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Taiwanese iPhone 12 Pre-Orders Sold Out in 45 Minutes

incoherent_1 said:
As an Apple fan, technologist (and fellow shareholder), I worry about the reputation Apple is earning for itself. And it isn’t “luxury.” Many of my family and friends left Apple because they view them as greedy and resting on their laurels. And these aren’t people who can’t afford it (one is a top tier surgeon who makes easily a half mil a year and his wife is a VP at a bank). Customers who leave on those terms aren’t easily, or quickly, won back.
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VP of banks and Surgeons are not in the hundreds of millions. Those are in the 1% group and is not representitive of the wider base of iPhone users. Apple use to be considered a luxury brand, specifically when they built just computers. But that has changed significantly over the years, yes, expensive, but not out of reach. I personally am a testament to that. When I started earning good money, in one day, I spent 5 grand on Apple products: maxed out iPhone X, 13 inch MacBook Pro for my brother, iPad Pro 12 for my brother - smart case and pencil, Apple Watch Series. I wasn’t even earning what would be considered high income. But it was a lot of money to not make me second guess about buying.

What I realized for this is, these products, while high quality, are not necessarily out of reach for a lot of consumers, especially in these times. While I don’t have that previous job that allowed me to splurge, if I wanted an iPad Air and iPhone 12 Max Pro, it wouldn’t require much from me on my current income to buy it. Another proof of this, I was in a convenience store, and saw some buying stuff with a EBT card, yet there she was with an iPhone 11 Pro Max in hand. I thought that was really interesting. Thousand dollar phone, but you are food stamps.

For me personally, is, I am just not excited anymore and I am more practical about my upgrades. 95% of what a iPhone 12 does, my iPhone X can do too. Sure, 12 has more RAM, can record DOLBY HDR videos, but the fact is, do I even need that today or tomorrow? Nope.
 
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incoherent_1 said:
I don’t look forward to the deluge of 5G marketing yoga we’re about to see — many contortions to convince people they need a 5G phone and/or service plan when in reality 98%+ of people will probably never notice the difference.
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If Apple didn't include 5G in the iPhone 12, they would get bashed. Now they include it and they still get bashed for marketing it. Meanwhile Samsung markets their latest models with 5G as part of the model name and I don't hear any complaints.
 
iFan said:
This is a new/different promo and applies to existing customers.
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Here is where people will get tripped up:

Eligible Trade-in Smartphones:
  • To qualify for $800 credit, minimum Trade-In value must be $95 or higher after device condition questions have been answered
We will be at the mercy of their definition of trade-in value. Like I experienced, my flawless iphone 8/256 (new battery) was valued at $115. If they decide the trade-in value is only $90, then you will get screwed and get only:

  • To qualify for $350 credit, minimum Trade-In value must be $35 or higher after device condition questions have been answered

If the used phone you're trading in is not worth enough, then you'll get screwed out of $450 ($800-350)!!!
 
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aajeevlin said:
You are making it sound as if none of the other business are greedy or resting on their laurels. One thing I have leaned in life. No matter how good/bad you are there will always be someone to criticize you. If they don’t think the Apple tax is worth the Apple hardware/service benefit then have a go at other systems.
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Right, but then you have a situation of a snake eating its own tail. More and more people get unhappy with Apple because of higher prices and less innovation, so they leave, causing Apple to raise prices to maintain profit levels, then rinse and repeat and by the end of the day we have Microsoft of the late 1990s/early 2000s. I hope we can avoid that...
 
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Abazigal said:
Apple literally had to move mountains in order to even make the iphone 12 happen this year. In addition to managing a myriad of annual software updates, the Apple Watch, the transition to ARM Macs, plus a plethora of rumoured product releases that have yet to materialise, and they are “resting on their laurels”?
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These are my friends and family I’m quoting — I’m not saying so myself.

To them, Apple’s iPhones have gone up in price hundreds of dollars more over the last few years and the average end user (not geeks like us) isn’t seeing major breakthroughs. To the average Joe, Intel -> ARM transition means nothing (and even if you explained it they’d wonder why that means their iPhone has double in price over a few years)
 
Mr. Dee said:
VP of banks and Surgeons are not in the hundreds of millions. Those are in the 1% group and is not representitive of the wider base of iPhone users. Apple use to be considered a luxury brand, specifically when they built just computers. But that has changed significantly over the years, yes, expensive, but not out of reach. I personally am a testament to that. When I started earning good money, in one day, I spent 5 grand on Apple products: maxed out iPhone X, 13 inch MacBook Pro for my brother, iPad Pro 12 for my brother - smart case and pencil, Apple Watch Series. I wasn’t even earning what would be considered high income. But it was a lot of money to not make me second guess about buying.

What I realized for this is, these products, while high quality, are not necessarily out of reach for a lot of consumers, especially in these times. While I don’t have that previous job that allowed me to splurge, if I wanted an iPad Air and iPhone 12 Max Pro, it wouldn’t require much from me on my current income to buy it. Another proof of this, I was in a convenience store, and saw some buying stuff with a EBT card, yet there she was with an iPhone 11 Pro Max in hand. I thought that was really interesting. Thousand dollar phone, but you are food stamps.

For me personally, is, I am just not excited anymore and I am more practical about my upgrades. 95% of what a iPhone 12 does, my iPhone X can do too. Sure, 12 has more RAM, can record DOLBY HDR videos, but the fact is, do I even need that today or tomorrow? Nope.
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My daughter is on SNAP and has a nice iPhone because I bought it for her. Please don’t rush to judge those who you know nothing about.
 
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Hopefully this won't be the case for the 12 Pro max and 12 Mini since the pre-orders aren't till 11/6/2020. So I would assume that they would start making those now and set them aside. I remember seeing iphone X produced in September even though it wasn't released in November.
 
Mr. Dee said:
VP of banks and Surgeons are not in the hundreds of millions. Those are in the 1% group and is not representitive of the wider base of iPhone users. Apple use to be considered a luxury brand, specifically when they built just computers. But that has changed significantly over the years, yes, expensive, but not out of reach. I personally am a testament to that. When I started earning good money, in one day, I spent 5 grand on Apple products: maxed out iPhone X, 13 inch MacBook Pro for my brother, iPad Pro 12 for my brother - smart case and pencil, Apple Watch Series. I wasn’t even earning what would be considered high income. But it was a lot of money to not make me second guess about buying.

What I realized for this is, these products, while high quality, are not necessarily out of reach for a lot of consumers, especially in these times. While I don’t have that previous job that allowed me to splurge, if I wanted an iPad Air and iPhone 12 Max Pro, it wouldn’t require much from me on my current income to buy it. Another proof of this, I was in a convenience store, and saw some buying stuff with a EBT card, yet there she was with an iPhone 11 Pro Max in hand. I thought that was really interesting. Thousand dollar phone, but you are food stamps.

For me personally, is, I am just not excited anymore and I am more practical about my upgrades. 95% of what a iPhone 12 does, my iPhone X can do too. Sure, 12 has more RAM, can record DOLBY HDR videos, but the fact is, do I even need that today or tomorrow? Nope.
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I think our opinions are totally in alignment :) All I was saying is the average person is seeing much higher device prices with smaller and smaller marginal benefit in “new” features, which is what you’ve described here.
 
markbyrn said:
If Apple didn't include 5G in the iPhone 12, they would get bashed. Now they include it and they still get bashed for marketing it. Meanwhile Samsung markets their latest models with 5G as part of the model name and I don't hear any complaints.
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I don’t have any problem with them adding the 5G feature. I have a problem with them making it a headline feature that they and carriers bombard people with advertising to make them think they need something that either isn’t available in their area or wouldn’t have a noticeable performance improvement for 98% of users.
 
incoherent_1 said:
Right, but then you have a situation of a snake eating its own tail. More and more people get unhappy with Apple because of higher prices and less innovation, so they leave, causing Apple to raise prices to maintain profit levels, then rinse and repeat and by the end of the day we have Microsoft of the late 1990s/early 2000s. I hope we can avoid that...
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I guess you are right. But in Apples case as long as there is no net loss I think they are okay. I see people leaving and people converting over all the time.
 
incoherent_1 said:
As an Apple fan, technologist (and fellow shareholder), I worry about the reputation Apple is earning for itself. And it isn’t “luxury.” Many of my family and friends left Apple because they view them as greedy and resting on their laurels. And these aren’t people who can’t afford it (one is a top tier surgeon who makes easily a half mil a year and his wife is a VP at a bank). Customers who leave on those terms aren’t easily, or quickly, won back.
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oh well. Bandwagon purchases come and go
 
CHT telecom says first day orders were 3x higher than last years iphone 11....so the was it demand or supply constraints has been answered....its demand
 
NBAasDOGG said:
Sold out because of low production numbers or high demand?
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High demand, I presume. It says that they sold-out their available quota, meaning hardware that will ship on time. And later on it says that the pre-orders were 3 times higher, which essentially filled up the available quota.
 
gnasher729 said:
Since there was no iPhone 12 before, the iPhone 12 price cannot have increased. What exactly are you comparing?
Also, you can get an iPhone XR for $100 less than before, and an iPhone 11 for $100 less than before.
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Easy, the prior years base iPhone, the 11 starting at $649. Having the 12 have a 28% price increase ($829) after a couple of years of price decreases is really significant and I'd expect it to cost them sales (its a huge price increase), but we'll see.
 
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I think there's a pent up demand for an OLED iPhone. OLED screen has been available on high end android phones for awhile now.
 
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