I remember when we went 9 to OSX. My dad lost customers, sales went down, and the same stuff was said that I have seen here. Apple is failing, UI will never be the same, on and on. It took a bit change is never easy. Have faith, and report issues. I report every single issue I come across. Thats the only way it will be great.
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System Settings App in macOS Ventura Beta Still Riddled With UI Issues
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Apple is breaking stuff that wasn't broken before and we're supposed to act like this hasn't been going on consistently for the last 11 years?
Hopefully everything if fixed by the time the final version is released.
Yes, everything can be fixed. But what is the cost in terms of man hours of fixing these things again and again? The framework is supposed to make things easier. In this case, the framework makes some things easier and other things a lot more work. The balance isn't there for many.
The first dev beta came out at the beginning of June.
There will be fixes before public release, but there's no time for any fundamental fixes or re-designs. The way things like the Settings app, and Stage Manager, work currently will be almost the same when Ventura goes live.
Fricken app is just software.
People falling for a tweet rant again.
It’s software. It’s not sculpted out of chromium.
It will be updated in builds to come.
People falling for a tweet rant again.
It’s software. It’s not sculpted out of chromium.
It will be updated in builds to come.
they still need the fix the clamshell mode external monitor with magic keyboard touch id no longer waking up a turned off display. still having issues with that even after multiple reports lol. I have it set up that in 10 min no activity while connected or power adapter to turn off display and lock the macbook; but not to put too sleep. Still issues waking up monitor
I believe the MacOS team have looked at how Windows migration from Control Panel is going and copied the approach.
I am running the beta and it's a bit different and annoying. But there is always search. Let's face it, the random order of settings in iOS is also annoying but we're numb to it
I am running the beta and it's a bit different and annoying. But there is always search. Let's face it, the random order of settings in iOS is also annoying but we're numb to it
I'm not going to be worried about a state of a beta release and things moving around yet. I'm just explaining why I think it shouldn't stay as it was and that I welcome the 'modern approach' in general.
Also it's just a settings app, I'll change/use 90% of everything once (a year?), so I wouldn't worry about it much anyway and wait at least till it settles.
Why, oh why would they change the OSX Settings to the confusing iOS - Version? Vertically scrolling on a horizontally oriented screen. That's just stupid and a huge step backwards in user-friendlyness.
If only hardware makers got their software right. Hardware with buggy software is a pain. Textedit STILL has problems not 100% fixed since the Big Sur beta days. Very, very, VERY annoying.
You copy and paste formatted text into a PLAIN text Textedit, and parts of that plain text still see the text copied with a centimetre of space above the first paragraph, and other weirdness.
Granted, it has become less and less troublesome with each new version, and I haven't seen macOS 12.5 screw things up yet, but going from Big Sur betas to today is pretty bad.
I even wrote to Tim Cook, who moved me onto Craig Federighi, who moved me onto someone else, but in the end, I gave up. Whoever borked Textedit in the first place after decades of working right needs to be borked.
The simplest of software on macOS should not be having problems, dammit.
Like I said, I -think- it's finally fixed, but every now and then Textedit would crash. How does a text editor develop an issue with copy and pasting formatted text into a plain text mode and crash?
Someone above mentioned the devs are smoking crack. I'm inclined to believe it.
You copy and paste formatted text into a PLAIN text Textedit, and parts of that plain text still see the text copied with a centimetre of space above the first paragraph, and other weirdness.
Granted, it has become less and less troublesome with each new version, and I haven't seen macOS 12.5 screw things up yet, but going from Big Sur betas to today is pretty bad.
I even wrote to Tim Cook, who moved me onto Craig Federighi, who moved me onto someone else, but in the end, I gave up. Whoever borked Textedit in the first place after decades of working right needs to be borked.
The simplest of software on macOS should not be having problems, dammit.
Like I said, I -think- it's finally fixed, but every now and then Textedit would crash. How does a text editor develop an issue with copy and pasting formatted text into a plain text mode and crash?
Someone above mentioned the devs are smoking crack. I'm inclined to believe it.
And how many new users of MacOS will not know that the current UI is completely inscrutable and you have to mouse over everything and see if anything swipes to even know if there are other preference panes? At least with the old design of everything shown at once as icons, one is guaranteed to be able to find such a setting even if just naively browsing. You always see all the options.
Hidden scroll bars are one of the worst UI/UX concepts ever. I don't know who should be more ashamed, the person who came up with them or the person who approved hidden being the default.
That hasn't happened in the the history of forever, which is why we have dot releases after the fact.
Loving all the people saying 'this is beta software what do you expect'. It's the middle of August, we should already be a few tiny 'only perceptible to geeks' tweaks away from a gold master candidate.
People have been saying this exact thing since 2010, when Lion and the Mac AppStore were first introduced.
It’s been 12 years.
If Apple didn’t do it in 2010 when they brought the App Store, launchpad, and a bunch of other iPad like things to the Mac, I don’t think they’re gonna do it.
If they didn’t do it in 2012 when gatekeeper was introduced as a default option, and they replaced a bunch of legacy Mac apps with more iPad Like ones, I don’t think they’re going to do it.
If they didn’t do it in 2014 when they completely redesigned the operating system to work and look more like the iPad, I don’t think they’re going to do it.
If they didn’t do it in 2017 when they completely changed the file system over to APFS, I don’t think they’re going to do it.
If they didn’t do it in 2018, when they literally introduced a feature to bring iPad apps over to the Mac relatively easily, I don’t think they’re going to do it.
If they didn’t do it in 2020 when they literally switched the Mac over to using iPad Pprocessors, I don’t think they’re going to do it.
Again, it’s been 12 years of this same fear, and so far there’s been absolutely no indication that it’s ever going to happen.
In fact, as far as I can tell, with things like how the iPad implemented keyboard and trackpad support, and how the iPad implemented windowing, Apple is trying to make the way the iPad and the Mac work even more divided.
The iPad has its own way of doing everything that’s completely different from the Mac, and that goes for app distribution as well.
This idea that the Mac will *ever* be as locked down as the iPad is nothing but fear based on nothing.
Just because they change the settings app to have a list instead of a grid doesn’t mean anything
11?
Try 46.
Apple II to Macintosh upset people.
The first iMac upset people.
The first several versions of OS X had tuns of issues and took years to get right.
Same with the first iPod, and the first iPhone, this is not a recent thing.
And it’s certainly not exclusive to Tim Cook’s Apple, plenty of bugs, issues, products, not ready for release going out, “wtf were they thinking” moments under Steve as well.
This might look similar on the surface but that doesn't mean it is the same
The UI for system settings is fundamentally flawed. It's worse on a desktop or trackpad but it's already bad on an iPhone. An extremely long list to scroll where it's hard to find what you're looking for is not a good UI. Lots of people just use search because it's so hard to find what you're looking for
That's not good design
That only helps if all applications comply with that setting. Some of Apple's own applications don't show the scroll bars even when it is set to Always.
Have you seen Tesla's website? Hidden scrollbars everywhere and nothing will make them visible. It's even worse when someone is using a mouse that does not have a scroll function, or a trackpad. Not everyone knows or wants to use multi-finger trackpad gestures on a laptop/desktop computer, and their use should not be required on these systems.
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Yeah iOS 7 was the beginning of the current era of Apple… the Apple that I do not recognize as the same one that won me over in 2008/2009.
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Isn't that (Vertically scrolling on a horizontally oriented screen) how the majority of the web works (including this very forum)?
Seriously I don't know if it is that much astep backwards in user-friendlyness. Heck, that has been part of the Finder all the way back to Panther (2003) as shown at the end of this post. Never mind there are parts of the system panel that work like that since Catalina: Notifications, Accessibility, Internet Accounts, Network, Extensions, User and Groups (if you have a lot of them), as well as Security and Privacy.
I personally like the new Settings, and I am a hardcore Mac user. I think that iOS settings is a lot easier to navigate. Making it look like iOS is a really great step in my opinion.
If you’re not a spatially-oriented person… of course, those of us spatially-oriented people are messed with every time Apple have rearranged the icon layout in preferences. I’ve started using the search box at this point.