They've removed the "start hidden" option, but I do like the list of services (agents and daemons) they now include.
…and there’s still no option to hide apps on launch at login ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The biggest problem is, whenever you buy a new Mac, it comes pre-installed with the latest macOS version, and you can't install older versions. It really annoys me. macOS is slowly but surely going down the drain, and the only solution is to hold onto hardware for years and years, which is not really a solution.
Beta used to mean “it’s finished; check for bugs”. This is more like alpha. Every piece of software from Apple has gotten increasingly worse since 2013.
They're making it as hard to use on Mac as it already is on iOS. Good to know because I'm not a fan of the iOS settings app in general. Just recently I put in "Mail" in the search, about as basic as it gets, and two results came up with the name "Mail". The first was not the one I was looking for. What I was actually looking for was basically "Internet Accounts" in the MacOS System Preferences but iOS doesn't have that and it always annoyed me.
Granted, AppKit or UIKit is much more advanced (or should I say more precisely, has way more possibilities and features) than SwiftUI, and also that SwiftUI seems to be made for iOS first and seems like a port for macOS. It doesn't feel native.
As someone said earlier in this thread. All of his complaints were fixed in the current beta.
And sad news: apple non beta software is a mess too
The foundational design of this new app is so flawed they should just dump it. And maybe do the same with SwiftUI considering how old it is and how horrible it still is
Dude, I'm disappointed in you as I have followed you a while. The industry (Apple, Linux, Windows) is finding it harder and harder to create new UI that is impressive over the Status Quo. Everyone that uses a computer is VERY likely to have a unique collection of apps and that is why some folks have no problem with updates, and for others it's a NIGHTMARE. This is what Betas are for...
Exactly. Gruber calling out SwiftUI as though he actually knows is a bit of a joke.
Considering one of the earlier comments was "It's like it was designed by a bunch of interns on crack" that has to be unintentional pun...I hope.
Exactly the level of software quality I would expect after two years of "working" from home. No real time collaboration and no in person quality control leads to this.
It seems Apple's redesigned macOS Ventura System Settings app, which replaces the System Preferences found in macOS Monterey and earlier versions, is still not without its problems five betas in, as catalogued by developer Niki Tonsky on Twitter.
For those unfamiliar with it, the new System Settings app looks more akin to the Settings app on the iPhone and iPad than it does to the earlier macOS preferences panels, with settings placed in a sidebar for supposedly easier access.
However, Tonsky's thread highlights several bugs and issues with the interface layout in developer betas 4 and 5 of macOS Ventura, including inconsistent use and erratic behavior of basic UI elements like dropdowns and buttons, misaligned text and poorly sized windows, menu titles that are cut off by menu windows, misplaced content, and more.
The System Settings app is built using SwiftUI, Apple's cross-platform user interface layer that works across iOS, macOS, tvOS, and watchOS. Another complex app written in SwiftUI, Shortcuts, has also drawn criticism for similar UI and performance bugs on both macOS and iOS.
Linking to and commenting on Tonsky's tweet thread on his own website, Daring Fireball's John Gruber said there is "something deeply wrong with SwiftUI that, even while in-progress, so many little layout details are apparently hard to get right."
In an interview with Gruber on The Talk Show Live at WWDC 2022, Craig Federighi said that despite what some may think, macOS Ventura's System Settings redesign was not largely inspired by iOS. Federighi insisted that the development team's main goal was consistency for users, and said System Settings on macOS Ventura is a "great interface."
Despite the lingering issues, there's still time for Apple to correct them, as macOS Ventura isn't likely to be scheduled for release until October, or perhaps even early November. Have you had similar experiences interacting with System Settings in the latest beta? What do you think of the new look? Let us know in the comments.
Article Link: System Settings App in macOS Ventura Beta Still Riddled With UI Issues
Exactly, haha. System Settings has its issues, but System Preferences wasn't a perfect application made out of unicorn cake frosting, either. People forget that even back in the Jobs days, Apple's software had issues too. Yes, even their beloved Snow Leopard had its own quirks and issues.
