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I wonder whether Apple doesn't implement FaceID because of patents? Afterall, the technology is already present on Windows laptop for 6 years or so.
Face ID is a different technology that provides a whole other level of security. Basically Windows Hello is 2D and Face ID is 3D. Arguably many people would prefer to have face recognition even with less secure tech, but this is the difference. The patents would also be different.
 
Why? Touch ID is much smarter on a mac then face ID. Always for biometrics you need to touch or press something to confirm, your hand is already on the keyboard so you just tap the touch id module. If you use face ID you still have to tap to confirm so whats the point?
why not?

I don't think I want my display to be thicker just for faceID or a smaller notch. TouchID is good enough.
groan...a member of the 'smaller is better' crowd. if a bigger macbook is a problem, i suggest visiting the gym more often.
 
I wonder whether Apple doesn't implement FaceID because of patents? Afterall, the technology is already present on Windows laptop for 6 years or so.
I heard some time ago that MS and Apple have a patent sharing agreement, where they can share others patents but cannot implement identical features for 7 years. I have no idea how true that is, since I read it in a comment on this forum. However, if it's true and given Windows Hello is 6 years old, I would expect that Apple gets it into the M2 laptops.
 
why not?


groan...a member of the 'smaller is better' crowd. if a bigger macbook is a problem, i suggest visiting the gym more often.
Because I explained why not. You want to make a MacBook thicker to add the faceID array that would require you to tap something anyways, meaning it solves NOTHING and makes NOTHING easier.
 
You want to make a MacBook thicker to add the faceID array that would require you to tap something anyways, meaning it solves NOTHING and makes NOTHING easier.
I can’t figure out why it appears you’re so angry over a rumor.

Even if the MacBook were slightly thicker, does it really translate to making the experience any less to the consumer? Personally, I don’t think anybody would really take notice if it was slightly thicker to incorporate Face ID. I’d be fine with that.
 
Why? Touch ID is much smarter on a mac then face ID. Always for biometrics you need to touch or press something to confirm, your hand is already on the keyboard so you just tap the touch id module. If you use face ID you still have to tap to confirm so whats the point?
I think for normal authentications FaceID would be a perfect solution, and far superior to TouchID in every way (as it is on mobile devices right now). But you definitely raise a good point on the payment / purchase authentications, I imagine it'll require a click to confirm, then FaceID - but it would still be far quicker than typing your password again.
 
I’m confused, faceID didn’t exist at all until apple designed and made it for iPhones.

So surely it’s logical to say it doesn’t exist for macs until apple goes ahead and designs and makes it for macs?

Gurman seems to suggest apple are using off the shelf bits to build these laptops when we know they don’t.
 
This article doesn’t make sense to me. Isn’t FaceID technology on an iPhone pretty thin? The iPhone certainly sends thin enough to be used as a laptop screen, no?
iPhones are about 3-4x thicker than the MacBook's screen assembly thickness. Apple could potentially re-locate the FaceID assembly to be part of the screen hinge, but I don't think it would be up to Apple's high aesthetic standards!
 
I’m confused, faceID didn’t exist at all until apple designed and made it for iPhones.

So surely it’s logical to say it doesn’t exist for macs until apple goes ahead and designs and makes it for macs?

Gurman seems to suggest apple are using off the shelf bits to build these laptops when we know they don’t.
Apple do absolutely use a lot of off-the-shelf components, and FaceID will be comprised of these parts too. The proprietary parts of FaceID are the matter of how the components work together (as part of an assembly), and then the software / neural networks that enable the whole thing to work. The camera, illuminator and projectors will more than likely be off-the-shelf.
 
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Couldn't they have the sensors and camera 'sticking out' from the screen, and then for when the screen closes have some osrt of cut out where they slot into? This would not only allow face ID but also allow for far better quality webcams surely?

Is the only reason not to do this because of aesthetics, or would there be other drawbacks?
In addition to the aesthetics you mention, moving parts is usually a reliability weak point, which is why Apple (and other electronics makers) try to minimize them.
 
Why? Touch ID is much smarter on a mac then face ID. Always for biometrics you need to touch or press something to confirm, your hand is already on the keyboard so you just tap the touch id module. If you use face ID you still have to tap to confirm so whats the point?
This is a great point that a lot of people here don't seem to realize.

With FaceID, how do you accept (or decline) a transaction since you're already looking at the Mac. You need a separate input to confirm/deny, which is why FaceID isn't really so vital.

However, if Apple create other functionality into FaceID (e.g. tracking when you're looking at the screen and when not to preserve battery life), that would up the ante on FaceID on MacBooks.
 
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