So will FaceID work under cracked lens's then?
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So will FaceID work under cracked lens's then?
Any item is not going to work as well if some aspect of it is damaged.
I'm assuming this won't quite be ready for the Galaxy S9?
Still, I think it'll be fascinating to watch how this all plays out. If the Android world embraces in-screen fingerprint scanners, will it take the heat off them building a true Face ID competitor?
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You make a very good point. I wonder, though, if we'll see these problems addressed with second-gen Face ID? Not an about-turn from Apple's perspective by adding Touch ID back.
Perhaps this part of the iPhone X strategy: allow the more dedicated customers to work out any edge-case kinks before you really rely on it in a mainstream way?
Still, I think it'll be fascinating to watch how this all plays out. If the Android world embraces in-screen fingerprint scanners, will it take the heat off them building a true Face ID competitor?
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You make a very good point. I wonder, though, if we'll see these problems addressed with second-gen Face ID? Not an about-turn from Apple's perspective by adding Touch ID back.
Perhaps this part of the iPhone X strategy: allow the more dedicated customers to work out any edge-case kinks before you really rely on it in a mainstream way?
Apple should ADD in-screen touch ID to the iPhone, if it can fit and not increase the cost enormously.
Face ID allows people without hands/digits to unlock their phones, thus it is technology that doesn't discriminate. Face ID is here to stay and Apple won't get rid of it. But for people who prefer finger print ID then Apple should provide that option and it could even be consider a 2FA (second factor authentication). Why not?
But here we are all talking about the pros and cons of Face ID and Finger Print ID but in the not too distant future all of these may become obsolete as new technology emerges.
Face ID allows people without hands/digits to unlock their phones, thus it is technology that doesn't discriminate. Face ID is here to stay and Apple won't get rid of it. But for people who prefer finger print ID then Apple should provide that option and it could even be consider a 2FA (second factor authentication). Why not?
But here we are all talking about the pros and cons of Face ID and Finger Print ID but in the not too distant future all of these may become obsolete as new technology emerges.
And TouchID fails when FaceID would have trivially unlocked the phone, like with gloves, wet or cold hands. And leave alone trivial things like better security or 3D face scan application, like selfie portrait mode made possible by the sensor.
Actual customers and Apple's top brass appear to be very happy about FaceID so nope.
If Apple goes back to Touch ID I am going back to a flip phone
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Just curious have you tried face ID?
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Just curious have you tried face ID?
I mentioned those if you read my comment fully and not just the first line.
Face ID works near 100% if held infront of face with no face covering (obviously)
Touch ID would occasionally fail even with perfectly normal handling.
Finger tips covered with anything would cause it fail 100%.
You can’t complain about Face ID not working with partly covered face.
Touch ID won’t work with damp finger,much more common situation than part covered face.
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few issues with touch tho...wont work with gloves on... will not work if your fingerprint is worn... what about screen covers? I think face is the future.
Interesting statement on that picture "synaptic signalling processing technology delivers crisp and sharp images for faster matching"...
I believe TouchID doesn't capture an image, it just measures data points on a fingerprint and compares them to the encrypted data points in the secure enclave.
If this system takes actual images of a fingerprint to compare to stored images, I don't think Apple would use it as it doesn't seem as secure as the current TouchID method.
Also I believe TouchID requires the finger to be 'alive', how would this technology detect a fake finger and reject it?
I believe TouchID doesn't capture an image, it just measures data points on a fingerprint and compares them to the encrypted data points in the secure enclave.
If this system takes actual images of a fingerprint to compare to stored images, I don't think Apple would use it as it doesn't seem as secure as the current TouchID method.
Also I believe TouchID requires the finger to be 'alive', how would this technology detect a fake finger and reject it?
My friend works for a UK mobile company and he advised that they seem to fail at around the 4-5 month mark. Could just be a bad batch but he said that they have had to process hundreds of them over the last month. Just the S8 though not the Plus model so probably a bad batch.
If Apple were to bring TouchID back with an under-glass sensor, which I have no objection to at all, I loved TouchID. I hope they still retain FaceID.
If I’m honest I’m actually preferring FaceID over TouchID for the vast majority of the time. I’ve had no problem with it, I find it very quick (I’m in the habit of swiping the screen as I bring it out of my pocket now, so by the time I’m looking at it, it’s unlocked) and now that winter is here I can use my phone with my gloves on. Sure I could tap in my code when I had TouchID, but FaceID is quicker.
If I’m honest I’m actually preferring FaceID over TouchID for the vast majority of the time. I’ve had no problem with it, I find it very quick (I’m in the habit of swiping the screen as I bring it out of my pocket now, so by the time I’m looking at it, it’s unlocked) and now that winter is here I can use my phone with my gloves on. Sure I could tap in my code when I had TouchID, but FaceID is quicker.
Never use my phone in landscape and I place my phone in a charging cradle at work that props it up a bit. Anytime it's on the table, I just bring it a little closer and it works fine. I don't have an issue, sorry you do.
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I don't see it happening either way. Once Apple moves on, they usually don't come back.
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Not an excuse at all, it just doesn't make sense to do it. The notch is what it is, I have no problem with it. I anticipate Apple adding more and more tech to that space over the years. If you have to find the location of the fingerprint sensor, your phone would already be unlocked with Face ID. Maybe if it were the entire screen, it would make sense. Apple isn't going to revert though.
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I don't think about Face ID at all (I have require attention turned off although not sure it makes a difference). I just pick up my phone and swipe up. Finding the fingerprint sensor would take longer. Unless they can implement it under the entire screen, it would be worse.
That's fair, but I don't see Apple reverting back to an inferior solution. I feel like they will always lean towards a solution that doesn't require a users physical input. Wouldn't you have to look for the sensor each time you place your finger since there is no indentation?
I don't really have an opinion on whether Apple should pursue this or not, but I think the first bolded sentence above is definitely a question. As far as redundancy goes, adding more hardware bits that take up space and power and add costs seems like an improbable choice when FaceID already works very well and can no doubt be improved in the next year or two to work even better. It's hard to see Apple seriously pursuing this.
I'd love both options to chose from or even use both for authentication, I would bet there are politicians, business people etc. who would like to double down on security. Still after the bold statements from Apple I see little chance that they would reintroduce Touch ID and admit that it also is a good technology.
Face ID works pretty well and effortless, I like it much more than I thought I would and using Touch ID on the iPad feels a little archaic - but still Face ID has been significantly slower and has had much more misses for me. Most of it can probably be perfected in future software updates, but in this V1 implementation I can't agree that Face ID works better and absolutely not faster than Touch ID in my first two weeks.
Face ID often takes a second or two, sometimes doesn't work (without covering my face, no to the contrary, it still works while chewing or resting my chin on a hand most of the time) and it only works when the phone is about parallel to your face, not while lying on the table, at angles or in landscape orientation. You don't have to be a heretic to admit that Face ID still has its issues, the tech is still in its baby shoes.
Face ID works pretty well and effortless, I like it much more than I thought I would and using Touch ID on the iPad feels a little archaic - but still Face ID has been significantly slower and has had much more misses for me. Most of it can probably be perfected in future software updates, but in this V1 implementation I can't agree that Face ID works better and absolutely not faster than Touch ID in my first two weeks.
Face ID often takes a second or two, sometimes doesn't work (without covering my face, no to the contrary, it still works while chewing or resting my chin on a hand most of the time) and it only works when the phone is about parallel to your face, not while lying on the table, at angles or in landscape orientation. You don't have to be a heretic to admit that Face ID still has its issues, the tech is still in its baby shoes.
Touching anywhere on screen for Touch ID v2 would be really great, far better than anything else, including Face ID, since it will work with wet fingers etc.
Having to touch on a specific spot, however, would be a "meh" compared to Face ID even though it is more reliable / fast.
As I read it in the article, touching anywhere on screen and verifying the fingerprint image no matter where you actually touched seems to be possible (just an assumption).
Having to touch on a specific spot, however, would be a "meh" compared to Face ID even though it is more reliable / fast.
As I read it in the article, touching anywhere on screen and verifying the fingerprint image no matter where you actually touched seems to be possible (just an assumption).
Ha, yes...or, maybe more correctly, I don't see Apple reverting back to _what Apple visionaries, missionaries and evangelists devoutly believe is_ an inferior solution.
But I totally agree.
Back when people thought Apple was doing an in-display fingerprint sensor, it was thought from their patents that it might be image based as well.
An RF signal from the sensor ring passes through your fingertip and is measured by a tiny antenna array in the center part. This gives a 3D image of the fingerprint's ridges, valleys and pores.
Which is why a 3D copy works as well. It's also why a wet finger fails, as that provides a short cicuit signal path across the finger surface instead of having to pass internally.
Synaptics' device includes its own encryption and secure processor.
No, that was a fan myth.
Their security white papers talk generically about looking for temperature, pulse, flexing, etc, but do not give info about the actual methods used in this sensor, other than claiming that they use an AI based scheme which rejects 99% of spoof attempts.
This claim will be tested quickly, no doubt!
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I was an early supporter of FaceId, and it's still a good method. However, its sensors takes up frontal space.
So I can easily see under-screen print sensors being popular on phones where the front is used for a notchless display.
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Ha, yes...or, maybe more correctly, I don't see Apple reverting back to _what Apple visionaries, missionaries and evangelists devoutly believe is_ an inferior solution.
Only downside of Face ID it seems is the angles and speed, which will obviously be improved upon next year. For everything else, its a better solution. I love it for authenticating apps and passwords.
It seems crazy to think that solely face id versus touch id could sway anyone to switch from iphone to android or vice versus. When picking a phone I believe it is more about how you use it in your daily life and what type of experience you want from it.
Also, why is this such a huge issue for so many? Are you in a constant state of emergency on the look out for people stealing your phone. Yes I know phones are filled with our personal information but come on. It seems a little nit picky.
Also, why is this such a huge issue for so many? Are you in a constant state of emergency on the look out for people stealing your phone. Yes I know phones are filled with our personal information but come on. It seems a little nit picky.
That's a good point, I don't see it as much of a sticking point. And why revert back to Touch ID if Face ID works well? Just improve upon Face ID.
