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Map, can I ask whether you found any differences on the digital crown between stainless steel and sport models?

I started with sport, and then bought stainless steel. I have been surprised at the 'press' action of the SS digital crown - its far more 'mushy' shall we say and the 'double click' is quite hard to pull off as the SS crown seems to travel less far than the sport.

The sport digital crown was a definite 'click' when pressing - the stainless steel is much less so. I am wondering whether this is correct - did you notice any differences?

I actually have found the SG sport to have a more mushy click while the previous SS watch i had felt like a normal click. I look forward to my new SS watch arrives to see if this is the case again.

And create a return policy thread if you wanna debate that issue. I was coming around to check on other users opinions and it turned into everyone knowing everything about money and return policies.
 
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Update on my return. FedEx has lost my package and say that tracking # doesn't exist. I'm officially screwed.
 
Update on my return. FedEx has lost my package and say that tracking # doesn't exist. I'm officially screwed.

Sorry to hear that. See if you can get anything from fedex saying the at least received the package. That way you have proof to show apple and you might not be held liable for it.
 
Sorry to hear that. See if you can get anything from fedex saying the at least received the package. That way you have proof to show apple and you might not be held liable for it.
I'm on my way there right now. :(
 
I'm on my way there right now. :(

I know this doesn't help in your current situation, but I generally drop off at the fedex store and ask for a receipt. At least you have some kind of proof they received the package. Just some some FYI on your next shipment.
 
Sorry to hear that. See if you can get anything from fedex saying the at least received the package. That way you have proof to show apple and you might not be held liable for it.
I know this doesn't help in your current situation, but I generally drop off at the fedex store and ask for a receipt. At least you have some kind of proof they received the package. Just some some FYI on your next shipment.
I just got home.
Had to wait for them to actually locate the person that received the package and they called me about 10 minutes ago to assist but by then I had already found out through apple that although there seemed to be a mess up on their part because apparently the person that set up my return had tried to enter the return info several times, although unsuccessfully she thought, 3 different tracking numbers.
I got the right one and the package has been located.

It arrives on Monday so by the end of the week I should have my money back for the ML.
Thanks everyone for the encouraging and kind words.
 
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Map, can I ask whether you found any differences on the digital crown between stainless steel and sport models?

I started with sport, and then bought stainless steel. I have been surprised at the 'press' action of the SS digital crown - its far more 'mushy' shall we say and the 'double click' is quite hard to pull off as the SS crown seems to travel less far than the sport.

The sport digital crown was a definite 'click' when pressing - the stainless steel is much less so. I am wondering whether this is correct - did you notice any differences?
Have a SG BSB. Had stainless too and 2 friends have stainless. Mine has the firm click on the crown and the SS crowns were all "mushy" so your experience is exactly the same as mine.
 
I'd like to point out that Apple doesn't have a return policy that is in any way out of the ordinary. You have to have a return policy to compete nowadays. In fact, Apple's policy of 14 days for the watch is more in line with phone return policies rather than other electronics.

I can buy a Pebble on Amazon, or at Target, WalMart, or Best Buy and return it with no questions asked in 30 days rather than 14. At Target I have 60 days because I've sold them my privacy by getting a Red Card debit card.

Apple's policy isn't generous, it is just the cost of doing business now. I work with a company that deals in impulse buys and has a 90 day return policy during the holidays. A 15% return rate is seen as great for them with many products approaching 25%. Reviews often proclaim "I ordered one in each color and will return the 4 I don't like" etc. The returns are absolutely worked into the price. Manufacturing of the goods I work with is about $2.50 per unit. They are sold wholesale to the retailer for $9 and sold to customers for $18. The wholesaler eats all returns, of which most go into trash/recycling. The retailer gets to have an amazing return policy because they don't foot the bill. We wholesale for $9 because it is triple manufacturing cost. Even though the true cost is $2.50, that goes up to $3 because of returns. Without returns, we could wholesale for $7.50, making the retail $15 instead of $18. So that is the true cost of returns.

Wholesale is triple manufacturing to deal with R&D, royalties, and overhead. In general, our products don't break even until the 30,000th unit is sold. Some products only ever sell 10,000 and some sell 60,000 or more, making up for the less popular products.

Yes and no. You are correct that Best Buy, Target et al do have a no questions asked return policy. However, even they have instituted algorithms to red flag serial returners. When you reach the limit of what they consider excessive, you will be denied returns.

And again. The only reason that these policies can be generous is because the company is banking on only a small percentage of the population taking advantage of it. Even your company is estimating that returns won't be over 25%. How can they do this? They build the cost of the high returns into their pricing. There is no free lunch here.
 
I actually have found the SG sport to have a more mushy click while the previous SS watch i had felt like a normal click. I look forward to my new SS watch arrives to see if this is the case again.

And create a return policy thread if you wanna debate that issue. I was coming around to check on other users opinions and it turned into everyone knowing everything about money and return policies.

My SG feels much smoother than my SS. The SG is felt with more resistants. Not a bad thing, just differently feeling. Actually today, I asked myself why I want to keep this watch. LOL. Doing things are the phone are far more convenient. But the watch is sure nice too look at. :p
 
I bought the Sport with white band thinking it was a real compromise because, although I really liked the look of the Watch, I couldn't justify the extra expense for a first generation product. But... I actually really like the Sport. The paleness of the aluminium works much better than I'd thought (the space grey is far too dark for my taste, if it'd been the same grey as my phone it would have been my choice, I think) and I've realised that the shininess of the Watch, though visually stunning, makes it feel a bit too slick and corporate for me.

I've now ordered a Milanese loop for when I do want to look smarter and I want the watch to look more like jewellery; if it doesn't look right with the Sport (I think it will, and the pictures I've seen online suggest it will), I'll return it.
 
Yes and no. You are correct that Best Buy, Target et al do have a no questions asked return policy. However, even they have instituted algorithms to red flag serial returners. When you reach the limit of what they consider excessive, you will be denied returns.

And again. The only reason that these policies can be generous is because the company is banking on only a small percentage of the population taking advantage of it. Even your company is estimating that returns won't be over 25%. How can they do this? They build the cost of the high returns into their pricing. There is no free lunch here.
I will guarantee you that a store like WalMart, Target, or even Best Buy have no issues with returns because they almost certainly dump the products back on the manufacturer and make them eat the loss. The more dire the store is (Best Buy being on its last legs) the more precautions they take, but most likely to 1. Not lose their percentage of profit on the sale (why they will be quick to offer an exchange). 2. To appease their vendors that they have proper checks and balances in place before they dump returns back on them.

You'll notice WalMart is all over the place with returns. I've seen people walk in without packaging or receipts and get refunds. WalMart has so much clout that their vendors have to just deal with anything and everything WalMart throws at them. I am also a filmmaker (not my other business). We got a distribution deal and put into WalMart on DVD. An amazing opportunity for a $6,000 indie film. There had to be 5 copies on the shelf of each store at all times with reorders back up to 5 copies each week. All returns were eaten by the distributor (then us) but obviously there are only really exchanges for defects with DVDs. At the end of 8 weeks the movie is removed from the store entirely. At that time there are 3-5 copies on the shelf of every WalMart in the country, due to the fact that the shelf has to be well stocked even in that 8th week where it has moved to the end of the DVD wall. (You start at the front and move down the wall each week. When you get to the end of new releases you are gone.) So thousands of copies of this tiny indie movie are then shipped back to the distributor unpaid, where the will sit in a warehouse for years as they (very) slowly sell on Amazon. For many movies, they will never fully sell this stock. It's the cost of working with WalMart and even that is worked into the price, but WalMart also squeezes prices so consumers don't feel that as much as the companies and artists.
 
Goodness enough returns posts and conversation - wtf does that have to do with the thread title?! Nice hearing about why people are sticking with the sport and why some, like myself, switched to SS.

Ordered a SS WSB on June 7th and will be here on June 15th - originally quoted June 30th

My 3rd watch order - SS to SG sport and now back to SS
 
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I will guarantee you that a store like WalMart, Target, or even Best Buy have no issues with returns because they almost certainly dump the products back on the manufacturer and make them eat the loss. The more dire the store is (Best Buy being on its last legs) the more precautions they take, but most likely to 1. Not lose their percentage of profit on the sale (why they will be quick to offer an exchange). 2. To appease their vendors that they have proper checks and balances in place before they dump returns back on them.

You'll notice WalMart is all over the place with returns. I've seen people walk in without packaging or receipts and get refunds. WalMart has so much clout that their vendors have to just deal with anything and everything WalMart throws at them. I am also a filmmaker (not my other business). We got a distribution deal and put into WalMart on DVD. An amazing opportunity for a $6,000 indie film. There had to be 5 copies on the shelf of each store at all times with reorders back up to 5 copies each week. All returns were eaten by the distributor (then us) but obviously there are only really exchanges for defects with DVDs. At the end of 8 weeks the movie is removed from the store entirely. At that time there are 3-5 copies on the shelf of every WalMart in the country, due to the fact that the shelf has to be well stocked even in that 8th week where it has moved to the end of the DVD wall. (You start at the front and move down the wall each week. When you get to the end of new releases you are gone.) So thousands of copies of this tiny indie movie are then shipped back to the distributor unpaid, where the will sit in a warehouse for years as they (very) slowly sell on Amazon. For many movies, they will never fully sell this stock. It's the cost of working with WalMart and even that is worked into the price, but WalMart also squeezes prices so consumers don't feel that as much as the companies and artists.

Well then why does Walmart state on their website that they will track your returns? They will also put an end after three.

Answer, because they know that even if they send the material back to their supplier that this will drive up costs for their supplier. Eventually, this will get passed to Walmart.

Checkmate

There is no magical loophole for returns. Somebody is going to pay. And it's eventually all of us. Just sayin.
 
Very interesting threAd. I don't plan to wear my Apple Watch with my suit or anything but still wonder if I will be satisfied with the space gray.
 
I purchased the sport model originally and just picked up a SS model this morning after seeing one come up for a good price. I must say, the SS definitely shows higher quality in comparison to the Sport.
 
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Why not carefully evaluate the items you think you want before actually buying them? You are truly abusing the return policy and its people like you that ruin it for everyone else and drive costs up.

I think that's a little unfair. Sometimes you have to try something before you know if you will like it. This poster is not buying them just to re-sell.

I also spent a lot of time trying to decide what I wanted and then got the SS 38 BSB - then I decided I wanted a different color band for my vacation trip, ordered a pink and returned it (looked great in photo, did not look good on me), then ordered a white sport band and love it. Didn't think white would look good on me but after trying it i liked it.

That's why Apple's return policy is great and appreciated by many of us who really want to find something we will be happy with.
 
I was on the fence about getting the sport versus the stainless steel. I ordered a SG Sport first and then canceled that order. Next I went with the Milanese loop and then canceled that order. Finally I went with the Sport WSB, which I received a few days ago. I love my watch and couldn't be happier. I own several luxury watches so stainless steel wasn't a strong consideration for me. I actually prefer the Sport because it is lighter and less intrusive in terms of how it feels on my wrist.

I chuckle when I read comments about the stainless steel looking classier than the Sport, because other people really for the most part do not care either way what type of watch you are wearing. I could wear one of my Rolex watches one day and my $25 Timex the other and no one would have noticed the difference. I actually prefer the feel of my Timex over most other watches that I own with the obvious exception of my new Apple Watch
 
I was on the fence about getting the sport versus the stainless steel. I ordered a SG Sport first and then canceled that order. Next I went with the Milanese loop and then canceled that order. Finally I went with the Sport WSB, which I received a few days ago. I love my watch and couldn't be happier. I own several luxury watches so stainless steel wasn't a strong consideration for me. I actually prefer the Sport because it is lighter and less intrusive in terms of how it feels on my wrist.

I chuckle when I read comments about the stainless steel looking classier than the Sport, because other people really for the most part do not care either way what type of watch you are wearing. I could wear one of my Rolex watches one day and my $25 Timex the other and no one would have noticed the difference. I actually prefer the feel of my Timex over most other watches that I own with the obvious exception of my new Apple Watch

In my opinion the SS looks a lot classier than the Sport and I own both
It's more important to me how my watch makes me feel and how I feel about the watch
The Sport is what it is being lighter and cheaper and it has a massive market out there
My girlfriend loves her Sport and would never consider the SS model
 
I have the space grey sport, I would have went a step up to the stainless steel, however I thought it was too pricey for a first generation product.
 
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I have the space grey sport, I would have went a step up to the stainless steel, however I thought it was too pricey for a first generation product.

Agreed. The price is what a new iPhone would cost. For the last few days I've found myself not even wearing the watch. I think the wow factor has worn off and it's more of a "meh" thing now.
 
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