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Funny how Apple was applauded last week here for raising the commission payout for the artists after the trial period and now today they are a bully because of Taylor Swift's little silly letter. Hmmm.[/QUOTE
Funny how Apple was applauded last week here for raising the commission payout for the artists after the trial period and now today they are a bully because of Taylor Swift's little silly letter. Hmmm.
I don´t want to pay premium for her music, who does?
 
Good for Taylor Swift. Apple is acting like a bully. This is Apple's service, so Apple needs to take the hit in offering free music for the first three months, not the artists and writers. I hope this gets a ton of PR and Apple backs down.

It might be its service but the utilities won't be 100% for Apple...so artist should face the truth, things are not for free...
 
Funny how Apple was applauded last week here for raising the commission payout for the artists after the trial period and now today they are a bully because of Taylor Swift's little silly letter. Hmmm.

The double standards are real. Watch how many people here will sign up next week for AM.
 
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Why should Apple pay artists during a free trial? It's the same principle. Apple are not a charity, they redacted very long agreement and presented it to artists. If artists get pissed and don't want to be on the service, that's their choice.

Many have accepted the agreement, so not everyone is furious like Ms Swift.

The problem is many artists don’t have the luxury of saying no, because they’re signed to, let’s say WBR. Not all artists are millionaires. Many of them are small regional artists which are signed to WBR’s regional office. And they can’t do s**t about WBR’s decision.

The fact that Apple is also not making profit in those 3 months is not valid for me. It’s their service, their risk. Why should they also put my money on the table when I don’t want to take the risk?
 
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This is a discussion without an ending.

But I won't pay more than 10bucks/month for an streaming service, thats it.

What brand on the service, I don´t care, as long as it go with the music I want to hear.

Sorry Swift, you´re out for the moment.
 
What about people who are now paying for spotify but when Apple Music drops, the’ll stop paying for spotify and enjoy 3 months of free trial.

Then struggling artists, the ones the concern is supposed to be all about, will lose about $2, but potentially earn more than they otherwise would have if Apple Music didn't launch.

Again, for all the huffing and puffing, when you actually plug some numbers into any of this, it doesn't hold much water.

And also the people who might have wanted to buy a CD but now they will not because they can enjoy it free for 3 months. I think an artist might expect a dramatic drop in revenue because of this. Don’t you think?

No. Because people who would prefer to listen to music for free rather than buy the album are already listening for free on Spotify. Difference here is that those people won't be able to listen to the album for free forever on Apple Music like they can on Spotify.

And again, this is not about Taylor but about other, smaller artists. Imagine that there are regional offices of big labels in countries you might never heard of, which sign regional artists. Those artist, who might rely on revenue from streaming can not only expect a drop in revenue, but also get screwed over by their label and there’s nothing they or the label’s regional office can do about it. They all can disagree, but they can’t do s*ite about it.

How much revenue does a typical struggling artist typically make from streaming in 3 months?
 
This is a discussion without an ending.

But I won't pay more than 10bucks/month for an streaming service, thats it.

What brand on the service, I don´t, care as long as it go with the music I want to hear.

Sorry Swift, you´re out for the moment.

Yeah its pretty complex, so far i can't give my support to any of them (not that they need it either LOL).

Both parts only know their game.
 
you test drive a car for a couple of miles. Apple's 3 month free trial is akin to a dealer letting a prospective buyer test drive a car for a week.
Where I come from some dealers will actually give you a week long test drive if it's not an in-demand model.

This is quite a bit different from test driving a car. People know what Apple is and know what streaming is. This isn't some new market we are talking about here. This is an established market and there are low switching costs between Spotify and Apple. Artists giving away songs for free should be their doing not Apple's. You didn't see Apple starting off iTunes with a freemium try it for 3 months free model. No people had to pay immediately.
I'm pretty sure most car makers are pretty familiar to car buyers and they know roughly what to expect when they go out and test drive a car. Netflix, Spotify and most other streaming services have ether trial or free versions of their services. The only difference is that Apple went with a trial longer than the usual month.
 
Sorry for being so sarcastic. What I mean is I do care and the second paragraph should state why. I like Taylor (her older stuff) but that doesn’t mean I’m blindly defending her. I’m defending her opinion which I believe is right. And even if she’s doing it for attention, she is right. There are people who, again, have music as their day-to-day job and they need to cover their costs of living from music revenue. And they absolutely can expect a drop. How drastic? We’ll see, but I doubt it will be insignificant. And because I also like smaller indie artist, I don’t want them to stop making music I love. Those small artists have weak voice in negotiations with Apple. So they need people like Tay to stand behind them and tell Apple that it isn’t right.

Hope that answers your question better.
Trust the fact that she did this for self promotion and nothing more. Notice how many posts, over 1000 now, are about her. If this was truly about the needs of Indie artists she would've named a bunch of them to help them out. She didn't. She just mentioned Indie artists to gain leverage . She did this to promote herself and I'll bet she was pushed by her record label. You can also trust the fact that she doesn't have your best interest at heart like you have hers.
 
The problem is many artists don’t have the luxury of saying no, because they’re signed to, let’s say WBR. Not all artists are millionaires. Many of them are small regional artists which are signed to WBR’s regional office. And they can’t do s**t about WBR’s decision.

The fact that Apple is also not making profit in those 3 months is not valid for me. It’s their service, their risk. Why should they also put my money on the table when I don’t want to take the risk?

What you're saying probably also happened when Spotify came around, then Google Music, etc. History has a tendency of repeating itself.
 
Why should Apple pay artists during a free trial? It's the same principle. Apple are not a charity, they redacted very long agreement and presented it to artists. If artists get pissed and don't want to be on the service, that's their choice.

Many have accepted the agreement, so not everyone is furious like Ms Swift.

Potentially alot of them could be furious, they just can't do anything about it.

The majority of artists didn't make that decision, their label did because the label owns their music, they dont. Nobody had to call the majority these artists because they're not the ones who own their music or make that decision.

Taylor Swift is on a small indie label where she is by far the biggest star and probably makes them 90% of their money so she is in a very unique situation where she has the type of clout where if she wants something done her label will usually oblige to it.

Artists signed to major labels can't do that. Which is why she states she's taking a stand for those who can't.
 
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The problem is many artists don’t have the luxury of saying no, because they’re signed to, let’s say WBR. Not all artists are millionaires. Many of them are small regional artists which are signed to WBR’s regional office. And they can’t do s**t about WBR’s decision.

The fact that Apple is also not making profit in those 3 months is not valid for me. It’s their service, their risk. Why should they also put my money on the table when I don’t want to take the risk?

Utilities won't be 100% for Apple after the 3 month trial either...yeah its their service but utilities those are shared..
 
I read the first two pages of comments and part of this one.

I can't sit here all night reading 37.5 pages when I already know the results. 25% hate Apple, 25% hate Taylor Swift, all the rest just posted here because they confuse wisdom with seeing their screen name in public. Oh, and two people will find a way to make this about Beats, while twelve respondents will try to twist it into a Bose thing... ;)

As I read it, this policy of Apple's does seem to be discriminating. It discriminates against all artists who are artists now, and it doesn't discriminate against people who might not form their band or release their recordings for another 3 months.

So can artists just say "skip it" until September?

On the flip side of that, I've heard some entrepreneurs say that they've never made so much money in their lives as they did when they started giving things away for free. Promotions, drawings, giveaways, contests, gifting in a charity drawing, etc. It builds goodwill (or something), and generates interest...which often translates into increased revenue. You can't have profit without first bringing in revenue.
 
Potentially alot of them could be furious, they just can't do anything about it.

The majority of artists didn't make that decision, their label did because the label owns their music, they dont. Nobody had to call the majority these artists because they're not the ones who own their music or make that decision.

Taylor Swift is on a small indie label where she is by far the biggest star and probably makes them 90% of their money so she is in a very unique situation where she has the type of clout where if she wants something done, it gets done.

Artists signed to major labels can't do that. Which is why she states she's taking a stand for those who can't.

But those artists won't dare go against their label, or they will likely just terminate their contract. Swift has freedom, as you said, they don't. That's not gonna change even with her letter.
 
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Well I don't work in the industry, but please tell from my post what I got so wrong about how music royalties work?
In your previous post all you talked about were the record companies. I won't go into the fact that today more than ever artists are putting out records on their own, with their own money without the backing of a label at all. There are several revenue streams for music artists, one of which is PUBLISHING. Publishing royalties are a huge part of income for any artist - these are independent from songs or records sold. These are paid out each time a song is played on the radio, TV, in a movie, a commercial or streamed.

So, what most people don't understand in this thread is that no artists will be paid any writer's/publishing royalties on anything streamed for 3 months. It's pretty crappy really as Apple can way more than afford it.

I think a great solution and compromise for all involved would be to give the free trial to all but retroactively pay all royalties based on subscribers that sign up with Apple Music once the trail is over. It's not perfect but it is certainly better than paying the artists nothing.

I would be shocked if the dollar amount of the royalties was over $500 million for the 3 month trial period. As we know, that is less than pocket change for Apple to do the right thing here.
 
Um while I agree they (artists) are entitled to compensation whenever they're music is played - you guys all blame Apple and Apple should pay up. Clearly you don't know the greed of THE MUSIC CONTENT COMAONIE
These are indie bands and indie publishers she's standing up for here. They aren't comparable to the big labels Swift is likely signed up on.
 
Trust the fact that she did this for self promotion and nothing more. Notice how many posts, over 1000 now, are about her. If this was truly about the needs of Indie artists she would've named a bunch of them to help them out. She didn't. She just mentioned Indie artists to gain leverage . She did this to promote herself and I'll bet she was pushed by her record label. You can also trust the fact that she doesn't have your best interest at heart like you have hers.

I respect you opinion but disagree. Neither of us know her. She’s controversial in a way that half of the people love her and half do not believe a single word she says. I’m kinda in the middle. Skeptical but not hateful towards her. At least people are talking about it. We’ll see if other artists join in.
 
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In your previous post all you talked about were the record companies. I won't go into the fact that today more than ever artists are putting out records on their own, with their own money without the backing of a label at all. There are several revenue streams for music artists, one of which is PUBLISHING. Publishing royalties are a huge part of income for any artist - these are independent from songs or records sold. These are paid out each time a song is played on the radio, TV, in a movie, a commercial or streamed.

So, what most people don't understand in this thread is that no artists will be paid any writer's/publishing royalties on anything streamed for 3 months. It's pretty crappy really as Apple can way more than afford it.

I think a great solution and compromise for all involved would be to give the free trial to all but retroactively pay all royalties based on subscribers that sign up with Apple Music once the trail is over. It's not perfect but it is certainly better than paying the artists nothing.

I would be shocked if the dollar amount of the royalties was over $500 million for the 3 month trial period. As we know, that is less than pocket change for Apple to do the right thing here.

Someone here said 2.2 billion.
 
She's not wrong. This is the business she is in and has a vested interest. You can not agree with her, but that doesn't make her wrong. Nor does anything she wrote warrant comments about how much much she's earned doing her job. She's entitled to every penny. And no - she doesn't need this "issue" to be relevant. I'm pretty sure she's very much in the spotlight without it. And I'm not even a TS fan. But wow are some of the comments in this thread so off base. Enlightening... but off base.
 
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Last week it was all about how great Apple Music was because Taylor Swift was on the platform. This week, Taylor swift is garbage because she criticises Apple :confused:

What is wrong with you?
 
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And apple is giving 3 months free to the consumer so you don't have to pay a premium to see if you like service or not. And they are a bully? If you want them to pay the artists apple will request that you pay a premium. They are not anybody's friend. If they pay then the consumer pays. What's more important to you, your wallet or the recording artist that doesn't even know you're alive?
 
not really

If someone sells candles or cookies or something like that for a living, that's like asking them to give away free product for three months. The product is "already" made , so the work is done but it's the same to expect them to give away the result of the work they already put in which they customarily are paid for.

I dont think the argument (from her standpoint) is that artists will see their revenue dropped to zero but rather their compensation will drop which is why she boycotted other free streaming services that didn't pay as well like Spotify.

Once again that's like asking someone who sells cookies " why not give me cookies for free, you'll still make money off other people."

Its still not like that for a couple of reasons.

For every candle or cookie sold, that candle or cookie has to be made.

This is not the case with a digital music file. Its not as though the artist makes 100 copies of the file, and when they have all been streamed they have to spend time making another 100 copies.

As I said way back at the start of the thread, her stance here contradicts her earlier stance with Spotify.

Her stance with Spotify was that struggling artists make virtually no money from streaming.

Her stance with Apple Music is that struggling artists are losing out on significant revenue.

So which is it? Virtually no money, or significant revenue?

If her argument about Spotify is the case, then with Apple Music those same artists are losing just three months worth of virtually no money.
 
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