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Survey Suggests 'iPhone 6s' Could Outsell iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus

ParanoidDroid said:
I might upgrade IF:

  • the protruding camera lens is gone
  • the ugly antenna bands get thinner
  • the bend ability gets fixed
  • The A9 SoC gets 2GB RAM

or I break my iPhone 5s accidentally :D

BUT(!) it fell down 6 stories already, and is yet still working without any crack in the display.
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The 2GB wasn't in the SOC, there was no bendability, never was (ask the 200M+ people who now own those phones...), only way it doesn't protrude is if they make the phone thicker (for the same sensor size and resolution), or they decrease resolution (unlikely).
 
Bloody surveys ....

Their only useful for stats done *at the time*..... When asked, people could lie, tell the truth, but tomorrow switch to Android, and the stats would be incorrect.

Big phone = people want...... No need to be a rocket science expert to figure that one out.
 
I will buy one only if it shaves off another fraction of a mm because, you know, that is so much more important than battery life. :rolleyes:
 
Menopause said:
All I care about is 2GB RAM.
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RAM is irrelevant. There's a reason other phones have had lots of RAM for years yet still only match the performance of the iPhone. It's called software optimisation - Software speaking to the hardware, internal harmony and well designed architecture. You should be more concerned about the software. And the camera... always the camera.
 
rohitp said:
I will buy one only if it shaves off another fraction of a mm because, you know, that is so much more important than battery life. :rolleyes:
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It's going to be slightly bigger in all directions due to the implementation of Force-Touch!
 
Cuban Missles said:
Actually, I almost always upgrade every year. Upgraded 3g to 3GS to 4S to 5 to 5S to 6.

This year, unless there is something awesome about the 6s, I will probably skip. Apple took a huge bite out of me with two new iPad Air 2 and two new apple watches. But then again, I said I would wait on the watch and somehow they got me anyway. I guess we shall see what happens in the fall.
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Why do you upgrade every year? Do you only take out 12 month contracts or buy the phones outright? It's better to stay in the 'S' cycle, as new numbered phones tend to only change shape and offer nothing but incremental spec upgrades to their predecessors. The 4S got Siri, the 5S got Touch-ID, the 6S will get Force-Touch. From experience, people like to stay on number changes because of the design changes - as a fashion accessory you can show others that you clearly have the new phones, whereas it's hard to tell if you have an S model. Not accusing you of that at all but you get what I mean, haha.
 
EarleyRob said:
RAM is irrelevant. There's a reason other phones have had lots of RAM for years yet still only match the performance of the iPhone. It's called software optimisation - Software speaking to the hardware, internal harmony and well designed architecture. You should be more concerned about the software. And the camera... always the camera.
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No, people should be concerned about the RAM. The software can be as optimized as possible, and 1GB of RAM is still holding the phone back. Seriously, that's pretty much my biggest complaint about my 6+, the fact that the meager RAM means more apps (and Safari) refreshes. It isn't as bad as the S6, thankfully, but it isn't as good as the Nexus 6 in terms of ability to not have to refresh.

Let's not keep the same RAM on the myth of "more optimization is always possible and will fix everything".
 
EarleyRob said:
Why do you upgrade every year? Do you only take out 12 month contracts or buy the phones outright? It's better to stay in the 'S' cycle, as new numbered phones tend to only change shape and offer nothing but incremental spec upgrades to their predecessors. The 4S got Siri, the 5S got Touch-ID, the 6S will get Force-Touch. From experience, people like to stay on number changes because of the design changes - as a fashion accessory you can show others that you clearly have the new phones, whereas it's hard to tell if you have an S model. Not accusing you of that at all but you get what I mean, haha.
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The truth is that I give my 1-year old phone to my wife and then trade her 2-year old phone every year. I am a bit of a fan-boy and like to have the latest toy. But this year I am thinking that the force touch is not going to be enough of a draw. It does not do much for me on the watch either. Nice, but not awesome.

No major innovation like Apple pay, got to have camera, Touch ID, etc. again, they indeed may announce something that blows me over (they usually do). It just that force touch won't blow me over at this point.
 
TechGod said:
I don't know you reached 100 pounds for all of that stuff...did you bother to factor in R&D? do you know 100 pounds per iPhone is not accurate AT ALL?!?!?!?
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It is, I work in market, trend and forecast analysis, so of course we have a survey of each products overall cost to calculate the margin per products...

R&D is the dumb argument of blind apologist who don't know anything about R&D, costs or manufacture.
 
The older of my two phones (I have monthly accounts in both UK and France), a 32GB model 5 is coming up for replacement. However I just don't want a phablet either 4.7" or 5.5", as they are both too big. A 4" screen is just perfect for me but I want a metal not a plastic phone, so a 6C, if it comes out is unlikely to fill the bill either. I cannot imagine I am alone in wanting a high quality smart phone, with the latest facilities, fastest processor and a good camera but not wanting something that does not fit in my pocket or comfortably in my hand. Given Apple's level of available models and customisation of their watch, I am surprised they do not offer more variations for their phone.
 
wilsonlaidlaw said:
The older of my two phones (I have monthly accounts in both UK and France), a 32GB model 5 is coming up for replacement. However I just don't want a phablet either 4.7" or 5.5", as they are both too big. A 4" screen is just perfect for me but I want a metal not a plastic phone, so a 6C, if it comes out is unlikely to fill the bill either. I cannot imagine I am alone in wanting a high quality smart phone, with the latest facilities, fastest processor and a good camera but not wanting something that does not fit in my pocket or comfortably in my hand. Given Apple's level of available models and customisation of their watch, I am surprised they do not offer more variations for their phone.
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They ought to upgrade the 5S with Apple Pay and at least the A8 chip.
It would be a great choice for all the customers out there who need a new phone and don't like phablets
 
JustThinkin' said:
It's a pain to scan every other post to see whether it was mentioned, especially when you have a simple observation. How do you think the new format led to the problem?

Anyway, it's a crazy bit of "breaking news, isn't it?"
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I read to the end and didn't see your post. I then had a notification that you had responded but you posted 14 min earlier, so in this instance it seemed like I was in a forum time warp.

In other news, 100% of existing iPhone customers have not switched to the iPhone 7.
 
teslo said:
makes sense. most people i know with apple phones like to wait for the S models to upgrade. it's not a mystery anymore - which ones have the best features and least amount of hardware problems.
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Exactly. I'm on the S model cycle since the 4S. Let others debug a new design. My 5S is fine. will be getting the 6S!
 
wizard said:
Yep! I had to laugh because when I say the article that was my first thought. At this point there are many posts to this thread already but to see your post the very first thing just filled me with joy.

Frankly I'm still sitting on an iPhone 4 because buying a device with 1 GB of RAM just feels silly to me. That and the need for Apple to get wise about flash pricing.
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Haha you're welcome. Wow, from iPhone 4 to 6s would be a sweet upgrade!
 
EarleyRob said:
RAM is irrelevant. There's a reason other phones have had lots of RAM for years yet still only match the performance of the iPhone. It's called software optimisation - Software speaking to the hardware, internal harmony and well designed architecture. You should be more concerned about the software. And the camera... always the camera.
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All of what you said is perfectly true, but after all the optimization we're at a point right now where the iPhone 6 Plus just needs more RAM. For example, and my biggest gripe, Apple has assigned just 40MB of the current 1GB to 3rd party keyboards. This little RAM makes them unstable and crash every now and then. Over time multitasking becomes slow, camera shutter lags, and every once in a while some app causes Springboard to crash and restart. All of these can be fixed with some more memory.
 
flat five said:
you're not really penalized for upgrading an iphone during the two year contract.. if you drop out early, the 'penalty' you pay is the remainder of the cost of the subsidized phone.
(or, saying this another way.. when you get your iphone for $200 with a 2year contract, you don't really get the phone for $200.. you still have to pay the full $700 or whatever)
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You're right, and penalized wasn't the right word for me to use. I would still hazard to say that most customers wait until they have paid off the cost of their current phone in equal monthly payments (rather than paying off the remainder early) no matter how cool the new features in a phone might be. Accordingly, most people stick to the upgrade cycles as designed by the carriers rather than getting a new phone when they see new features they want.

Part of this also has to do with the fact that iPhones seem to become interminably slow at the two year mark. It's like a switch has been flicked. The battery is also an issue at that point as well.
 
I'm thinking a spec bump (A9, more RAM, front/rear camera upgrades, maybe even the rumored front-facing flash and sapphire glass) and force touch would be plenty to get people to upgrade.

I'll probably stick with the 6 Plus for now, but it definitely feels starved of RAM.
 
SteveBlobs said:
You're right, and penalized wasn't the right word for me to use. I would still hazard to say that most customers wait until they have paid off the cost of their current phone in equal monthly payments (rather than paying off the remainder early) no matter how cool the new features in a phone might be.
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yep.. at least in my case, that's true.. i've yet to get a new phone while still owing money on a previous one.. and have never bought one outright without it being subsidized.
 
Edgar Spayce said:
It is, I work in market, trend and forecast analysis, so of course we have a survey of each products overall cost to calculate the margin per products...

R&D is the dumb argument of blind apologist who don't know anything about R&D, costs or manufacture.
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So you work at a company full of people who guess things based on not having the full information?
 
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pacalis said:
I read to the end and didn't see your post. I then had a notification that you had responded but you posted 14 min earlier, so in this instance it seemed like I was in a forum time warp.

In other news, 100% of existing iPhone customers have not switched to the iPhone 7.
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I see - even when you're diligent, you get caught! I scanned the messages quickly before I posted. Fortunately, I didn't get caught.

And thanks for the new survey info - I think I'll make a story out of it!
 
EarleyRob said:
RAM is irrelevant. There's a reason other phones have had lots of RAM for years yet still only match the performance of the iPhone. It's called software optimisation - Software speaking to the hardware, internal harmony and well designed architecture. You should be more concerned about the software. And the camera... always the camera.
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They day computers don't need RAM, well ... that will really be something.

It's called optimization for a reason - because it simply optimizes (slightly reduces) resource usage. I don't care whether it reduces memory usage by 20% or 70% - it's still a limited resource and you're going to run out at some point. I've been amazed at the near-miracles Apple and Microsoft have been able to pull off lately, e.g. reducing the memory footprints of their desktop operating systems. But they must be getting close to the limits (of what they can reasonably do) now. I expect it's similar in the mobile space.

Reducing RAM usage in software is great. But they've already done that. Now it's time to concede the fact that hardware resources must be increased once again, returning to the normal hardware improvement cycles.


With 2GB RAM Apple will be able to support split-screen multitasking (should they choose to). It's only promised for the iPad Air 2 so far (the only iDevice with 2GB RAM). I'm sure it's not feasible with only 1GB RAM.


So yeah, I want 2GB!
 
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iPhone 6s leaked.
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