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HerbertDerb said:
Finland/Eu pricing:

-2.6 i7
-32gb ram
-Vega 20
-512gb

Sums up to lovely 4299€..... Really REALLY starting to thing is this thing worth over 4800$. Ridiculous
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Can't tell you if it's worth it, but I can tell you this: In 2016 I set aside money for a maxed out 15" MBP. But... for a variety of reasons I ended up waiting, and somewhere along the way ended up changing my mind to a "minned out" 13" instead. The money I saved got me a 8700K/32G/1TB nvme/Vega 56 mini workstation, *AND* a small Linux server with 2.5TB storage, and I still got a nice quad core MBP and I still think I paid less in total than I had originally planned.

I'm sure a $4800 laptop is the better choice for some, but for those who can rearrange their requirements slightly, there's really a ton of value to be gained.
 
CodeJoy said:
Can't tell you if it's worth it, but I can tell you this: In 2016 I set aside money for a maxed out 15" MBP. But... for a variety of reasons I ended up waiting, and somewhere along the way ended up changing my mind to a "minned out" 13" instead. The money I saved got me a 8700K/32G/1TB nvme/Vega 56 mini workstation, *AND* a small Linux server with 2.5TB storage, and I still got a nice quad core MBP and I still think I paid less in total than I had originally planned.

I'm sure a $4800 laptop is the better choice for some, but for those who can rearrange their requirements slightly, there's really a ton of value to be gained.
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What spec'd mbp you got?
 
US is the cheapest country to purchase apple stuff.
But even in US, the most expensive MBP is 7049$ pre tax. 7049$ for a laptop with keyboards that fail, T2 chip problems, and thermals that aren't so good.

Well, call me crazy, but I wouldn't say it's worth it.
 
I have a 2017 MBP 15" with the 560X and it treats me exceptionally well. No issues at all - knock on wood.

I'd love to upgrade to Vega 20 and 32GB of RAM (and from 512->1TB while I'm at it), but it would probably cost me $1,500-$2,000 to upgrade. That's a lot of coin for an upgrade that wouldn't really be that much better than what I have.

I think instead I'm going to wait to see what Nvidia 2xxx GPU performance looks like on mobile early next year, and probably splurge on a a refreshed Blade to complement my MBP and replace my gaming tower.

That said, depending on early impressions/benchmarks of the Vega 20, I may be weak...
 
maxgts said:
So much excitement just to play Fortnite at 30fps on a $3000 MacBook Pro with faulty keyboard.
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I love the keyboard on my 2018 Pro. Maybe you should make a genius bar appointment to get yours looked at.
 
dan9700 said:
Apple has really become so Greedy
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There is no dispute about this. If they are going to charge this much money, it better be flawless out of the box which has not been the case. The only way to make them listen is to make sales tank so that senior management will look at the numbers and rethink their mac lineups. Last time I read from bloomberg, there is no more dedicated macos team which is very concerning and yet they chose to charge more and more year after year.
 
If you max out the machine, except the absurd SSD, this machine is:

-i9
-32 GB RAM
-Vega 20
-1 TB

$4249

If you try and be a little more sensible and not load it up:

-i7
-32 GB RAM
-Radeon 560X
-1 TB

$3599

Well, considering my self-imposed budget limitation for a "top spec" 15" is generally not a penny more than $3200, I guess all I can get is a RAM upgrade:

-i7
-32 GB RAM
-Radeon 560X
-512

$3199

At these prices, I have NO qualms using and abusing the student discount.
 
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puma1552 said:
At these prices, I have NO qualms using and abusing the student discount.
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I'd stick with the standard cpu, go with the vega 20 and 32 gigs at 512 hdd, that IMO would seem like the best option money wise. An external HDD if I needed more space to store. Max out the memory and GPU would be most important.
 
puma1552 said:
Same reasons we needed 4 gigs when everyone said nobody needs more than 2 and nobody will EVER need 4.
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Workloads for upcoming 3-4 years will not outgrow 16 GB's of RAM, and if you are a gamer, you still are perfectly fine with 8 GB's of RAM.

16 GB's is plenty right now, and will be for at least upcoming 3 years. At least - if you use Windows, which has much better memory menagment than macOS.
 
koyoot said:
What do you guys need 32 GB's for?
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There are some youtube videos, where people working with Adobe+ AF and others found that their projects went faster with more than 16 gigs of ram. Also, people using virtual machines. IMO the CPU's are so fast these days a 400 mhz bump won't matter much. The GPU and memory seem much more important long term.
 
koyoot said:
Workloads for upcoming 3-4 years will not outgrow 16 GB's of RAM, and if you are a gamer, you still are perfectly fine with 8 GB's of RAM.

16 GB's is plenty right now, and will be for at least upcoming 3 years. At least - if you use Windows, which has much better memory menagment than macOS.
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I'm on a 2010 machine, which was an AppleCare replacement for a 2008 machine I would otherwise still be using. When I spend $3k+, I'm in it for the long haul. 16 GB was available in 2012, so 6-7 years later, I would expect/want more than that, especially if my timeframe is 6-10 years between upgrades.
 
darksithpro said:
There are some youtube videos, where people working with Adobe+ AF and others found that their projects went faster with more than 16 gigs of ram. Also, people using virtual machines. IMO the CPU's are so fast these days a 400 mhz bump won't matter much. The GPU and memory seem much more important long term.
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Of course. I always say, that RAM, SSD, CPU, GPU is priority list in this order. However, this is for desktop, Windows OS systems, and applications.

When I look at Apple computers it appears to be more: GPU, RAM, SSD, CPU, with GPU being a must have being the top of the line option possible to buy. And even on Apple platform there will be problems with "really" filling up those 32 GB's. Yes I can understand workload requirements like VM's, or hardcore video editing.

But most people here who want that 32 GB's do not really need it, and despite that - they still spec it out. That is why I ask: what do they need 32 GB's for?
puma1552 said:
I'm on a 2010 machine, which was an AppleCare replacement for a 2008 machine I would otherwise still be using. When I spend $3k+, I'm in it for the long haul. 16 GB was available in 2012, so 6-7 years later, I would expect/want more than that, especially if my timeframe is 6-10 years between upgrades.
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I can only copy the last paragraph of this post:

But most people here who want that 32 GB's do not really need it, and despite that - they still spec it out. That is why I ask: what do they need 32 GB's for?
 
puma1552 said:
Same reasons we needed 4 gigs when everyone said nobody needs more than 2 and nobody will EVER need 4.
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This is the best response I have seen to people asking the same questions every year. Rest assured I will be quoting your sentence word for word for many years to come.
 
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koyoot said:
But most people here who want that 32 GB's do not really need it, and despite that - they still spec it out.
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People don't need sport cars with 500 horse power, but they still buy them. Would you rather have a Prius that does 0-60 in 11 seconds, or a sports/muscle car than can do it in 4-5?;)
 
c0ppo said:
US is the cheapest country to purchase apple stuff.
But even in US, the most expensive MBP is 7049$ pre tax. 7049$ for a laptop with keyboards that fail, T2 chip problems, and thermals that aren't so good.

Well, call me crazy, but I wouldn't say it's worth it.
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My 2018 MBP is treating me well so far, but I have to be honest: for something that depending on the country costs 4 to 5 grands, the sheer number of out-of-the-box issues we are seeing every year is not acceptable.

It’s not even a matter of whether the hardware is worth it (b/c if you buy a Mac you already know in advance that Apple charges much higher than market rate). The point is that for this kind of money one legitimately expects a level of polish and QC that at the moment is just not there.
 
darksithpro said:
People don't need sport cars with 500 horse power, but they still buy them. Would you rather have a Prius that does 0-60 in 11 seconds, or a sports/muscle car than can do it in 4-5?;)
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MacBook Pro is not a sports car.

If any computer should be compared to any car is by use case. If you only go to the city for shopping, you do not need Nissan GTR, with 3.6 l V6. What you need is actually something, small, cheap, and usable in the city.

Buying Nissan GTR, just to do shopping few times in a week shows that you have more money than brain.
 
Sterkenburg said:
The point is that for this kind of money one legitimately expects a level of polish and QC that at the moment is just not there.
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Last week I purchased two 13" 2018 MBPs and had to return both of them because out of the box they came with scratches, dings, and grime on them. It was the most disappointing experience I've had opening Apple products which usually come in pristine condition. Ended up buying a refurb instead and it arrived in perfect condition.
 
koyoot said:
MacBook Pro is not a sports car.

If any computer should be compared to any car is by use case. If you only go to the city for shopping, you do not need Nissan GTR, with 3.6 l V6. What you need is actually something, small, cheap, and usable in the city.

Buying Nissan GTR, just to do shopping few times in a week shows that you have more money than brain.
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If you need something small, cheap and usable, go buy a 400 dollar laptop at WalMart. People paying upwards of 4-5 thousand dollars expect their laptops to be more like a high end Lexus, or BMW.
 
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