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The speaker grills are obviously there to main an aesthetic throughout the line. Given that the speakers are apparently MUCH better than previous gen I'm not exactly upset about this? It matches the 15".

The glue and solder does make me wince for their Genius Bar crew, though. Not being able to work on something, perhaps surprisingly, does NOT make your job easier. It was already something of a pain for the phones, given the limit of what you could immediately do to help someone... and I have recently enjoyed being able to replace the battery on my MBA for another few years of use.

Makes me wonder if it's financially feasible to replace the entire computer if the battery needs to be replaced?

I'm pretty sure the battery is one of those things you absolutely need to be able to replace? Some... law or directive or some such? I can't remember for the life of me, though. Anyone else feel free to chime in here.
I can't chime in. Apple got rid of that too. Sorry had to do it.
 
Upside down mouse is only silly in so far as it can't be used while it's charging unlike every other mouse with a rechargeable battery.. Otherwise I'd have no problem with it.

The mouse thing is silly. I have the mouse. Once a month I plug it in and then go have lunch or something and it's fully charged. There's no reason to ever let it get discharged. And if you get lazy and it happens anyway, then plug it in and go to the bathroom. When you come back, it will have enough charge for the rest of the day.

It's the non issue to rule all non issues.
 
I can't stand Ivey and his deep sophisticated over the top design videos. Like dude its basic ****. Your using everyone else technology.

The only thing apple has to do is find a way to cram it inside an aluminum case.

Bunch of lads they are.

*heavy breathing*

Unfortunately, you're wrong. Apple doesn't just cram third-party components into a case. They spend a lot of effort engineering and designing, and redesigning. They have several custom chips to arrive at the final product. Many PC vendors *do* use just readily-available parts. Not Apple.

Does this response mean that I agree with all of Apple's decisions? Not at all! I'm really disappointed in some of their choices lately, particularly with designing Macs as throw-away (er, "recyclable") products, rather than making upgradeability a feature.
 
Looks to me like Apple is going to make it more cost effective for themselves to completely replace a computer than to repair one. Thereby allowing them to fire most of the people they hire to do the fixing now. If the average repair time, material cost, and physical labor is the same as the manufacturing price of a (in the not so distant future) robotically made device, it makes more sense to just replace the entire device and copy over the data which would be an automated task anyway.
 
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Ack this headline is inaccurate, not sure who's fault it is but you can clearly see the holes going throw above the tweeter speaker:
https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/dwcGTXRBHLXjNG4W.huge
And iFixIt says "Judging from the through-holes under the smaller speaker, we assume this is a tweeter designed to produce high frequency audio."
Not sure whats going on with the rest of the holes though
 
Ack this headline is inaccurate, not sure who's fault it is but you can clearly see the holes going throw above the tweeter speaker:
https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/dwcGTXRBHLXjNG4W.huge
And iFixIt says "Judging from the through-holes under the smaller speaker, we assume this is a tweeter designed to produce high frequency audio."
Not sure whats going on with the rest of the holes though

Small does not automatically make it a tweeter. Think about iPhones that have good bass.... it's the design of the speaker that matters, not the size.
 
eh, no upgradeable SSD?

that's pretty Pro

I want to know what Pro relies on removable SSD instead of backup, so I can never employ him on a project. I am beyond belief with this whole SSD thing, that people actually rely on that to recover their data. If the SSD goes, your data is gone. If the data corrupts, your data is gone. If the laptop is lost or stolen, your data is gone. ONLY a good backup regime covers every eventuality.
 
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The holes are not drilled all the way through.
I know that's what the article says, but on some of the pictures it looks like they are drilled all the way through...

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Will people please stop saying this is to let the WiFi out and read up on Faraday cages?

Even if the holes did go all the way through, it wouldn't make a difference...
Considerably harder in some cases, because simple modular components that were simple exchanges now require a complete replacement of the board and the migration of customer data as well. The part replacement costs and labour charges will also be significantly more expensive.
Modular components also lead to more failures in the first place. Every cable, connection, and poorly secured component is a future mechanical failure point.
 
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I am most interested to know what their repair process will be for these systems... return to a factory with the right equipment to perform board level component replacements, or just swap out the whole board.

If it's component level repair, I just can't understand how this is more cost effective for Apple overall vs having modular components and easier to open systems, where repairs could be done in Apple stores. If it's swapping out the whole board, again, I can't understand how this is more cost effective overall - as you then have to

It's like they're willing to forsake the numerous benefits of a more modular system, for the sake of thinness and lightness, and the fact that it means whenever the consumer wants more RAM/CPU/storage, they have to bin the whole machine rather than just upgrade it - as owners of older generations of MacBook Pro have often done.

I just can't fathom it overall. It must make sense from a business perspective......... I mean..... does it? Really?


maybe one of the reasons they increased the price was to offset any repair costs.
 
My 2009 MBP is on death's doorstep and I really wanted to upgrade to the new model. However, this thing is a disaster. There is nothing that makes this 2016 model more tempting compared to the 2015 model.
Exactly my scenario which is why I found a NIB 2015 13" rMBP and after all the discounts, cost me $900. It was the $1299 version.
 
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I bet your tune will change once you've given the Touch Bar a proper run. This is what Apple does... pulls us into the future, sometimes kicking and screaming.

I bought the non-touchbar model. Besides a phone with touch screen, I prefer tactile feedback on input devices.
 
Just like the iPhone 7's left speaker... Aesthetics with absolutely no function, I wonder what Mr. Ive is smoking these days.

When the rumors started about the left speaker holes being purely cosmetic I was very vocal in saying there is no way Apple or Ive would do that. Boy did they prove me wrong...wtf is wrong with these people??
 
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I bought the non-touchbar model. Besides a phone with touch screen, I prefer tactile feedback on input devices.

I wish they would have given us the option of buying a fully loaded non-touchbar version. I guess if they did that, few people would adopt the stupid touchbar. I'm less likely to complain about the pricing pain if I have at least some hope of doing my own repairs.
 
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