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Yes, but China has way bigger issues than piracy anyway.

Anyway, I don't pirate anything nowadays because I use a spotify free account which has everything I could want instantly and in addition spotify is a nice player. My internet connection comes inseparably with an on demand tv service too. It has to do with convenience, not with pirating for the sake of pirating.
 
I'm very confused. How can Apple's free trial put an artist out of business? Does the artist need to fork over money just for their music to be heard for free? It's digital. They've already done the work. Apple will be paying significant costs in terms of bandwidth, marketing and promotions, the DJs, and customer support. This can only be good for artists in the long run. Three months is not going to make or break an artist that wasn't already going to make it or break it without Apple Music.

I understand the whole "not working for free" stance, but how much work will artists be doing for Apple Music during those three months? None. Nada. Nothing. But if they saw the bigger picture, Apple Music could make them more successful than they could've been without the service. Is this a case of biting the hand that feeds you (in the future)?
 
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Talented or otherwise, however anyone tries to dress it up or dress it down, whether or not she wrote the lyrics or the music, in the eyes of the law and her contract, Taylor Swift is the principle copyright owner of the material.
So??? And??? She's the principle owner okay....don't see why you even said that to me. I never said she wasn't. I was only making a point about what's is considered talent and what equates to record sales.
 
ok what about an itunes 3 months card


Respect has to be earned? So you don't respect people by default unless they earn your respect first, and why they should do that? who are you?

Cause if you don't respect people you are gonna end with a punch on your face one of these days...just saying.

Perhaps you are confused, you meant: admiration not respect.

Not confused.

I meant respect. Respect has to be earned.

Perhaps you're confusing politeness with respect.
 
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I'm very confused. How can Apple's free trial put an artist out of business? Does the artist need to fork over money just for their music to be heard for free? It's digital. They've already done the work. Apple will be paying significant costs in terms of bandwidth, marketing and promotions, the DJs, and customer support. This can only be good for artists in the long run. Three months is not going to make or break an artist that wasn't already going to make it or break it without Apple Music.

I understand the whole "not working for free" stance, but how much work will artists be doing for Apple Music during those three months? None. Nada. Nothing. But if they saw the bigger picture, Apple Music could make them more successful than they could've been without the service. Is this a case of biting the hand that feeds you (in the future)?
Trust the fact that most if not all of the people here comprehend with what you're saying, but because what you're saying is so logical they will refuse to agree with you because then they can't show hatred for Apple. :)
 
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Not confused.

I meant respect. Respect has to be earned.

I disagree, you respect people by default cause if you don't you could end dead one of these days.

Now if that person offends you then i pretty much agree you don't need to respect him.

If respect means admiration then i agree that should be earned.
 
If you introduce a new revenue stream that no one had access to before, does Apple's free trial period actually hurt anyone? It's sort of hard to imagine how a new revenue stream will cost any artist, big or small, any amount of real money in the near term. That said, if Apple can convert some ad supported Radio listeners into paid subscriptions, that could be a potential boon for artists. I think Swift got this one wrong, though I'm sure it will give her some populist appeal. So, while I don't think her point is valid, intended or not, it may give her a boost from other artists/fans.

What about people who are now paying for spotify but when Apple Music drops, the’ll stop paying for spotify and enjoy 3 months of free trial. And also the people who might have wanted to buy a CD but now they will not because they can enjoy it free for 3 months. I think an artist might expect a dramatic drop in revenue because of this. Don’t you think?

And again, this is not about Taylor but about other, smaller artists. Imagine that there are regional offices of big labels in countries you might never heard of, which sign regional artists. Those artist, who might rely on revenue from streaming can not only expect a drop in revenue, but also get screwed over by their label and there’s nothing they or the label’s regional office can do about it. They all can disagree, but they can’t do s*ite about it.
 
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ok what about an itunes 3 months card


Respect has to be earned? So you don't respect people by default unless they earn your respect first, and why they should do that? who are you?

Cause if you don't respect people you are gonna end with a punch on your face one of these days...just saying.

Perhaps you are confused, you meant: admiration not respect.

Again, people pay for what they want and pay after estimated value.

Music industry....geez...they have been underpaid for decades....lol.

Aren´t a industry adapting to the customers and adjusting the price of their products after customers requests?

I´m selling a car, nobody wants it, but hell yeah, I ask for premium price...go figure.
 
I did say for me. I didn't say "stop listening to crappy pop music and go listen to [insert genre here]". That would be the definition of a snob. I am simply strongly opinionated.

The problem with pop music nowadays it that its too fake and manipulated. Highly processed vocals and autotuned to "perfection" makes music sound great, but then you go watch them live...and it's a disappointment (unless they're lip-syncing, which is common).

There will always be good music and bad music, even though a lot of that is down to subjectivity. However, as a whole, I believe rock, country, R&B, etc...all provide a better musical experience than mainstream pop because autotune isn't as prevalent and it takes talent to actually perform a great live show. Look at Aretha Franklin, Guns n' Roses, Bon Jovi, Blake Shelton, Garth Brooks, Carrie Underwood...I could go on and on. They don't need a computer or lip syncing for them to sound good, whereas when it comes to artists like Meghan Trainor, Iggy Azalea, Maroon 5, etc...not so much.

There is no mainstream band as good as Pink Floyd or even Dire Straits nowadays. Not one. And I bet no current artist will make the next DSOTM.

If people want to listen to those artists, by all means. I just simply think that about 98% of mainstream pop is generic at best and an abomination at worse. It is nowhere near the 80s or 90s quality (not that there weren't bad songs, but way less than today).

But then again I'm not part of generation Z, so I don't see the appeal in today's pop music sans some artists. :p

OK - but you did say "is better" rather than "I prefer".

Its all subjective, but I think there is great much in every genre.

There are plenty of great bands around still, even if they don't have the status that bands in the 80s at the height of the MTV era might have had.

I'm 44 and honestly think 1989 is one of the best pop albums I've ever heard. Pop is littered with great tracks, but truly great pop albums are fewer and further between.
 
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I disagree, you respect people by default cause if you don't you could end dead one of these days.

Now if that person offends you then i pretty much agree you don't need to respect him.

If respect means admiration then i agree that should be earned.


Not confused.

I meant respect. Respect has to be earned.

Perhaps you're confusing politeness with respect.
 
I'm very confused. How can Apple's free trial put an artist out of business? Does the artist need to fork over money just for their music to be heard for free? It's digital. They've already done the work. Apple will be paying significant costs in terms of bandwidth, marketing and promotions, the DJs, and customer support. This can only be good for artists in the long run. Three months is not going to make or break an artist that wasn't already going to make it or break it without Apple Music.

I understand the whole "not working for free" stance, but how much work will artists be doing for Apple Music during those three months? None. Nada. Nothing. But if they saw the bigger picture, Apple Music could make them more successful than they could've been without the service. Is this a case of biting the hand that feeds you (in the future)?

Let’s say you have an app in AppStore and Apple decides it would be a great idea to have an AppStore subscription. But making apps is your day-to-day job and you rely on income from it. And you will not get paid for 3 months. That’s 1/4 of the year. Would you say it’s fine, because you already released the thing?

Good for you supporting a multi-billion company.
 
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Not confused.

I meant respect. Respect has to be earned.

Perhaps you're confusing politeness with respect.

Yeah perhaps, but pretty much respect and admiration are the same thing:

re‧spect
1
admiration
[uncountable]when you admire someone, especially because of their personal qualities, knowledge, or skills [↪ admiration]
http://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/respect_1

And i agree, admiration has to be earned of course.

But i don't think the other guy was asking for your admiration, pretty much i think he was asking for you to tolerate his point of view, you can or can't do it of course.
 


We don't ask you for free iPhones. Please don't ask us to provide you with our music for no compensation.

In Australia I can walk into an Apple store and get a full refund, no questions asked for any two week old iPhone, Mac, AppleWatch, $40k Mac Pro, heck they would probably accept a used tissue they gave me.

Apple take the loss on the chance that you may keep it, people will use this service with or without you, but without you they will pirate you album and you wont see a cent...
 
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This is precisely why she, and any artist really, has a right to be unhappy about Apple's free trial period. Very few albums last for more than a few weeks at the top of the charts. In the pop world, being new is everything. If your album happens to "drop" during the trial, you're kinda screwed. (I suppose labels should just be smart about timings of releases during the trial period...)

I think that is an oversimplification and exaggeration though.

The vast majority of revenue from a new album will be from actual sales.

From the graphic here:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/infobeautiful2/selling_out_550.png

An artist needs around 330,000 streams to = 1 album sale.

So assuming the artist actually sells some copies of their new album, any lost revenue as a result of a free trial on one streaming service is actually going to be a tiny fraction of the total revenue generated.
 
No trolling at all, although I admit it can look like that simply because it looks like we're very different persons. I've not searched because she looks like a pop singer and I don't like pop music. Of course it would be nice to have some more detailed photos so I can know her a little bit better :oops: Just curiosity

For the looks of it, thank god for that - being very different persons.

Seriously dude, don't write stuff like this here, you're embarrassing yourself... just as a little, lonely, (lazy?) dirty-old-man would.

This is not the forum for such requests. And yet you claim for respect to others?

Sad.
 
Again, people pay for what they want and pay after estimated value.

Music industry....geez...they have been underpaid for decades....lol.

Aren´t a industry adapting to the customers and adjusting the price of their products after customers requests?

I´m selling a car, nobody wants it, but hell yeah, I ask for premium price...go figure.

Once more...

I pay for the possibility to stream music to my devices.

Just because one artist is available on this streaming service makes her good, or even erhmmm, nice to listen to?
Yeah, right.

I don´t know this Swift, or her music, so I´m not interested to pay for her music.

There´s so much more I want to pay up for instead.

Let her whine and complain, I just don´t care.

Leave her out then of this streaming....thing.
 
For the looks of it, thank god for that - being very different persons.

Seriously dude, don't write stuff like this here, you're embarrassing yourself... just as a little, lonely, dirty-old-man would.

This is not the forum for such requests. And yet you claim for respect to others?

Sad.

I haven't, have I? You don't have to be worried about my embarrassment I assure you :D
 
1 cd costs 10 bucks, 1 Spotify or AM service month the same (hundreds of albums), is that fair? i disagree, they are almost giving away the music.
 
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