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Fixed that for you.

As a unibody MacBook owner who upgraded RAM and swapped the hard drive for an SDD (as it died after AppleCare lapsed), I couldn't be more disappointed about this development. Everyone knows that if you have to rely on Apple to upgrade or replace your hardware, you can better buy a new device instead. Most shameful of Apple.

Wrong.

If people didn't want thinner lighter faster, Apple wouldn't be in business.

By buying their product, you are accepting the false perception.
 
People say they don't care... but wait until you'll be buying Macs every 6 months because Apple locked you in.

This is just the beginning. Don't give Apple more respect than it deserves.

A few more years, and I'll happily be waving out the window yelling "I told you so!"

But, what do I care. I'll keep on using my cMBP 15" WSXGA model until it dies. Then, I'll get a ThinkPad or something similar.

I'm about neary done with Macs. Apple has pretty much given the finger to power users and professionals.

And Apple doesn't care. They quit caring about us a LONG time ago. I understand the money is in the iToys, and they have to make their profits their before they flop. And as long as there are the fanboy types to pay $3000 PLUS for something as ridiculous as the new Mac "Pro", or laptops that can't run the latest OS (and software) after a few years, they'll keep selling them.

I wish Apple would sell off their computer division to someone who understands the difference between a computer and a truck.
 
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Traveling/at the airport, or I'd link quite a few. I know I saw a couple in this thread alone. Over in the MBP subforum, there are lots more.

OK, take your time - you should be able to provide a few in a few hours.

There's a few that troll the cmbp threads from time to time. Declaring this and that to be dead and out of date. Just like those who troll the optical media/dvd/blueray/superdrive threads declaring the media to be dead/extinct/etc.

I would hope that people that have been on these fora since 2004 would be able to distinguish trolls from real posters. Yes, things have gotten worse in the last few years but trolls exist not just in fora but in the real world too.

Also understand that just because someone holds a strong opinion, it doesn't make them a troll.

Note: I'm writing this from a 2013 cMBP that I bought over a rMBP, and I expanded the RAM and swapped the HDD for an SDD.

Just sayin.
 
Wrong.

If people didn't want thinner lighter faster, Apple wouldn't be in business.

By buying their product, you are accepting the false perception.

WRONG... The people who want "lighter and thinner" are the same ones talking about how "gorgeous, and "beautiful" their computer "LOOKS"..

And since the "Apple Heads" like car analogies, it's like buying a Lamborghini with Flat 4 cyl Ford engine that can't be serviced or replaced... God, it would "Look" so sexy and magical....

Pffftttttttttttt
 
Not really even that. If these people would RTFM they'd figure out in about 5 minutes (that's giving them the benefit of the doubt that they are indeed tech illiterate) that you can switch the control to "Anywhere" and use whatever you want.

Stop trying to make this something it's not. Why is everyone so damned alarmist about Apple "locking them in"?


Okay, I don't think I was clear enough in my first post -- I meant the iOS app store. They lock people into buying apps from there (unless its a web app).

They wouldn't dare doing that to Mac because there'd be such an uproar about it - however, they've done the next best thing and added a setting to block unproved apps by default, even if it can be changed back easily.

I'm not against them doing it as it makes their products more secure, and harder to mess up. However, they also do it because it helps them make money - so I was simply stating that they do it.
 
This now seems like an eternity ago – an access door allowing for super easy access to the hard drive, battery and RAM:

:/

Yep that's my computer. It just makes so much sense, and really, it only makes the computer slightly thicker and heavier. I would take a thicker computer any day over one that cannot be repaired and upgraded at all.

Wouldn't it be great to buy the rMBP with 8GB of RAM today, and then upgrade in 3 years when you'll actually need more RAM, and it will also be much cheaper? Well nope, because it would make the computer 2mm thicker, and that would be tragic.
 
Okay, I don't think I was clear enough in my first post -- I meant the iOS app store. They lock people into buying apps from there (unless its a web app).

They wouldn't dare doing that to Mac because there'd be such an uproar about it - however, they've done the next best thing and added a setting to block unproved apps by default, even if it can be changed back easily.

I'm not against them doing it as it makes their products more secure, and harder to mess up. However, they also do it because it helps them make money - so I was simply stating that they do it.

Ah, yeah I thought you were talking about the Mac App store. Sorry!
 
WRONG... The people who want "lighter and thinner" are the same ones talking about how "gorgeous, and "beautiful" their computer "LOOKS"..

And since the "Apple Heads" like car analogies, it's like buying a Lamborghini with Flat 4 cyl Ford engine that can't be serviced or replaced... God, it would "Look" so sexy and magical....

Pffftttttttttttt
Well if the GPGPU paradigm gains traction, and it seems to be.
It is much more like a Lamborghini Hybrid.
 
No. I'm not done with Apple. I love and will continue to use my cMBP. But no more Macs after that. At least not laptops.

The Mac Pro may be powerful, but we saw condensed soundbites from 3 professionals who mainly talked about its power and quietness. That isn't "rave review" in the slightest.

Well it looks like you're looking to be right and most likely you won't be. This is not a shot at you but every Apple hater has been proven wrong. The iPad got so much hate the day it was announced calling it all sorts of feminine hygiene names. The Gold iPhone got tons of hate before it was released and now it's the highest demand product from Apple right now. iPod, same hate. Macbook Air, same hate. It's time to realize that the company knows what they are doing. And before you even think of me being some fanboy, I'm not. It's just the plain truth. All good though dude, I'm sure you'll find some great Windows 8 computers to suit your needs.
 
Well it looks like you're looking to be right and most likely you won't be. This is not a shot at you but every Apple hater has been proven wrong. The iPad got so much hate the day it was announced calling it all sorts of feminine hygiene names. The Gold iPhone got tons of hate before it was released and now it's the highest demand product from Apple right now. iPod, same hate. Macbook Air, same hate. It's time to realize that the company knows what they are doing. And before you even think of me being some fanboy, I'm not. It's just the plain truth. All good though dude, I'm sure you'll find some great Windows 8 computers to suit your needs.

I loved the Air; don't be so quick to assume that I predict the Mac Pro to die. I'm simply making an observation that Apple doesn't care about power users much these days, which is true.

I'm sure the Pro will sell bazillions thanks to the devout Apple faithful who buy Apple because there's nothing better out there. But to say that Apple cares about pros because they released a "pro" computer (who advertises a freaking $3000 desktop in a MOVIE THEATER?) is nothing short of ludicrous.
 
a little time, a little patience and a little goo-gone can probably do wonders.

is the main beef regarding people expecting to replace these things in < 10 mins?

Seriously, you throw away a computer just after 3 years? I love Apple approach being even more oriented to the US-consumerism. Hopefully a chinese brand will replicate Apple logic boards allowing DIY upgrades.

if macbook consumers are growing, some type of market may emerge eventually. BUT it would involve a huge start-up cost; that might be the primary prohibitive factor.
 
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OK someone brings in a MacBook for repair. It needs a battery. You fight with the glue to get the old one out. Do you glue the new one back in place? I've repaired a lot of things, from computers to airplanes, over the years and it wasn't uncommon to deviate from the engineers original design in the name of serviceability. Nothing major mind you. Custom screws replaced with Phillips head, a piece of plastic not replaced because it blocked access, that sort of thing. Do you make it easier to replace the battery the next time or are you required to glue it back down?

My dad is an mechanical engineer and worked for Jamaica Air, Air Canada and American Airlines over the past 36yrs before being injured and requiring serious surgery and motor therapy.

I sincerely hope I've NEVER flown on ANY airplanes you've worked on in where you've deviated fromt he engineers original design ... 'in the name if serviceability.'
 
Which would you choose?

A battery that is user replaceable but only lasts 4 hours and adds 150g additional weight and .25" to the thickness of the MacBook.

Or

A battery that is glued in but lasts 9 hours and makes your MacBook ultra thin and light?


Yeah, go ahead and carry those spare"batteries in your backpack. #
 
funny how a laptop with a grade of 1 out of 10 in repairability, gets that gold certificate in terms of sustainability.

Money is ruling here, just once again. 99% of people don't think about upgrading when purchasing, and this also makes more money for apple...

Still, we will have cMBP ruling around for a few years still, cause I´m not gonna buy this expensive piece of ****, no matter what.

I can understand why apple stock is going down.
 
Which would you choose?

A battery that is user replaceable but only lasts 4 hours and adds 150g additional weight and .25" to the thickness of the MacBook.

Or

A battery that is glued in but lasts 9 hours and makes your MacBook ultra thin and light?


Yeah, go ahead and carry those spare"batteries in your backpack. #

I dunno you don't provide enough information about the 2 choices, and while weight and battery life are 2 factors, they certainly wouldn't be the 1st two features I consider in a new computer. - and no one I know starts their search for a laptop thinking about how "ultra thin" it was..... We tend to consider performance, features, price, and expandability before how "ultra thin" it was.....

But I can tell by your post, I bet that what you really want is a laptop that is "elegant, sexy, and magical" as well, isn't it????
 
Most people just want to buy a PRODUCT, not a project. Geeks love to think of their needs as being indicative of the entire market, but its not

It's not really about wanting to fiddle around with it. In fact, I'd rather it just work and not have to worry about it.

It's the fact that we're talking about a product that costs > $1000. At these price points, I think things should be easier to fix. The design feels disposable! Nothing that expensive should be disposable.
 
I loved the Air; don't be so quick to assume that I predict the Mac Pro to die. I'm simply making an observation that Apple doesn't care about power users much these days, which is true.

I'm sure the Pro will sell bazillions thanks to the devout Apple faithful who buy Apple because there's nothing better out there. But to say that Apple cares about pros because they released a "pro" computer (who advertises a freaking $3000 desktop in a MOVIE THEATER?) is nothing short of ludicrous.

I was correct with my first observation about you without a doubt. :rolleyes:
 
Which would you choose?

A battery that is user replaceable but only lasts 4 hours and adds 150g additional weight and .25" to the thickness of the MacBook.

Or

A battery that is glued in but lasts 9 hours and makes your MacBook ultra thin and light?


Yeah, go ahead and carry those spare"batteries in your backpack. #


The battery that is in there now could easily be attached with a 'press stud' system to lock it in place rather than glue. It would add about 3g to the overall weight and would not affect battery capacity, thickness, design or functionality of any other parts.

I don't care about RAM or SSD. I just buy a model with enough to last 5 years. But a battery cannot last that long.

Batteries are consumables and NOT covered by AppleCare or standard warranty, they degrade over time. After a few hundred charge cycles (so, a year) their capacity is about half. So after 12 months you've only got 4 hours battery life. After 3 years, you will be down to under an hour if it isn't already a desktop that must remain plugged in.

Batteries need replacing. That's just a limitation of current battery technology and it is even more critical with high-drain retina displays.

Apple pride themselves on design and simplicity, so surely they could design a simple, easily upgradable battery system instead of using glue.
 
After 3 years, you will be down to under an hour if it isn't already a desktop that must remain plugged in.

Depends on how you use it. My 2009 13" has been in service for 50 months, has 450 cycles on it and holds 85% of it's original charge, I calibrate it once a month. I really prefer this route to carrying spare batteries at a pound each and $130 a pop.

We have a local repair shop that will put a new battery in with a one day turn around and the cost is not that much more than a spare battery used to be.

So lets see, battery, that's the way it has been for awhile, a tech can swap it or you can do it if you learn how.
SSD, user replaceable.

That leaves RAM which is lame but we probably operate at lower temps, better efficiency and maybe even lower latency with it soldered on. I am just not on board with this witch hunt, sure, I wish I could work on more things like I can my MacPro, but the more important work is actually done *on* the machine, not piddling with it.

But yeah, keep bitching, computers and bitching about them is a hobby for many on here...
 
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