So what's the big difference between pressing and swiping? Your finger has to be on the right spot of the screen to do either correct?
So if you don't have to look on the bottom bar to use your X, why do you think you have to look on the bottom of the screen to use the finger print sensor? Your logic is flawed and that makes no sense. Is either you agree to both that you don't have to look or you agree to both that you have to look.
I wasn't debating if Apple is bringing back touch ID.
However just like when Face ID was announced before the X was released, many was defending Apple that people should wait to use it before making judgement. Now the tables are flipped and you're already assuming and saying FaceID will be better without even using touch ID under the glass. Why not wait to use it before making judgement.
(general statement below not aimed at you)
The hypocrisy is strong in this thread. Many defenders of Face ID before the X was released argued with others that they haven't even used it so they can't claim Face ID is not as good as touch ID.
Now the tables are flipped and these same people are passing judgement on something they haven't used.
When Apple does it they defend and defend. Once another manufacturer does it, they discredit it without using it.
A phone could have haptic feedback when your finger was over the right spot.
Only downside of Face ID it seems is the angles and speed, which will obviously be improved upon next year. For everything else, its a better solution. I love it for authenticating apps and passwords.
Back when people thought Apple was doing an in-display fingerprint sensor, it was thought from their patents that it might be image based as well.
An RF signal from the sensor ring passes through your fingertip and is measured by a tiny antenna array in the center part. This gives a 3D image of the fingerprint's ridges, valleys and pores.
Which is why a 3D copy works as well. It's also why a wet finger fails, as that provides a short cicuit signal path across the finger surface instead of having to pass internally.
Synaptics' device includes its own encryption and secure processor.
No, that was a fan myth.
Their security white papers talk generically about looking for temperature, pulse, flexing, etc, but do not give info about the actual methods used in this sensor, other than claiming that they use an AI based scheme which rejects 99% of spoof attempts.
This claim will be tested quickly, no doubt!
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I was an early supporter of FaceId, and it's still a good method. However, its sensors takes up frontal space.
So I can easily see under-screen print sensors being popular on phones where the front is used for a notchless display.
I just thought about how nice Face ID is going to be in a Mac. Opening that laptop, Face ID was born for that.
One can always dream...The first sentence states that ‘begun mass production’ so that time line would line up with a new iphoneSE in the spring.
You're just making excuses, so the notch is great, right?
Nothing wrong with having that sensor under display.
Speaking of which, I first registered my clean shaven face but I’ve since grown a beard for the winter and it never skipped a beat. I never noticed the learning process here. It just did it and has always worked throughout my beard growth and even subsequent trimmings.
Clearly it would have been on the phones - just use common sense. Sometimes companies don’t share with the mere mortals.
Why does somebody has to put the finger at the specific spot on screen? Looking at the hardware, I can see a phone with lower half of the screen area for finger print scanning. That's should be good enough.
Why does somebody has to put the finger at the specific spot on screen? Looking at the hardware, I can see a phone with lower half of the screen area for finger print scanning. That's should be good enough.
Did you just dream that?Samsung need something for all of the S8 users who have phones that just die on them. Put it on charge and the next morning bricked phone, can’t power or or reset etc no lights or indicators. Then it takes Samsung 3 weeks to replace it. No sure what breaks but there are a hell of a lot of them with the same fault.
You consider talking to another human without being passive aggressive? I heard what I heard, I didn't see the article you posted. I simply searched for it because you asked about it where I got my info. I didn't re-read the article just to post a link. I think maybe macrumours should take more responsibility here to make it clear in the title it's been updated or invalid.So if you consider an unsubstantiated rumor to be a proper citation, what about a properly cited article from the same source completely refuting it?
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/10/31/apple-dismisses-touch-id-under-display-rumors/
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't all the sensors for face ID under the front glass? I would think there is a possibility if the glass is cracked around the sensors it would cause issues for them scanning your face.
I think Apple absolutely knows that Face ID alone is resulting a substantial amount of failed authentication attempts on the X.
I would guess they have data on the times of day, phone orientations when it is failing and how that compares to Touch ID phones.
I would guess that there is already enough data to justify another attempt at the belt and suspenders approach to Auth on iPhone.
Many folks in these forums claim it is as good as Touch ID, and it is in some ways better. But in some situations it fails when Touch ID wild have trivially unlocked the phone.
I would be very surprised if Apple did not bring Touch ID back to iPhone X’s successor.
Question as a follow-up: can you comment on why TouchID works so well through a freezer-weight plastic bag? I'd be interested in any technical explanations or comments - thank you.
I was just commenting on the ergonomics of a back fingerprint sensor on phones, if it supposedly were a good choice, under the screen sensor development would not be necessary.
So many people choose to look at this like Apple took screen real estate away rather than considering that they actually reclaimed some screen space that had been taken by the bezel in the past.
Shut up. I don’t dare hope for anything special with the SE—especially anything that implies a bezel-free display.The first sentence states that ‘begun mass production’ so that time line would line up with a new iphoneSE in the spring.
RF sensors use a frequency chosen such that they can easily sense through the sapphire cover and even under your outer skin layer a tiny bit. I guess your bag is similar to having thick skin
Q: did you train it with the bag, or it just works even with the extra distance? If the latter, then the sensor software is looking more for relative measurements than absolute ones.
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Having spent a couple weeks with the iPhone X now, I do have to say, I barely miss the Touch ID... EXCEPT when i just want to unlock my home sitting at a table or desk. It makes checking my phone stealthily during meetings so much harder. But in general, I don't miss Touch ID (or the home button) nearly as much as I thought I would, and actually got a little annoyed when I picked up my iPhone 7 and had to deal with the home button again.Buy.
Unless, of course, FaceID is fixed to read at more of an angle (such as a table)....
You haven't shown what makes it clear or common sensical are just spouting completely unsubstantiated rumors. The people sharing the rumors turned out to be completely incorrect, so why would I take their word that Apple gave up on it?
You're looking at it backwards--the notch isn't great, but the 'ears' that allow more of the screen to be utilized are indeed great. The alternative would be to have more bezel and less screen. As the screen is 'taller' than a 16:9 ratio, the notch doesn't affect video or anything else in any meaningful way.
You consider talking to another human without being passive aggressive? I heard what I heard, I didn't see the article you posted. I simply searched for it because you asked about it where I got my info. I didn't re-read the article just to post a link. I think maybe macrumours should take more responsibility here to make it clear in the title it's been updated or invalid.