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ATT and Verizon only respond to each other. TMobile is great except they have no coverage, thus they are forced to be more aggressive than the guys who have to spend billions just to keep their existing networks running.

Pretty much ignorant BS from a T-Mobile hater like yourself.

Once T-Mobile gets their native coverage footprint to 300 million covered they will be on par with Verizon and AT&T or nearly on par with them atleast.

T-Mobile currently covers 284 million with 2G EDGE and 260 million people with 4GLTE. They bought 700mhz spectrum from Verizon a few months ago and have already deployed recently started deploying that spectrum in a few cities and will aggressively roll out more of their 700mz spectrum to more areas. This 700mhz spectrum will expand T-Mobile's coverage footprint beyond their current coverage of 284 million people to 300 million people. They plan to have their native foot print increased to 300 million by the end of 2015. John Legere announced in March 2014 that they were upgrading all their 2G edge towers to 4G LTE. They had 234 million covered with LTE in July 2014 and then in OCTober they had 250 million covered and today John LEgere announced they have 260 million covered with 4G LTE , 2 weeks ahead of schedule. They plan to have 284 million covered with 4g LTE by mid 2015 and 300 million by the end of 2015.

T- Mobile has spent billions of dollars upgrading their entire network to 4G LTE and will expand their native coverage footprint from 284 million covered to 300 million native footprint coverage by the end of next year for the first time in the company's history.

http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/issues...illion-americans-months-ahead-of-schedule.htm


More people covered is more land mass covered. AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint all use people covered aka POPs when talking about their networks and sometimes use percentage of Americans covered to talk about their networks. So why should T-Mobile not be able to do the same in their advertising when talking about their network coverage.

Yes, 300 million POPs covered with LTE would mean T-Mobile is covering way more land mass than they currently cover. T-Mobile currently covers 260 million with LTE and about 284 million with 2G EDGE.

If you got to AT&T's website they say the following and I quote "Overall, AT&T covers over 320 million people with its voice and data service, with over 300 million people covered by our 4G LTE network." http://www.att.com/network/en/index....id=o-vrx8GSTU6



John Legere did give a progress report on the Edge to LTE upgrades. They had 250 million covered with LTE at the end of OCT now they have as of today 260 million covered with LTE. A 10 million POPs increase of LTE coverage in just the past 2 months alone.

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/...art/2014-12-16

"Legere also disclosed that T-Mobile now covers 260 million POPs with LTE, beating its year-end coverage goal by around two weeks. He noted that T-Mobile has increased its LTE coverage by 10 million POPs in the past 60 days."
I interpret AT&T statement to mean that 320 million are covered on 2G/3G and that 300 million our covered with 4G LTE.

On Verizon site they just say they cover 97% of Americans. I am sure they cover about 320- 330 million with their native CDMA/3G network and over 306 million with their LTE network

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/...lte/2014-09-04

This article from September 4, 2014 by fiercewireless states
Atat LTE covering 300 million people
Verizon LTE covering 306 million people
 
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I applaud the news, but it's got me a bit disenfranchised as a customer for a couple reasons....

- I'm on the 2 line family plan. It excludes the 1GB plan, so I can't get it.

- T-Mobile says I can change to the 3 GB plan and get it. To get the 2 line, 3GB plan it's $100.. for $100 I can have 2 lines Unlimited. When I pointed this out to their rep, they insisted the 3GB plan is better because of Stash. I explained if I was on unlimited there would be no reason to care about rollover. She just didn't seem to get it. I think it's silly for TMO to have $100 2 line plans 1 unlimited and 1 "stash" ... pointless.
 
Could be cancelled tomorrow. You're not guaranteed for life, unlike specific previous Sprint plans.

You don't think this move is one more step (the last step?) towards tiered data?

It's more of a move to upsell people to 3GB or 5GB plans than anything. I don't see what makes you think it's a threat to unlimited data. Unlimited data is their most expensive data plan and that's the main one they're trying to get more people to buy into. Hell, they just offered a new 2 lines unlimited for $100 promotion. They're not even close to having the expansive rural coverage that would allow them to remove unlimited data as a competitive advantage over VZ/T. If they move to tiered data then they're just Verizon/AT&T with worse coverage. Eliminating their own competitive advantage.

Also when have you known a carrier to just simple move people off plans without their consent? Verizon couldn't even throttle their unlimited data plan users when they attempted to. I see no reason to think T-Mobile will be the first carrier to forcefully remove people from their unlimited data plans. The only thing they could do in the future is remove the option for new customers, but they'd have an uphill battle with the FCC trying to forcibly remove it from those who already have it.
 
Could be cancelled tomorrow. You're not guaranteed for life, unlike specific previous Sprint plans.

You don't think this move is one more step (the last step?) towards tiered data?

They increased the price of last year's $70 unthrottled unlimited plan by $10 to $80/mo. Those who had it at $70 were grandfathered in. I'd assume that those already on either unthrottled unlimited plan would remain on it forever (similar to those on plans prior to Simple Choice).
 
They increased the price of last year's $70 unthrottled unlimited plan by $10 to $80/mo. Those who had it at $70 were grandfathered in. I'd assume that those already on either unthrottled unlimited plan would remain on it forever (similar to those on plans prior to Simple Choice).

Most of those on plans prior to simple choice are being force migrated hence the postcards that many many people have received forcing them to switch. My friend and his family were force migrated recently from their value plan to a simple choice plan after being with TMobile for over 9 years.
 
I applaud the news, but it's got me a bit disenfranchised as a customer for a couple reasons....

- I'm on the 2 line family plan. It excludes the 1GB plan, so I can't get it.

- T-Mobile says I can change to the 3 GB plan and get it. To get the 2 line, 3GB plan it's $100.. for $100 I can have 2 lines Unlimited. When I pointed this out to their rep, they insisted the 3GB plan is better because of Stash. I explained if I was on unlimited there would be no reason to care about rollover. She just didn't seem to get it. I think it's silly for TMO to have $100 2 line plans 1 unlimited and 1 "stash" ... pointless.

Call T- Mobile and switch to their limited time promotional offer which is 2 lines unlimited everything including unlimited 4G data on both lines for $100. Then you won't have to worry about data rollover.

http://www.geek.com/deals-2/geek-de...d-4g-lte-on-t-mobile-for-100-a-month-1611560/
 
I'm confused.

So if I have a plan with 4 lines with 3GB each, does it mean that each line will receive a data stash of 10GB or will it be shared among everyone? I'm assuming each line will be treated independently when it comes to rollover data.
 
How does being owned by Deutsche Telekom (who has tried to dump them, first onto AT&T, and then to Sprint, both unsuccessfully) make them more attractive to you?

It has nothing to do with technology and everything to do with my views on political matters.
 
T-Mobile's 700 MHz is live in the outskirts of Cleveland, Minneapolis, Washington D.C. and Colorado Springs. Sightings have been reported in Detroit.

Huge 700 MHz deployment, along with a massive 300M POP coverage in 2015 onward will come. :D
 
Yeah - This will last. Kind of like the 20K in rollover minutes I had with Cingular when ATT bought them that suddenly went away.

Whats T-Mobile going to do when someone has accrued a Terabyte of Unused data and then tries to actually use it?
Reading is hard.
 
I love T-Mobile and John Legere. So great for the Mobile business. Wish they were in Australia also. Smart guy, very bright and lively personality. Great CEO.
 
Having 300M+ POPs covered by year end 2015 is essentially network parity for the vast majority of people. At which point VZW would only have the coverage advantage in a few remote regions. It will be really interesting to see where the US market goes after that point. I think we as consumers are in for even further price drops and competition come next year as price and perks for the consumer become more of the differentiating factor rather than overall coverage.
 
This is a no-brainer because it won't put any additional stress on their network. Until I switched plans at ATT last week my wife and I had an old family plan with 1400 minutes. We rarely used them all and regularly had between 3,000 and 4,000 minutes rolled over. Did that cause us to somehow panic and decide that we needed to make a bunch of calls, nope! People's data usage habits are just that, habits. It's highly unlikely that someone or some family who regularly use less than all their data and then have it rolled over will run out towards the end of 12 months and suddenly use it all.

I disagree. I never worry about going over my minutes*, but on my data plans it's an issue, I have certain apps set to not use cellular data, if I had a crazy amount of data banked, I think I'd use more if it. I'd turn Flipboard on (to use data), I'd let my apps do over-the-air updates and I'd probably tether more. Especially when traveling, I'd have the ability to tether by going over my normal allotment, so it's likely that I would...

Gary

* = I'm on a 700 minute plan with AT&T but I generally roll over 400+ minutes. Why don't I lower my plan? Because then I loose something that gets me lots of free minutes (I can't remember it's either my A-List [10 free landline numbers] or free mobile-to-any-mobile, both of which we use 400-ish minutes which would then take me over the minutes on the lower plan. (We actually talk more like 1100 minutes a month but only use 200-300 of the plan minutes, the rest are A-list or M2AM).
 
Call T- Mobile and switch to their limited time promotional offer which is 2 lines unlimited everything including unlimited 4G data on both lines for $100. Then you won't have to worry about data rollover.

http://www.geek.com/deals-2/geek-de...d-4g-lte-on-t-mobile-for-100-a-month-1611560/

But I only pay $80 for 2 lines with 1 GB. I just don't see why they say all simple choice plans eligible for rollover data EXCEPT the 1GB plan. When I called she said "it's because we give you 1GB free data per line on the $80 simple choice family plan" ... so I said wait a second, "free" you don't mean "included in the price?" and she said no, it's included free. I guess next time I get the $80 bill I'll just throw it away since they're telling me its free. LOL
 
But I only pay $80 for 2 lines with 1 GB. I just don't see why they say all simple choice plans eligible for rollover data EXCEPT the 1GB plan. When I called she said "it's because we give you 1GB free data per line on the $80 simple choice family plan" ... so I said wait a second, "free" you don't mean "included in the price?" and she said no, it's included free. I guess next time I get the $80 bill I'll just throw it away since they're telling me its free. LOL


What plan are you on exactly?
 
Apart from having a **** network compared to Verizon and AT&T.

It's a gimmick to try and fool people into thinking they are getting something useful.


I get great coverage where I am in CA. It is not a gimmick for my family and it will be very useful. I have 4 lines on T-Mobile 1 with unlimited data and the other 3, 4.5 GB of high speed data. Their usage fluctuates every month. Thus, it will come in handy to be able to ROLLOVER unused high speed data for up to 12 months. You sound like an Atat or Verizon worker trying to downplay how great this is because those 2 companies are NOT doing any uncarrier moves to change the industry.

You're ignorant. There network is currently not as good. However, T-Mobile has greatly improved their network compared to where it was at a year ago. Furthermore by the end of next year T-Mobile coverage will be on par or nearly on par with At&t and Verizon's network. So to call their network ****** is ignorant as can be.

Once T-Mobile gets their native coverage footprint to 300 million covered they will be on par with Verizon and AT&T or nearly on par with them atleast.

T-Mobile currently covers 284 million with 2G EDGE and 260 million people with 4GLTE. They bought 700mhz spectrum from Verizon a few months ago and have already deployed recently started deploying that spectrum in a few cities and will aggressively roll out more of their 700mz spectrum to more areas. This 700mhz spectrum will expand T-Mobile's coverage footprint beyond their current coverage of 284 million people to 300 million people. They plan to have their native foot print increased to 300 million by the end of 2015. John Legere announced in March 2014 that they were upgrading all their 2G edge towers to 4G LTE. They had 234 million covered with LTE in July 2014 and then in OCTober they had 250 million covered and today John LEgere announced they have 260 million covered with 4G LTE , 2 weeks ahead of schedule. They plan to have 284 million covered with 4g LTE by mid 2015 and 300 million by the end of 2015.

T- Mobile has spent billions of dollars upgrading their entire network to 4G LTE and will expand their native coverage footprint from 284 million covered to 300 million native footprint coverage by the end of next year for the first time in the company's history.

http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/issues-...f-schedule.htm



More people covered is more land mass covered. AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint all use people covered aka POPs when talking about their networks and sometimes use percentage of Americans covered to talk about their networks. So why should T-Mobile not be able to do the same in their advertising when talking about their network coverage.

Yes, 300 million POPs covered with LTE would mean T-Mobile is covering way more land mass than they currently cover. T-Mobile currently covers 260 million with LTE and about 284 million with 2G EDGE.

If you got to AT&T's website they say the following and I quote "Overall, AT&T covers over 320 million people with its voice and data service, with over 300 million people covered by our 4G LTE network." http://www.att.com/network/en/index....id=o-vrx8GSTU6



John Legere did give a progress report on the Edge to LTE upgrades. They had 250 million covered with LTE at the end of OCT now they have as of today 260 million covered with LTE. A 10 million POPs increase of LTE coverage in just the past 2 months alone.

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/...art/2014-12-16

"Legere also disclosed that T-Mobile now covers 260 million POPs with LTE, beating its year-end coverage goal by around two weeks. He noted that T-Mobile has increased its LTE coverage by 10 million POPs in the past 60 days."
I interpret AT&T statement to mean that 320 million are covered on 2G/3G and that 300 million our covered with 4G LTE.

On Verizon site they just say they cover 97% of Americans. I am sure they cover about 320- 330 million with their native CDMA/3G network and over 306 million with their LTE network

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/...lte/2014-09-04

This article from September 4, 2014 by fiercewireless states
Atat LTE covering 300 million people
Verizon LTE covering 306 million people
 
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2 things

I noticed that the 10GB is just 10GB until you use it, it doesn't count as part of the rollover data. I'd have jumped on to have that 10GB seed data, but if it's just going to go away and I'm not rolling it over I guess I'd just spend the first month burning through 10GB (and I guess it's an extra 10GB if you buy the 3GB or 10GB plan, so go cheap to start...).

It looks like the rollover does apply to the 1GB data plan for an iPad or other table.

Gary
 
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