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What is up with that deep notch on the side?

Is this just a concept rendering?

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Someone also points out what happens if you crack the glass? Since its "reading the fingerprint based off the oled pixel reflection" as soon as your display is shattered, their goes your fingerprint reader.

Same goes if an X's glass shatters over the FaceId sensors.

I would love to see this in practice. No doubt Samsung will either make its really really ****** face/iris protection better to battle Apple or include this and say "well now we have 4 ways to authenticate and only recommend one (fingerprint reader) cause the other are "convenient" and not secure.

Biometrics are usually more about convenience anyway. Ultimately they're a bad security choice since our biometrics can't be changed if copied. But they're good enough for most people.

As for Samsung I just read that they're making their iris id even faster and more secure by increasing the camera from 2MP to 3MP. It's already pretty secure since spoofing it requires someone taking a good infrared photo of your iris while you're looking straight at them, then some careful contrast editing and printer experimentation. As with any method, it'd likely ask for the passcode by then.
 
I think Apple absolutely knows that Face ID alone is resulting a substantial amount of failed authentication attempts on the X.

I would guess they have data on the times of day, phone orientations when it is failing and how that compares to Touch ID phones.

I would guess that there is already enough data to justify another attempt at the belt and suspenders approach to Auth on iPhone.

Many folks in these forums claim it is as good as Touch ID, and it is in some ways better. But in some situations it fails when Touch ID wild have trivially unlocked the phone.

I would be very surprised if Apple did not bring Touch ID back to iPhone X’s successor.
FaceID for me works more than Touch ID DID. anecdotal but still...
 
It is so obvious it's going to be for Samsung. They get first dibs on the Snapdragon 845 while other companies like LG and Sony are on the waiting list for the latter half of next year.

Could have just said Top 1 OEM. Obviously, Apple isn't getting it since they are all-in on Face ID and rumors of getting this tech was a bogus story. Apple wanted Face ID since the beginning and weren't waiting for this tech.

The Note9 is going to be a powerhouse. Faster iris scanner and this option. I believe it will arrive on S9 at the earliest but the Note series is Samsung's true flagship. The S-line is their true seller though but Note improves upon the specs six months later.

Hope it arrives for Albacore, Blueline, and Crosshatch (Pixel 3 phones). Pixel line also gets the fastest Qualcomm SoC of the year.
 
I have been critical of Apple and face ID recently. Bought a iphone 8 first before i bought a X. I have to say the iphone X is giving me hope apple hasn't lost it totally. I was totally wrong about the X. And i am glad i was. Apple pulled it off. The X is a homerun. It gave me a similar feeling as when i used the first iphone, even down to the earth wallpaper.

As long as you register your face properly, face ID is near flawless. That is key. I actually forget its even there, which was Apples intention. Fingerprint sensors are inferior. Yes touch ID is a second or a half second faster when unlocking the phone. But once you are logged in, face ID is faster. Weather it's logging into accounts etc.

Apple made the right call.
 
I think to have both FaceID and Touch ID under the display would be best, and let the user decide whether they want to use FaceID, TouchID, both, or neither. It doesn’t seem like it should be beyond the bounds of possibility to happen in the next few years.
 
Gotta hand it to Apple for going all-in with FaceID, but they sorta painted themselves in a corner. If there are big real world flaws or adoption is slow, it could backfire. And with this tech, companies don’t have to choose between fingerprint ID and the headlong plunge into Nobezelville.
 
If Apple was lying to us about not investing in fingerprint tech and we find it in next year's iPhone X successor, I will be sorely disappointed in Apple...

After all they've said about this, I find it incredibly hard to believe that they'd revert back to the fingerprint sensor.
 
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You can argue whatever you want but it's clear this is an optical reader, meaning superficial and relatively easy to defeat. Whether it was hype or not, Apple's TouchID was not optical and did not require any illumination as this sensor states it needs from the oLED screen. TouchID may not have been foolproof but it took work, from the description I'm thinking this could be bypassed with a simple printout made in two minutes.
 
Did not Apple follow Samsung with facial recognition? Yes, Face ID better but Apple is still a follower here. So far I have not seen any rumors about Samsung adding Face ID-like features.
Whoa there! Get your facts straight. Samsung put out a 2-D “facial recognition feature” that’s a hot pile of garbage and cannot be used for secure password applications or financial transactions because it can be opened by a PHOTO of someone’s face. It’s a damn joke. Apple did not follow Samsung. Samsung foolishly forced the feature out prematurely because they thought they’d get cred for being first. But (most) people aren’t morons, and they can see through the sham. So once again, Samsung looks like posers.

Sorry, but Apple’s 3-D facial recognition is truly innovative, incredibly secure, has really fun applications, and is another example of how Apple has been redefining how human beings interface with technology for over 40 years. And when Samsung attempts to copy 3-D facial recognition over the next few years, they will again be copying Apple in matters of substance, and will further cement their fate as followers and also-rans.
 
It is so obvious it's going to be for Samsung. They get first dibs on the Snapdragon 845 while other companies like LG and Sony are on the waiting list for the latter half of next year.

Could have just said Top 1 OEM. Obviously, Apple isn't getting it since they are all-in on Face ID and rumors of getting this tech was a bogus story. Apple wanted Face ID since the beginning and weren't waiting for this tech.

The Note9 is going to be a powerhouse. Faster iris scanner and this option. I believe it will arrive on S9 at the earliest but the Note series is Samsung's true flagship. The S-line is their true seller though but Note improves upon the specs six months later.

Hope it arrives for Albacore, Blueline, and Crosshatch (Pixel 3 phones). Pixel line also gets the fastest Qualcomm SoC of the year.

Powerhouse? With the 845 that’ll still get slaughtered by the A11? That might finally get single core performance that catches up the the A9?

There’s a reason Qualcomm is spending all their time talking about the camera, AI or other features of the 845 - because they simply can’t compete with Apple on the processor portion. So they avoid the topic altogether.
 
I have to say Samsung makes some amazing hardware. Don't you wish Apple would squeeze in all that choice into an iPhone?
Do I wish Apple hardware was a confused, redundant mess? No.
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Agree. What I love about FaceId is when it works before I even realized I needed to authenticate. A touch sensor has to interrupt you to get you to place your finger. This seamlessness is not appreciated by people who do not live with an X.

I would like to see FaceId to get a little faster, support two faces and increase the functional angle.
Sure. Me too. And I’m guessing, just like TouchID improved greatly in Gen2, FaceID will too.
 
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I’d like to see Face ID and this type of Touch ID in the iPhone so that the user has a choice.

Also of interest was the mention of Face ID on iPads. It will need to support multiple faces if so, because many have multiple users.
 
I'm trying to figure out how you will know you are touching the area necessary to unlock the phone since you have no tactile feedback without looking.The nice thing about a button is it was concaved so you could unlock it without having to look at your phone.
 
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I mean, probably not? Why would anyone that dislikes FaceID spend $1k+ to have it on their phone?
I think the point is that most people who don’t like FaceID are simply ignorant, forming ridiculously strong opinions about something they know little about. I got an iPhone X on day one and within two hours I was all-in and annoyed every time I had to click the stupid home button on my iPad Pro.

The physical button is old news. Even 1st gen FaceID is superior in most ways to established TouchID technology, and the gap will only widen in future iterations. My advice to anyone who is “dead set against it” FaceID and hasn’t lived with it for a week: try it before you say things that wind up sounding a lot like the people who protest movies before they’ve seen them.
 
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Samsung will not offer this in s9 or s9+ because they need it in millions for feb-march release. Oppo vivo xiaomi will have it
If you test it last year: it is in a fixed placed and you need to know exactly where it is. In v strong light it doesnt work, if the display is warm to hot it doesnt work
 
Samsung need something for all of the S8 users who have phones that just die on them. Put it on charge and the next morning bricked phone, can’t power or or reset etc no lights or indicators. Then it takes Samsung 3 weeks to replace it. No sure what breaks but there are a hell of a lot of them with the same fault.
 
Don’t see the point. If you have to look for and place your finger in a specific spot, by then your phone would already be unlocked with Face ID. Without some sort of indentation to feel for, you’d have to pay attention each time.

You're just making excuses, so the notch is great, right? Nothing wrong with having that sensor under display.
 
Samsung need something for all of the S8 users who have phones that just die on them. Put it on charge and the next morning bricked phone, can’t power or or reset etc no lights or indicators. Then it takes Samsung 3 weeks to replace it. No sure what breaks but there are a hell of a lot of them with the same fault.
are you serious? its only you or there are a lot more?
 
What info do you have that the rest of us don't that would allow you to swear that they tried and failed?

Clearly it would have been on the phones - just use common sense. Sometimes companies don’t share with the mere mortals.
 
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