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I believe this is entirely for consistency. On the 13" function keys model the speakers are underneath the grills and even those only have only a couple holes punched through, the rest are cosmetic. So while speakers in the TB model are moved, the grills remain, this time with no holes, purely for design consistency within the 13" models and with the 15" model. Why is that so hard to accept?
 
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"So why can the magic trackpad and keyboard both be plugged in whilst being used...?"

They typically don't move when used. Plug it in for a couple minutes and you'll get a day's worth of use.

My point was in opposition to the argument that the reason for the placement of the charging poitn on teh mouse was to foce it to be used wirelessly. If that were true, why not also limit this on the keyboard and tackpad? (Basically, I do not agree with that argument).

"Separate issue I discovered this week: My iphone lightning charger does NOT charge the magic trackpad, keyboard or mouse. Why not?)"
I don't have the magic trackpad. But my magic keyboard and mouse charge fine with my iPhone Lightening charger. Maybe a trip to the Genius Bar would be helpful?

Ah...maybe I mis-spoke. It was indeed just the magic trackpad that I was trying to charge. (I then wrongly assumed it also will not charge the other peripherals). I'll test them out tonight...but it is kind of odd...
 
For me this explains the over-the-top higher price for the Pro range over the last generation.

We are basically paying the extra for it to be serviced in the same way they service iPhones, iPads, iPod's. In that they are going to just be binned for parts and swapped out for a refurbished model when they break.

I always buy Apple care on V.1 computer products of this cost (just in case). But unlike my maximum spec'd 2011 i7 iMac, I cannot see this lasting the 5+ years and still holding it own and I have at least been able to increase the Ram to 32GB and use the spare Thunderbolt port from my Apple display to give USB 3 and attach to a Hub.

Also, the battery in every laptop I have ever owned needed replacing before the 5th year... I am also glad I spec's my MBP to the maximum, any doubt I had about doing so, has evaporated.

Let's hope we can negotiate to keep the EU 6 year law on manufacture warranty on products (when we 'Brexit'), as that has served me so well in the past, after the 3 year Apple care has expired. I am fastidious in regards to the upkeep of my gear and so if it breaks down and there is no cosmetic signs of damage / water ingress etc (no proof of user damage), I always get it replaced Apple care, or not.

Also, I would recommend that all buy only from a reputable and accountable retailer like Apple, or John Lewis, as they recognise the 6 year law in the UK. Curry's and PC World etc, play dumb...., I know from experience.
 
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I don't get all this hate towards the charging method of the Magic Mouse with Lightning Port. It is clear to everyone that Apple is FORCING people to go wireless since Jobs days. If they put the charging connector port in the back of the mouse so that you can use it while charging it seems clear to me that many people would just be too conservative or too lazy not to disconnect it anymore. Apple would be breaking their own design rules of forcing people to go wireless. By putting it beneath the mouse it forces people to use it wireless. No matter how "dictatorial" it might be, it DOES make sense to me as the design of the Magic Mouse by a company that has historically forcing wireless everywhere it can since 2000s, at least....

So applying the same principle you would be ok if they place the charging port of the MacBook on the bottom of the chassis or forcing you to charge the iPhone face down.
 
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Exactly my scenario which is why I found a NIB 2015 13" rMBP and after all the discounts, cost me $900. It was the $1299 version.
Nice pick-up! I'm currently looking at a 2015 8GB RAM, 512GB SSD version at a local store, but the $16xx they're asking still scares me. Can't even imagine the hell that would rain down on me from my wife if I brought it home, haha.
 
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There's no need to seal the holes. They already are sealed. They aren't drilled all the way through. They are unapologetically cosmetic.

Maybe they are an undocumented feature like crumb catchers for those who eat at their computers.

Or, you can put some kernels in to feed bird(s), because this gen of MBP is for the birds as far as I am concerned.
 
I guess the caveat lies in the fact that WE as customers have to pay like 1200$ or something to get the motherboard replaced but that doesn't tell you how expensive it is for Apple. The production cost of the motherboard could around, let's say, 60$. We've already seen breakdowns of the production cost of iPads and iPhones and they are usually far cheaper to make then they're sold for. Factoring in man hours to actually replace the motherboard, it may be more economical for Apple to replace the whole motherboard at once AND SIMULTANEOUSLY have you pay large sums of money for it with the marketing that "the whole computer is on there so it must be expensive".

I don't quite follow you...there is no way the motherboard is that cheap to Apple. The Intel processor cost alone is over $200 depending on model, plus the RAM and all the other components. But my point is that a 2TB PCI-express SSD is massively expensive, even at cost price to Apple.

And if they do transfer the repair costs n to the customer - then that is the precise problem I am talking about! : A logic board (or RAM or SSD or touchID) failure goes from a £500 repair to a £1500 repair.
 
I'm starting to think that the Macrumors threads are the back-up job for the Macedonian teenagers that create fake news on Facebook.
 
I don't quite follow you...there is no way the motherboard is that cheap to Apple. The Intel processor cost alone is over $200 depending on model, plus the RAM and all the other components. But my point is that a 2TB PCI-express SSD is massively expensive, even at cost price to Apple.

And if they do transfer the repair costs n to the customer - then that is the precise problem I am talking about! : A logic board (or RAM or SSD or touchID) failure goes from a £500 repair to a £1500 repair.

Motherboards can be repaired. But they don't need your Mac to repair the motherboard. Swap the board, send it to China to be repaired, reuse it when it's returned.
 
It's interesting that there is a warning sign before customers opens the wrapper...."return you mbp."
 
Why in the world would Apple create speaker grills for no reason? One can quibble about aesthetic choices the company makes but it's rare that they do something for no reason. iFixit really wants us to believe the company chose to incorporate fake speaker grills (on both sides) for purely cosmetic reasons? That's absurd.

Yes, absurd, not to drill them through.
Let's wait until Phil Schiller explains it.
Probably "too cumbersome or just too courageous" to leave that area flat.

It is probably the single feature that brought online sales over the top compared to 2007 models.
 
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Guess how much of my first Mac - a 512Ke - was upgradable?

RAM? No. 512K soldered to the logic board.
Hard disk? Didn't have one.
I'd certainly prefer the ability to upgrade, but that's not the way things are in the Apple world. And it rarely has been.
Warrrrp ! Mouse with regular tail & keyboard with travel - I'd gladly pay 14k again...
 
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Well, everybody is complaining about Apple deleting or eliminating features. Well, here they retained the speaker holes (or at least the looks of it) so that people would not complain. Apple is trying so hard to please their unappreciative customers, and yet people still complain. :p
 
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Guess how much of my first Mac - a 512Ke - was upgradable?

RAM? No. 512K soldered to the logic board.
Hard disk? Didn't have one.

I'd certainly prefer the ability to upgrade, but that's not the way things are in the Apple world. And it rarely has been.

For most users, though, it won't even be an issue. Buy what you want (or can afford), use it till it dies or you get something else.

Another skill highly prized in the United States: false equivalency. The Mac 512k was not called the Mac 512k “Pro”.
 
as the bottom part seems to be where the majority of sound comes from.

You maybe correct.

However, you may have noticed most passive cooling devices have vents on top to let air out. So what is the engineering thing going on here? The fan exits appear to be, like all MBs, in the rear.

I personally believe there's some engineering feature going on here.

I also wonder that aiming speakers at desktop might produce better sound, but more than likely the location is to maximize space for other stuff in the case.

OK I went back to ifixit to see if the upward speaker grill on my 12" rMB had the speakers pointing at it, well the answer is kindo of.

The 12" rMB has two speaker units that seem to be combined with antennas, "If this is a dielectric coating, some of Apple's recent patents could suggest that Apple is using the speaker assemblies to form a compound antenna, helping maximize power efficiency in this smaller form factor."

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See those two gold things, speakers and antenna. Why make the vent all the way across? Style and cooling?


Cooling fan patents for the 2016 MBP (or something similar)

https://www.google.com/patents/US20...ved=0ahUKEwiWpN6f3K3QAhUT92MKHeCRCjcQ6AEIOTAE

You might notice Apple has a lot of stuff on cooling for its computers, they just don't slam a fan in a with somes holes in the sides.
 
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Of course I backup. But my point is it is a stupid design feature. Also, I like to wipe a machine before giving it up - usually multiple times. I could not do that on this machine if the power on key broke.
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This exactly - I don't want them shipping off my old SSD to someone else without me having done a major wipe on it

So you first complained that all your data was lost if your SSD drive breaks, then you tell us that you have backups. So obviously your complaint was just to complain, and you _knew_ no data was lost.

And you don't need to wipe an SSD drive if it is encrypted. There's no way to get to the data on an encrypted SSD drive.
 
When the rumors started about the left speaker holes being purely cosmetic I was very vocal in saying there is no way Apple or Ive would do that. Boy did they prove me wrong...wtf is wrong with these people??
Symmetry? Apple has always been about that.
 
I forget that it comes in space gray. I've always wanted a darker MacBook Pro. Must hold out. 32GB RAM. Must hold out. Coffee Lake hex-core. Must hold out! OLED or mLED display. MUST hold out!! Display in keyboard. MUST HOLD OUT!! Jet black. MUSTWAL;KJZXCOOWELKADFB1!!!3111!!!
 
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