, so instead I spent that on a MBP. My MBP never freezes, and never has problems. I've owned it for well over a year now and it is still working. It also plays video games at a higher FPS than my Alienware, which was BUILT FOR GAMING. So really, my answer to your question, is actually another question: Why do people always say Macs are less computer?

Maybe on paper a Mac has worse specs than a similarly priced PC, but it runs BETTER. We pay more, because we get more. It's like comparing two cars based on their horsepower. Just because one car has more horsepower, doesn't mean it is faster. It's all about how it uses the power. And how it is built.
 
Apple is dead in the water for me. I'll probably keep my Macbook until it dies and figure out what to do then.

I should purchase a newer notebook for my upcoming vacation but options are limited for the amount I want to spend to run Bad Company 2 for 3 weeks out of country.

Too bad for you.
 
I just did. How has your OSX experienced improved since 2007?

Faster on the same hardware, easier to use, more functionality. Judging by your bitterness either your experience hasn't improved or you don't even use OS X. In either case perhaps you should switch?
 
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