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This would be good for Apple Watch: better than tapping numbers on a tiny keypad. There must be a reason why the default password length on Apple Watch is 4 digits compared to 6 digits on iPhones.
 
Don’t see the point. If you have to look for and place your finger in a specific spot, by then your phone would already be unlocked with Face ID. Without some sort of indentation to feel for, you’d have to pay attention each time.
Absolutely this. There will be no indentation since there is no home button. The new swipe paradigm will nullify all this unless you could make the entire bottom of the read your fingerprint as you swipe.

It will never ever happen.
 
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Face id needs touch id to accompany it, there are just too many situations where Face id cannot be used. I can say the same for Touch id, but combining them both gives you the perfect flexibility.

Also they need to get rid of swipe up to unlock, for me it defeats the purpose of taking away touch id.
 
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I’ve had far far fewer instances of failed authentication with Face ID than I had with Touch ID. Ever even seeing the passcode prompt is so rare that I find it instantly jarring and it only happens if I’ve recently restarted or if I just woke up and can’t open my eyes or the pillow is covering my face. The latter has happened less and less. Face ID even recognizes half of my face while the other half is buried in the pillow. It has learned.

Speaking of which, I first registered my clean shaven face but I’ve since grown a beard for the winter and it never skipped a beat. I never noticed the learning process here. It just did it and has always worked throughout my beard growth and even subsequent trimmings.

I can’t think of a scenario where I’d like to be prompted to put my finger on a sensor rather than just be instantly recognized without having to do anything. Touch ID on my iPad has become a chore now that I’ve grown used to the passive security of Face ID.
 
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You think Apple would remove a feature and then bring it back?

Better hold on to your headphones.

Actually yes - like iPod shuffle 3rd generation, though it was Steve , without him, nope , apple is like any other big company , good or bad ideas will stay as long as they make money. Steven killed the 3rd gen shuffle cause it was a UX nightmare .
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I’ve had far far fewer instances of failed authentication with Face ID than I had with Touch ID. Ever even seeing the passcode prompt is so rare that I find it instantly jarring and it only happens if I’ve recently restarted or if I just woke up and can’t open my eyes or the pillow is covering my face. The latter has happened less and less. Face ID even recognizes half of my face while the other half is buried in the pillow. It has learned.

Speaking of which, I first registered my clean shaven face but I’ve since grown a beard for the winter and it never skipped a beat. I never noticed the learning process here. It just did it and has always worked throughout my beard growth and even subsequent trimmings.

I can’t think of a scenario where I’d like to be prompted to put my finger on a sensor rather than just be instantly recognized without having to do anything. Touch ID on my iPad has become a chore now that I’ve grown used to the passive security of Face ID.

Faceid v touchid is not accuracy - I should say, just that. It's one part, the other part is homebutton, and this is where I DO, other may not , miss touchid . I find using home button (forget authentication) to be a better experience.

Interesting you say touchid is a chore, for me it's great , faceid in my iPhone X is more of a chore as it works only at certain angles , touchid Is far more forgiving, I can take my phone from my pocket and it will be unlocked by the time I look at it.

Pros and cons, though from my experience faceid is no clear winner
 
Apple and also Steve lied all the time.
Steve: Nobody reeds Books anymore.
Next year: Apple introduces iPad and iBooks shop.

So whatever they say may not be the truth. Anyway who blames them? Would you buy an iPhone X with them saying: “you know we couldn’t get touch id inside the screen right yet, so we side tracked to Face ID”

Thank you! Finally, someone with common sense! The responses I got was I need verified links lol strange people.
 
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In-display

+ Can unlock it while on table or in the dark. In portrait or landscape. No fuss angling it. Not at the back, so no need to pick it up. Can wear a mask or cover your face. Twice faster than Face ID as Synaptics claims.

Samsung is going to have a pretty big year in 2018 if they can get this Synaptics in-display fingerprint sensor and release the Galaxy X (foldable display). In 2015 and 2016, Samsung Galaxy S6 & S7 edge won best smartphone of the year from GSMA. The iPhone X likely takes it for this year. I can see Samsung retaking it again. Next year is an "s" year for Apple.

I don't even like Samsung. I use their products and respect what they do for their country and being a truer OEM than Apple will ever be. But I find them back biters towards Apple and also feel their smartphones is catered to iOS/Android switchers/Android newbies. Fake Android experience with bloat and laggy software over time.

They cater to these bored iOS users that become Android newbies but gives Android a bad name with all their junk and jank. Like I'm supposed to have two dialer and contact apps? Everyone is making a big deal now with these biometric security stuff. Apple made Face ID into a big deal with all it really is another way to secure your phone.

Bucky: What the hell is that?
Sam Wilson: Everybody has got a gimmick.

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Xiaomi has fallen out of the Top 5. It's Samsung, Apple, Huawei, OPPO, and Vivo now. My favs in LG, Sony, and Motorola are ranked 7,8,9 and won't be getting it next year. Not first-tier enough.

It's going to be Samsung first. Huawei, OPPO, and Vivo haven't embraced low-bezel displays yet like Xiaomi and Samsung did after Sharp. Kinda sucks that Samsung gets it first. I much prefer if LG and Google Pixel 3 get it. Force to buy another Galaxy with that lame TouchWiz/Grace UX skin. Catered for Android newbies/recent iPhone defectors.
 
I prefer Face ID. The beauty of Face ID is, you don't realise its a feature, because you just raise the iPhone up and Face ID has then functioned. In my opinion, that is a big plus point for Face ID.

Whereas with Touch ID/fingerprint scanning, you have to specifically place your thumb/finger in a particular area for to use it. And I can't see this offering from Synaptics been any different.
 
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Don’t see the point. If you have to look for and place your finger in a specific spot, by then your phone would already be unlocked with Face ID. Without some sort of indentation to feel for, you’d have to pay attention each time.

Guessing you've never tried to unlock your phone in landscape like when using it as a Sat Nav ... or trying to unlock it when its sitting flat on a table.. Both scenarios are a FaceID fail (yes I own one). These are major annoyances. Hit the lock button while using landscape SatNav and your stuffed and need to rotate the phone to get it unlocked - not exactly save (and don't say just use it portaits, its as bad as your holding it wrong)
 
Did not Apple follow Samsung with facial recognition? Yes, Face ID better but Apple is still a follower here. So far I have not seen any rumors about Samsung adding Face ID-like features.

I don’t think that is true. The development of a phone starts a long way before a competitor’s model is announced. You can’t respond anymore but must anticipate way before that. I think the latter is the reason why for example Samsung is unable to make up their minds of the identification-method of choice: they just create a pile of half-baked pancakes, throw them to a wall and see what sticks. So yes, Samsung has facial recognition but not anywhere near the security-level Apple has established as it is their primary identification method (password/pincode will always be there). For Samsung, that is still fingerprints as their facial recognition is a gimmick at the moment, a pancake on the wall. Nothing wrong with that, but we have to be honest about it.

For that reason I am certain the market will go with facial recognition. If you want to see of course.
 
This is really old tech now. FaceID, TouchID! Boring!

The newest tech is ButtID. You point the phone at your butt to unlock. Wear shorts, jeans, trousers, it knows it's your butt. Amazing! The only problem seems to be when you sit down. It' can't scan your butt then, but no tech is perfect, right?

It's the next 'big' thing! :)
 
Done with iPhone until there's touchId

I was wary but bought the iPhone X knowing I had 14 days to decide for myself. Couldn't be happier with FaceID - it is transparant to usage in a way TouchID never really was. Touch ID is faster, and in some situations more convenient - but overall FaceID is a significant improvement in usability.
 
I was wary but bought the iPhone X knowing I had 14 days to decide for myself. Couldn't be happier with FaceID - it is transparant to usage in a way TouchID never really was. Touch ID is faster, and in some situations more convenient - but overall FaceID is a significant improvement in usability.
If you put a bag on your head, does FaceID still work?
 
If Apple was lying to us about not investing in fingerprint tech and we find it in next year's iPhone X successor, I will be sorely disappointed in Apple...
many are highly disappointed from today's Apple anyway, so that would be no surprise at all
 
This would be good for Apple Watch: better than tapping numbers on a tiny keypad. There must be a reason why the default password length on Apple Watch is 4 digits compared to 6 digits on iPhones.
Agreed! It's by far the best use for TouchID.

The iPhone X should have used TouchID and FaceID, rather than TouchID. That's Apple saying TouchID is dead and everything from now on will have a notch!

Not smart Apple. Not smart!
 
We just need FaceID that’s faster and can do what was originally promised in marketing materials (detection without picking up the phone). I see no need for TouchID anymore.
 
This is just not true. If you grab your iPhone X in a normal position with the thumb you can train yourself to put it in the right spot.

This already happens on the 8 and below so why wouldn’t it happen virtually on a decent hit box for iPhone XI?

I’ve seen this argument twice in this thread and it is rediculous. The X forces you to tap tiny and far apart spaces to navigate both apps and the web.

A lower middle Touch ID would be trivial to land compared to Face ID in some circumstances.

I’m not so sure it wouldn’t be frustrating for some people to hit that small sensor without raised guidance or looking at the phone. And how would you go to the home screen after authentication? Force touch like the buttoned phones and have inconsistency from the home swipe used in every other instance of going home in iOS on the X? Or swipe up following the unlock but then obviously require two motions that seem clunkier than the single motion of pressing the (virtual or real) button or just swiping up and letting Face ID do its thing?

And why add redundancy? Just adding options for options’ sake? Why, when Face ID works just fine? Swipe up and the phone is unlocked. Increase the dot projection angles in a future revision (and I bet they do) for the flat-on-a-desk scenario, and it goes from amazing to perfect. No need for the cost and internal real estate used to add the scanner. I do agree with the UI comment though — why do so many developers, including Apple itself, sometimes put back/close buttons on the upper corners without swipe support? Ugh.
 
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