Have you had a chance to use Face ID for a few days?
yes. i've had the iPhone X for over a month now.
Have you had a chance to use Face ID for a few days?
I remember Synaptics from the Nexus One. I had an outdated touchscreen that wasn't multi-touch like iPhones. It was two-finger touch which made it difficult to play certain games that required more than two.
Because the iPhone is their flagship product and the iPhone X is their flagship iPhone. Apple wants the latest feature on their highest end device, and will roll it out to other devices when older generations retire. I can’t believe how many people are still in denial mode and counting in Touch ID coming back. Apple made FaceID for unlocking, yes, but they’ve also opened it up for other things that use facial data, opening up features they were previously impossible without it. I doubt Apple will throw all that away.
Does it work across the entire screen or is there a designated small area where it scans? Anyone know? Speculate?
As I understand it, the FP is not placed under the display, just under the glas that covers the display.
You still need a dedicated area for it. The main difference to current solutions is that it is a touch area rather than a touch button.
Seems the top 5 vendor in question is the Chinese manufacturer Vivo.
I don't get why everybody wants a Touch ID under the screen. It looks like you have to put your finger in that exact spot to work, which looks inconvenient, because you have to put your finger in a specific place on the big screen. On the home button is seamless because you feel where it is, it's more natural.
I don't doubt that Face ID will be improved, but I seriously doubt that those improvements will solve the major underlying issues Face ID has; it fails to tell twins apart, it can also fail for siblings who look alike and children, it fails in Asian countries like Japan, South Korea and China where a large portion of the population wears surgical masks both in and outdoors (against smog, seasonal hay fever in Japan, or to avoid spreading germs) and it also fails obviously in other parts of the world where women are covering their faces with religious clothing.It certainly wouldn’t make it any better. Although Face ID has been great, it will certainly be improved upon next year. You’ll likely need to switch platforms to get something like Touch ID under the screen.
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Face ID is a terrible idea that Apple came up with as a work around because they couldn't figure out in-display fingerprint sensors in time for the new iPhone release.
I don't doubt that Face ID will be improved, but I seriously doubt that those improvements will solve the major underlying issues Face ID has; it fails to tell twins apart, it can also fail for siblings who look alike and children, it fails in Asian countries like Japan, South Korea and China where a large portion of the population wears surgical masks both in and outdoors (against smog, seasonal hay fever in Japan, or to avoid spreading germs) and it also fails obviously in other parts of the world where women are covering their faces with religious clothing.
Face ID is a terrible idea that Apple came up with as a work around because they couldn't figure out in-display fingerprint sensors in time for the new iPhone release.
Yeah, the "as long as it doesn't affect me personally" attitude is such a great approach to life. Thanks for the tips.That all makes zero difference to me. It works great. If you fall into those categories, you either don’t get that phone or you use a passcode.
Yeah, the "as long as it doesn't affect me personally" attitude is such a great approach to life. Thanks for the tips.
Given the generally assumed development cycle of the iPhone, this wouldn't be much of a surprise if it had been 3 years in the making.A workaround that was 3 years in the making? That doesn’t really make any sense.
So which is it? Before you said FaceID was a workaround because they couldn’t get underscreen TouchID working; now it’s just a “dumb idea” three years in the making.Given the generally assumed development cycle of the iPhone, this wouldn't be much of a surprise if it had been 3 years in the making.
Just because Face ID is a dumb idea, it doesn't mean that Apple cobbled it up in 3 months before the launch of iPhone X.
Apple has the best implementation of a fingerprint scanner in a consumer device, and they started using it beyond iOS devices to their MacBook line. Replacing Touch ID with something that's inferior, less convenient and ugly to boot (the notch would have made Jobs roll in his grave) only makes sense in a situation where Apple wanted to build a full-screen smartphone but couldn't come up with a working in-display version of Touch ID.
Did not Apple follow Samsung with facial recognition? Yes, Face ID better but Apple is still a follower here. So far I have not seen any rumors about Samsung adding Face ID-like features.
This is a key claim.Apple chose to replace TouchID with FaceID because they think it provides a better overall experience for more users more of the time than did TouchID.
FaceID will improve. There are almost 40 million iPhone X sold, a certain percentage will have problems, just like with TouchID. But like you said, only Apple knows how many.This is a key claim.
Apple thought when designing it, in the vacuum of user data that it would provide a better overall experience.
I believe the data is already showing that iPhone X users are being forced to enter their Pin code more often than Touch ID users. And that this is slowing down those users or even resulting in “missed sessions” which can be described as times when a user would normally have performed some task either in response to a push notification or on their own accord.
But the user does not do it because of friction from authentication.
These missed sessions are major ux no-nos as they lead to user apathy related to the iPhone. This eventually impacts customer satisfaction with the product.
The point of confusion most people seem to have is that the case is closed on Face ID being the superior and sole auth method for iOS devices.
In fact the opposite is true, where Touch ID devices likely require less pin entries and currently result in fewer missed sessions.
It is possible Face ID can be improved, as Touch ID was. However, I have a hypothesis that most of the missed sessions resulting from failed Face ID auth are due to physical interference or out of bound angles for the 3D face plot. I.e attempted auth while drinking a beverage (which fails) or under the edge of a conference table (also fails)
The delta between the Face ID missed sessions due to these interference types and Touch ID sessions that are not affected by them will govern whether Apple pursues the belt-and-suspenders approach to Auth on future iOS devices.
From my extensive use of iPhone X, I believe this is likely a big enough issue that we will see Touch ID return. But only Apple knows how systemic the problem is.
I would like to point out though, that if you look at Twitter there is a drumbeat if people saying they do not like Face ID, and often giving specific scenarios where it is failing for them: https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=Face ID sucks&src=typed_query
Did you see my point about physical interferences? I do not think it is possible to improve Face ID for these situations.FaceID will improve. There are almost 40 million iPhone X sold, a certain percentage will have problems, just like with TouchID. But like you said, only Apple knows how many.
Yeah it’s not going to see through that coffee cup. Or through the conference table. But millions of people use gloves for months at a time.Did you see my point about physical interferences? I do not think it is possible to improve Face ID for these situations.
It is like saying Apple will improve Touch ID for situations when the user is wearing ski gloves.
Yes. This is the point that people can not seem to put together!Yeah it’s not going to see through that coffee cup. Or through the conference table. But millions of people use gloves for months at a time.
Based on Apple's past track record, they worked in parallel on both solutions -potentially more than just those 2- and when it became apparent that they couldn't get the better option ready on time, they fell back on Face ID. We'll probably never know the truth until some engineer's NDA expires but it's extremely unlikely that Apple decided to put all their eggs in one basket (Face ID) when developing their flagship product.So which is it? Before you said FaceID was a workaround because they couldn’t get underscreen TouchID working; now it’s just a “dumb idea” three years in the making.
This is completely irrelevant. I would have been surprised if a company introducing a new product said that it offers a worse experience than the previous model.Apple chose to replace TouchID with FaceID because they think it provides a better overall experience for more users more of the time than did TouchID.
Very unlikely. I'd be curious to see actual survey data on that, assuming that these users had a choice between an iPhone X with Touch ID or one with Face ID instead.Most users of the X prefer FaceID over TouchID, which proves Apple made the right decision.
... until Apple figures out how to do without the notch, and then that will become the new "deliberate design choice."And FaceID didn’t create the notch; there are 8 sensors/transducers in the notch area, and only 3 of them are for FaceID. There would have been a notch on the X with or without FaceID. Obviously so, since the notch is a deliberate design choice.
I had a quick look at what the "full width bezel" looks on the latest models from Samsung, Xiaomi and Sony. They don't look anything like the full width bezel on the iPhone 8 or anything prior to the iPhone X. They look also arguably better than the Apple notch; the iPhone X has a better looking back though.Certainly, Apple had the option not to add the ears and just continue to have a full width bezel like Samsung or LG—and every iPhone before. But they chose to add the ears and take advantage of wasted space. They prototyped both, and preferred the notch, with the extra screen area the ears provide.
That you personally don’t like the iconic notch, which Jobs would have loved,
The "but what about gloves" argument is a red herring. Doing almost anything on a touchscreen based phone still requires taking your gloves off anyway.Yes. This is the point that people can not seem to put together!
Sometimes there are situations where Face ID is best, like in “normal” active use of the device which 90% of the time probably falls within 15 degrees and some number of cm of depth from the Face.
But other times the phone is way out of these ranges or there is something obscuring like a coffee cup, or a beer can or a hand as you itch your nose or brush your teeth. Or a table for whatever reason.
For all those instances, even when the phone is in normal active use and an other hand would be unlocking the device via Touch ID, the unlock fails. It is not acceptable to have a 10 or even 5% auto auth failure rate. And I bet the X is floating in that range right now which is abysmal for UX.
This isn’t about sniping situations where Face ID works better than Touch ID, it is vice versa.
I don’t understand why people can’t accept that the union of capability of these two auths on a single device would cover far more situations and make a better iphone.
Regarding gloves for months that still does not matter because the X still requires a swipe up to unlock! Unless you’re wearing conductive gloves, you might as well just remove the glove, Touch ID and home press.