TCL on AirPlay-2 Enabled TVs: 'We Are Currently Committed to Roku'

[macpro2000]

Lay off, yo. 2011 Sonata 2.4L with nearly 200k miles and no issues, period, despite the engine recall that exists.

Thanks Jim Acosta.
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That says a lot about you.

Yeah. It’s like buying an Acer. You’d buy an Acer?

 

[sidewinder3000]

You are mixing up two things: AirPlay and iTunes (or whatever service Apple is going to announce). To watch Spielberg, iTunes is enough. And for that to happen, Apple simply needs to develop iTunes app for Roku (just like any other streamin company).

I’m not mixing anything up. I don’t think it’s as simple “Apple just needs to make an app”. TCL has to allow/want it on their platform. Also, iTunes with AirPlay 2 is much more powerful, and would offer a much richer user experience if it was available along with iTunes, as it is for SONY, Vizio, LG.

 

[jlc1978]

There is nothing inherent or innate about Hyundai or South Korea that prevents them from building good cars. That's my point, is that globalization has changed things so much that no one country or group of countries has a monopoly on access to R&D, skilled labor, technology, etc. And certainly South Korea, one of the leading countries in technology, is not hurting for any of those. (Not to mention the design centers in Southern California)

Very true. Hyundai/Kia has come a long way in the last 10 years. They're following the Honda/toyate model and moving upscale. As as side note, they have a large manufacturing plant in the US and Mexico as well.

 

[cocky jeremy]

Literally never even heard of them. Oh well. If it's not Samsung, LG, or Sony... I'm not buying it anyway.

 

[bozzykid]

I’m not mixing anything up. I don’t think it’s as simple “Apple just needs to make an app”. TCL has to allow/want it on their platform.

TCL uses the Roku platform. It is open for developers to create apps for it. No deal would need to be worked out with Roku or TCL. Airplay 2 is different and would require Roku implement it into their OS.

 

[Lacasse]

That’s right. It isn’t TLC or Hisense that needs to add AirPlay...it’s Roku that needs to add it.

I fully expect that AirPlay-2 support will come to Roku devices, anyway, so TCL TVs should support them with a firmware upgrade. I also expect it to come to Amazon Fire streaming devices, as well.

As for Hyundai, I'd put my 2017 Sonata Limited Turbo up against most any other large sedan on the road in terms of style.

 

[Kanyay]

There are very good reasons to buy a samsung or even other brands, as you would easily see on rtings.com. The biggest difference that you will see between sets on display in a big box store is not the brand but typically the Features like FALD or refresh rate (which is only important in gaming and sports to me) and HDR formats. In order to make all those TVS display something they have to give a feed that meets the lowest common denominator. When you compare these sets to a Sony or Samsung display that has its own feed its not a fair comparison.
Also, the quality (or lack there of) of the feed on the standard feed is why its hard to compare a 4k tV to a 1080p TV or a fald tv to no dimming or a IPS VS VA or HDR 10 to Dolby vision. The same feed will not show the difference and in some cases will hurt.

Example - IPS panels have a wide viewing angle and may look better in store with the same feed but most IPS panels don't have a lot of the features of VA and don't have good blacks or contrast.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/ips-led-vs-va-lcd

They also don't have FALD most of the time which is a game breaker for me. But that's just me, I really like good black levels but don't want to pay for OLED.

Yeah, IPS is more expensive too though. In general, usually results in a better picture too.
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No one said price range, You said TCL TVs are Cheap and not as good as Samsung. I gave you links to objective reviews by the most popular TV review sites on the internet and they all say that in that class TCL has a great picture for the price. Now you are saying that I am comparing a TCL TV that is too expensive (I Thought the were Cheap) I personally probably wouldn't buy a TV in the $400 dollar range, but that's just what is important to me. So, you are still not making sense. Is TCL cheap and crappy or Expensive?
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Totally agree, still a little torn on the 120hz. I could care less for movies because I prefer 60hz. But for sports and for games, especially in the future its a big deal. My 65" TCL has 240hz "fake" refresh rate. Its so-so because at its highest levels there is some clipping on the edges that is very distracting. The motion blur is not great either.

I did say price range above. You need to read the whole thread before commenting on this. Trust me, in the $400 range, the Samsung 50" I picked for my sister is more than enough and looks fantastic. I have a $2,500 Samsung 65" sitting in my living room and the $400 one looks nearly as good. Just a bit smaller. TCL looked like trash.

 

[LordVic]

This is probably not TCL's choice in the matter. They're probably fairly removed from the software side of things since they just use Roku.

This means it's up to Roku if they wish to add AirPlay2 support to their software or not.


edit: On 2nd thought, maybe others know better. But can't anyone develop a Roku App? So in the case of Airplay2 / iTunes on Roku, wouldn't that be up to Apple to develop then publish the App through Roku?

 

[Rob_2811]

This is probably not TCL's choice in the matter. They're probably fairly removed from the software side of things since they just use Roku.

This means it's up to Roku if they wish to add AirPlay2 support to their software or not.


edit: On 2nd thought, maybe others know better. But can't anyone develop a Roku App? So in the case of Airplay2 / iTunes on Roku, wouldn't that be up to Apple to develop then publish the App through Roku?

There is a SDK to build what Roku call 'Channels' which are effectively native streaming apps.

They could write an iTunes app, Airplay would require integration with the OS really.

 

[LordVic]

There is a SDK to build what Roku call 'Channels' which are effectively native streaming apps.

They could write an iTunes app, Airplay would require integration with the OS really.

Thanks, So it sounds like it would behave similarly right now to using Youtube/Plex on Roku.

You can use the "cast" feature of PLex, Netflix and youtube on Roku, but only when the specific App is open. Apple could go down this route as well I assume, that Airplay2 can just be a channel that you'd have to launch first before using Airplay.

 

[Rob_2811]

Thanks, So it sounds like it would behave similarly right now to using Youtube/Plex on Roku.

You can use the "cast" feature of PLex, Netflix and youtube on Roku, but only when the specific App is open. Apple could go down this route as well I assume, that Airplay2 can just be a channel that you'd have to launch first before using Airplay.

Im not completely familiar with the Roku developer kit but that sounds about right.

I'm curious to see where they go with this, the smart TV stuff is a decent start but I think if they want this TV service to get proper traction I think they have to put it on Roku and Fire TV.

The market share Amazon/Roku have is huge, think Amazon are saying more than 30 million users and Roku about 25 million.

 

[LordVic]

Im not completely familiar with the Roku developer kit but that sounds about right.

I'm curious to see where they go with this, the smart TV stuff is a decent start but I think if they want this TV service to get proper traction I think they have to put it on Roku and Fire TV.

The market share Amazon/Roku have is huge, think Amazon are saying more than 30 million users and Roku about 25 million.

This is why I always felt like Apple had no idea what to do with the APple TV. Especially diving into original content.

content is a relatively low margin, high volume product. While there maybe a few shows that hit some form of cultural transcendence, MOST TV does not do this.

For Content providers to get the best return, they need their content to be available to mass market. Market share matters in this case. For Apple to get good delivery of their own content they need to either use existing delivery systems, or ensure that their own delivery system is available at reasonable pricing to a large audience. In this regard the AppleTV was a massive failure. That failure can be narrowed down to a simple reason. PRICE.

if Apple was attempting to make AppleTV ubiquitous, so that millions of people ha access to their content, they can't do it by selling their TV Box for 3-4x the competition.

 

[Rob_2811]

This is why I always felt like Apple had no idea what to do with the APple TV. Especially diving into original content.

content is a relatively low margin, high volume product. While there maybe a few shows that hit some form of cultural transcendence, MOST TV does not do this.

For Content providers to get the best return, they need their content to be available to mass market. Market share matters in this case. For Apple to get good delivery of their own content they need to either use existing delivery systems, or ensure that their own delivery system is available at reasonable pricing to a large audience. In this regard the AppleTV was a massive failure. That failure can be narrowed down to a simple reason. PRICE.

if Apple was attempting to make AppleTV ubiquitous, so that millions of people ha access to their content, they can't do it by selling their TV Box for 3-4x the competition.

Agree.

Relative to what is available elsewhere the ATV has to be one of the most overpriced things Apple sell.

Their original content producing several Game of Thrones level hits still wouldn't move Apple Tvs in the numbers Amazon/Roku are doing, the cost is that prohibitive.

 

[jlc1978]

if Apple was attempting to make AppleTV ubiquitous, so that millions of people ha access to their content, they can't do it by selling their TV Box for 3-4x the competition.

While I agree on the price issue and would like to see an Apple TV at 1/2 to 3/4 the price; I think Apple has a different roadmap for their product. To them, Apple TV is a home hub that will unify various Apple products - HomeKit, iTunes, and iPhone as examples; as well as move into new areas such as gaming and perhaps web based tools such as Pages, Numbers, etc. To them, AppleTV probably seems more an inexpensive hub than an expensive video streaming device. They aren't interested in integrating it into 3rd party televisions, especially inexpensive ones that they may view as not being up to Apple standards for delivering a quality experience.

 

[LordVic]

While I agree on the price issue and would like to see an Apple TV at 1/2 to 3/4 the price; I thik Apple has a different roadmap for ttheir product. To them, Apple TV is a home hub that will unify various Apple products - Homekit, iTunes, and iPhone as examples; as well as move into new areas such as gaming and perhaps web based tools such as Pages, Numbers, etc. To them, APpleTV probabkly seems more an inexpensive hub thatn an expensive video streaming device.

I agree that they COULD have positioned it to do all that. And it CAN in thoery do it.

But they seem to have a habit of releasing Apple TV revisions, calling it a "Hobby" and then just leaving it sitting for a few years at it's insane price point.

Apple TV never did catch on as a gaming console. HomeKit works, but has significant lack of diversity of products. Are people erally using it to the fullest features or is it being used mainly as a settop streaming box?

I'm willing to bet (a coffee) that the bulk of use is as a settop box. And for most users who are just looking to stream their video content, there are settop boxes that are available for $40. Apple's cheapest non 4k box is $130+. Convincing users to spend $90+ is a tough enough sell, but when you consider that the competition are also selling 4k devices for less than Apple's non 4k box. This is not a winning strategy to create a streaming platform on. Hence why we're now seeing Apple making deals with TV makers to get Apple services on their TV's.

Without these Deals, Apple would likely have a target audience of a few hundred thousand at most for their upcoming content.

 

[jlc1978]

Apple TV never did catch on as a gaming console. HomeKit works, but has significant lack of diversity of products. Are people erally using it to the fullest features or is it being used mainly as a settop streaming box?

I'm willing to bet (a coffee) that the bulk of use is as a settop box.</QUOTE]

I agree. Mine are used as a set top box to stream DTV and other services. Has I not gotten them for free with DTV subscriptions I'd probably gone with Roku. That said, they are nice and with inFuse work well to stream content off of my NAS. Ideally, cable providers would let you replace their box with ATVs or other streaming devices but given they make money off of each additional box I doubt that will happen. Apple could also add Tivo like features to make their boxes more compelling, for example they could interface with streaming services and have their own cloud DVR / guide service, essentially creating one interface for multiple services, and bundle it with other services such as Apple Music as well. They sort off have that with their TV app in that it can access shows from various apps and let you know when their is a new one.

 

[Snapjack]

TCL is a great TV. Extremely happy with it especially over Samsung. I've had them all and the TCL for the price is extraordinary.

 

[nomad411]

TCL is a great TV. Extremely happy with it especially over Samsung. I've had them all and the TCL for the price is extraordinary.

I love mine too. I've been waiting for months for either Appple TV/Airplay 2 to appear on mine, OR to see a new Apple TV box pop up. Looks like Apple wins with their coming announcement on Monday..