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Telegram CEO Arrested in France Over Content Moderation Issues
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These are all things the users were doing, not the CEO. Cars, coffee shops, paper manufacturers, copy machines, etc. can also facilitate these crimes. No this is about censorship, not crime. He did not bend a knee to his ruler and is being punished on trumped up charges. Telegram is transport, just like the other things mentioned above.
One he is given a warrant, responding by ignoring it is no longer a passive act.
Not sure what you are talking about .... The issue with Telegram is that is offers shelter for all possible illegal activities from Immigrants smuggling to ransomware groups, illegal software sharing and paedophilia.
If you know of any CEO that makes that possible, against every decency and law in all the civilised countries I know of then let us know ....
If their companies do what Telegram do, meaning allowing all sorts of illicit activities, and do not cooperate with law enforcement to take them down then they all deserve to spend their vacations in Jail.
Telegram allows all sorts of criminal activities including paedophilia and DOES NOT cooperate with law enforcement to take them down.
Once you consider that then you cannot let it run the way it is run today as an outlaw parallel universe.
Seriously?
Imagine being a pedo, a drug dealer, or with a career in human trafficking or whatever else illegal/disgusting you can think of and know that Telegram will not cooperate with any law enforcement agencies.
This is what this is about.
I think they should with a judicial warrant provided by a judge and be specific in nature: Users X and Y, this and that data. In such cases, if such data is available then the company should be legally bound to provide it.
Open ended requests would I think be an abuse. For instance: Is this person using your system? Or, give me all communications of this person. Or, is this person behaving weirdly? All this are requests that basically is passing the buck and having companies do the police work in my view.
If all this is following strict legal procedures and regulation and not general rules don’t see how can these companies refuse if such data is accessible.
If not, well someone is not doing their job and pushing the buck to these companies.
This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. But the ability of law enforcement to pursue criminal investigations. I think we all want law enforcement to work. There should be a balance.
I personally don’t know what is happening. One thing I know, is all this push back between law enforcement and big tech companies is weird and embarrassing.
PS: Even for highly secured private conversations, strong keys or whatever. The policies should first ask the participant to reveal those … (akin to, please sir open the door, we have a warrant). If refusing, then arrest or fine the individual. If nothing than works, than have the legal (a stronger warrant?) and technical means break the door, companies should required to provide assistance in those cases.
This not a totalitarian procedure. A totalitarian one is for the government to require all the keys, even have the data hosted in systems with their supervision. Like o believe it happens in China.
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The CEO doesn't know who is and isn't doing this stuff. Impossible to hold them accountable for what people do with their phones. This is just a ploy to grab peoples personal communications. There are plenty of ways to successfully go after predators that doesn't involve inserting back doors into phones and apps. Should gun manufacturers be held accountable for what people doing with their guns? Should car manufacturers be held accountable for people driving over 100 mph? You could always blame the creator for misusing your work for purposes you didn't intend.
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When the company facilitates illegal activities.
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
Phones facilitate illegal activities. Guess Tim Cook is also facilitating crime here because he makes phones and browsers...
Tim Cook can cooperate police to do the investigation. If not, Tim Cook can serve his time in jail cell
Quite the hot potato. What are the odds anyone else here will reply about it? tfw lunatic conspiracy theorists keep being proven right because we can’t just have a dialogue anymore and come to some consensus because it might roil the establishment. It’s an awful time to be alive living through all this
Apparently, at least in France, the French do.
As one other poster put it, "French Citizen arrested in France for violating French law". But that isn't as controversial an article title.
Shadowy regulators? Give me a break. What sort of French government conspiracy are you implying exists?
Not when the company name is Apple. There is that famous case where the FBI wanted Apple to unlock a terrorist's iphone as part of their criminal investigation and Apple said NO. The FBI even got a court order from a Judge and Apple still said NO. Apple's excuse? iphones are made with such impregnable security that not even the company that makes them can get past their own security. Many call BS to that but hey, it's Apple, everything Apple say's is gospel according to their fans and supporters.
That scenario could actually happen. If the EU were to detect that criminal activity is taking place upon Apple's messaging system, Apple is duty bound to prevent such illegal activity from occurring within the EU. Tim Cook can no longer hide behind 'sorry, we cannot do that' because if EU laws are being broken and Tim Cook as CEO does not take affirmative action then he could find himself being arrested.
Tech CEO's need to be fearful of their lax attitude towards moderation of their platforms because they can no longer hide behind excuses of 'this cannot be done' or 'we are unable to do this' because the EU has slowly over the years been updating it's laws to accommodate the online world.
This means if ANY EU law is broken in ANY of the EU's 27 member states (countries), the individual state (country) can issue an arrest warrant, which is exactly what France did with Durov.
No longer is it a case of EU playing by tech companies rules, tech companies now have to play by the EU rules. Durov is finding out the hard way. Question is which tech CEO will ne next.
Did he construct the corporate structure to enable and invite criminal activity?
-No, his product already had a legitimate and legal raison d'etre.
Did he construct new structures AFTER being served the request, IN ORDER to hide?
-No, so thats not active evasion.
they ended up sending it to an Israeli company who specialises in that kind of thing and unlocked it for them (the FBI that is - or Fibbys)
IANAL. It seems though, that Durov has been very outspoken about what he thinks about cooperation with law enforcement.
The world's richest company (apple) is having a very hard time getting it's own way with the EU. I Therefore doubt very much that 'small fry' Durov is going to succeed.
Apple does comply with subpoenas. It's also part of the reason Apple has continued to increase E2EE across their services. Apple can then state as a fact that they cannot comply, or they can hand over the encrypted data.
Anything that is public/not encrypted, Apple (and other cloud providers) will turnover when served subpoena.
Sure, but only if you ignore that iMessage is E2E encrypted. Which the EU hasn't outlawed yet.
Cook has no control over the moderation of the Telegraph app. The CEO of the company that owns the app does.