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Switched from Macbook Pro to Framework?

maflynn said:
I agree, most people are not professionals that need photoshop Conversely, most Photoshop users are professionals and applications likes of Gimp will not be satisfactory,
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And I never implied that graphics professionals would be. People switching to Linux and a Framework Pro probably aren't graphics professionals either, or they'll keep another computer for work.
 
dmr727 said:
I've been on the cusp of this for a long time. I think it's people that are tired of the MacOS/Windows duopoly and want a native Linux laptop. Framework seems to do a good job of making sure the typical Linux distros work well on their hardware, but the hardware's not cheap.
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MacOS has a 14% market share; are you really considering that a "duopoly"? It's quite clearly still a windows monopoly...
 
Contact_Feanor said:
MacOS has a 14% market share; are you really considering that a "duopoly"? It's quite clearly still a windows monopoly...
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I wonder what the percentage would be when you remove all the folks running Windows in cube farms at work? I'm not part of that world, so it feels a lot more even when looking at everyone's laptops while I'm out and about.

Regardless, there are only two mainstream options, and both are going down 'en*****ification' paths that I'm not happy about. Years ago Windows pushed me towards Apple with their increasing bloat, telemetry, and pushing of services that I wasn't interested in. I naively thought Apple would resist this garbage because they were 'a hardware company.'

Obviously I was wrong. They're still not as bad as Windows, but the trend is clearly headed in the wrong direction. So what's left? Linux.
 
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dmr727 said:
I wonder what the percentage would be when you remove all the folks running Windows in cube farms at work? I'm not part of that world, so it feels a lot more even when looking at everyone's laptops while I'm out and about.

Regardless, there are only two mainstream options, and both are going down 'en*****ification' paths that I'm not happy about. Years ago Windows pushed me towards Apple with their increasing bloat, telemetry, and pushing of services that I wasn't interested in. I naively thought Apple would resist this garbage because they were 'a hardware company.'

Obviously I was wrong. They're still not as bad as Windows, but the trend is clearly headed in the wrong direction. So what's left? Linux.
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Exactly.

I'm done with corps when at all possible. I will learn a new work flow to get away from ms apple Adobe etc. Give the little guy my money if I like their offerings. I only buy used vehicles off locally owned used dealerships now. I try to shop local when at all possible and buy refurbished and used when I can.

As much of my money I can keep from gojng to the mega wealthy I'm doing it.
 
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lots of luck with 'done with corps' especially if you include LLCs. I enjoy this 'tirad' or discussion simply because it exposes the various tensions that exist within 'professions' (disclaimer I'm retired and was a mathematician - so not a professional in some senses) between producing an at least sufficient product and meeting some societal goals. good luck with this - I don't expect a general agreement but the paths may eventually converge
 
Contact_Feanor said:
MacOS has a 14% market share; are you really considering that a "duopoly"? It's quite clearly still a windows monopoly...
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Where does that statistic come from? Be interesting to compare it with Android/iOS users...suspect the vast majority of people could do a lot of their computing tasks without going near desktop Linux, Windows or macOS
 
glen-the-grey said:
Where does that statistic come from? Be interesting to compare it with Android/iOS users...suspect the vast majority of people could do a lot of their computing tasks without going near desktop Linux, Windows or macOS
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Here:https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide

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Yes, if you're including mobile operating systems, that will change the percentages
 
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chars1ub0w said:
This seems kinda strange to me. Presumably, these people are choosing to upgrade an older M-series MacBook Pro, not to a M5, but to a Framework 13" Pro with Ubuntu pre-loaded? Why not simply run Ubuntu in WSL under Windows 11? That way, you gets Windows apps (e.g. Office and Adobe) as well as Linux-specific code running with a small performance hit.
On macOS, you get Office and Adobe running under macOS, and most Linux-specific code can be compiled under macOS too.
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I would not at all want windows. So no point in purchasing a laptop with Windows preinstalled (including MS tax)
 
DHagan4755 said:
This is funny to me. 1/3 of how many people? 1,000?
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Exactly. If growth numbers aren’t very high, then fractions or percentages are used.

“We doubled our amount of users”, “We had 300% user growth”, etc

Numbers you can be proud of are usually expressed how they are.

“Users grew from one million to two million.”
 
I like Framework laptops and I’ve played with their configurator quite a lot. Linux isn’t an issue either.

But those prices go up so fast when I add some ram or ssd, and that was already the case before the ram shortage. I quite like the entire hobby/upgrading vibe surrounding Framework but their pricing certainly isn’t in the I-bought-a-second-hobby-laptop-for-some-linux-hacking bracket.
 
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chars1ub0w said:
... with Ubuntu pre-loaded? Why not simply run Ubuntu in WSL under Windows 11? That way, you gets Windows apps (e.g. Office and Adobe) as well as Linux-specific code running with a small performance hit.
On macOS, you get Office and Adobe running under macOS, and most Linux-specific code can be compiled under macOS too.
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My thoughts:
I do not care for Windows and would not want installed on my computer. Linux is superior.
Office is the most overrated suite in software history. Plus there's open source and closed source alternatives.
Likewise, Adobe I view as a predatory company and no longer use their products.
 
salamanderjuice said:
There's a ton of alternatives that are cheap or even free, GIMP, Pixelmator, Krita, Paint.net, Affinity Photo, etc. Photoshop is powerful but it's also expensive, for some use cases it's not even the best choice. For making comics for example I'd rather use Clip Studio Paint because it has tools and features geared for that and it's way cheaper. Most people don't need all the power of Photoshop to justify the price.
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Yeah I love gimp; been using it since the 90s. Many people say Gimp is too hard to use compared to Photoshop. But if they had been using Gimp since the 90s like me, I would assure them this is not the case. Just gotta become comfortable about the application, like any application.
 
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chars1ub0w said:
The reason to put up with Windows 11 bloat is the ability to access a vast catalog of apps.
Linux has only a small fraction of that. You get the best of both worlds by running WSL on Windows 11.
In the old days, we used to partition our drives so we could dual boot our Windows PCs.
But it was always a pain in the butt to reboot when you needed to run a Windows app.
WSL used to be flaky, but WSL2 (now just WSL) seems rock solid.
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My profession is working on Linux software for hardware devices. Due to various reasons, our only option are Windows laptops running WSL2. Ugh dude I'd take a framework running actual Linux ANY DAY over that garbage.

Even on my gaming PC I run linux. If I need to mess with big name commercial software, I have my mac studio and a macbook air. For gaming, the linux machine is actually more stable and the performance is great. The casual performance for things like watching anime and browsing the internet is amazing! KDE and GNOME are both far smoother UIs than Windows 11's slow choppy UI.
 
I run Linux on my workstation. Security is a nightmare and needs baby sitting. I can dual boot to windows but don’t remember when I booted up windows. Linux is alright for workstation, but I would not give up my MBP for Linux laptop.
 
I've gone the opposite direction to many here. I went from Windows and Linux to Mac, and there's no way I could go back. I'm sure there are distros that are far less effort to keep running, but the need for constant tinkering to keep everything working wore me out. Switching to Mac was such a relief.

All the luck to Framework though. I'm not interested personally, but it's nice to see someone trying to do something interesting in the PC space.
 
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