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People somehow fail to ask questions.

Just think: how can something big that has servers all over the world do all the R&D and stuff for free. Are we living in communism or what? Real Mark Zuckerberg had been doing business out of communications for ages, he never gave a cent for free. Because it is well… business! It cannot function without money.

You cannot get a free coffee at your shop, neither Apple does not give iPhones for free. If something is free – you are the product. And when I use Meta products I at least know WHAT exactly is the price (i.e. my data that is sold to advertisers) because it us explicitly written in the EULA. Also I know that Meta abides by the law of the United States of America. By which laws does Telegram work, Emirates? The same country where women are considered “men property”? As well as Russian ties have not been completely cut, I seen a story where it was said that their development office is still in St. Petersburg.

Another problem is while Telegram is marketed as something “safe”, it isn’t. All the messages are first uploaded to servers and then shared among the connected devices, it is all server-based (except for the secret chats)

Mark Zuckerberg is straight up responsible (through negligence) in facilitating ethnic cleansing of the Rohingya people in Myanmar. If the Russian Mark Zuckerberg is considered someone that should be arrested, then Mark Zuckerberg should not be allowed to walk free and continue to do immoral billionaire acts

These are the things that needs to be considered whenever we see someone "not on the West's team" get arrested.
 
I'm a bit torn...

One one hand I have always been diffident, when it came to Telegram...
On the other I can easily see this as an ulterior incentive to outlaw cryptography, which would be an immensely slippery slope.

The EU already tries, periodically, to ban cryptography.
They haven't succeded...yet...
 
Scary stuff indeed. Only a few people left fighting for free speech. Durov is a smart guy. I recommend watching Tucker Carlson's interview with him.
You mean the fight for freedom of speech on PRIVATELY OWNED platforms where there is no such thing? You don't like the terms of the site you're using for FREE, go make your own so you can say whatever you want.
 
How is this different from the way Signal operates? And…I am surprised to see people here happy that the Government will have complete control over privacy
 
A Gun Manufacturer decides to sell guns with free ammo for $1 to 6 year old boys.

Discuss?!

All countries have laws regulating the written word. All countries.

You’re free to write anything you like, there are no laws to prevent you. You are not and never should be free of the consequences of your words.

Incite murder, go to prison etc etc

This chap removes consequences of those using the written word.
Alert! Gun Manufacturer detected

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Why should a website from Dubai abide by EU rules? Just because it is accessible from the EU? Then it would have to abide by the laws of ALL countries. Turkey, China, Saudi Arabia and so on. How could that work technically?
 
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This is absurd, it's like arresting the CEO of a car company because bad people used the car to do illegal things such as terrorism, drug trafficking, money laundering, fraud, and child exploitation. I guess this has more to do with the ever increasing attacks on freedom of expression in the west and how Telegram refuses to give governments backdoors to their user data more than anything else.
8 disagree (the tyranny loving crowd) and 40 likes (the freedom loving crowd). There is hope! I am feeling it!
 
You mean if you're committing a crime and messaging about it?
Right? lol. I have many friends/family that have moved to Signal, Telegram or WhatsApp only just to continue spamming me with memes and social media links. Nothing sensitive is ever shared.

Wish this much effort went into protecting landline and cellular voice calls or the ability to opt out of recording. If you've ever worked in a call center you probably know lower management and even leads have access to recordings at anytime which poses a high risk considering the amount of outsourcing these companies do. With increased WFH some have access at all times if the company doesn't have proper auditing in place.
 
What complete ignorance.... It genuinely is sad to read how much folks want the government to dictate their lives. We have laws about prostitution and drug dealing on the streets, and yet it happens. Weird. So are you going to arrest the police officers or city/state leaders for not preventing this crime? I mean...'they have a responsibility'. Should law enforcement be setting up cameras inside our homes to monitor and make sure nothing illegal is happening? Where would YOU like to draw the line?

I think everyone can agree that terrorism is bad. That doesn't mean folks (at least in the USA) should have to give up their freedoms. It's not only about what you gain, it's also about what you are giving up. I don't think a company's CEO gets to make the call about what I can say.

Freedom is such board term and everyone has different interpretation on it.

Everyone can claim Freedom being infringed on, but that is entirely dependent on your definition on freedom. Is you freedom means you can do absolutely anything without implications or penalties? Does your freedom means you can go on say things that illegal? Is your freedom means that you can go public and promoting and selling drugs? Or is your freedom means you can go public saying anything that devalues women or immigrants?

I don't believe absoute freedom. There will always be limitations on freedom
 
Why are governments so scared of free speech?
The first duty of government is to protect their citizens. Governments are guided by law in this task and laws are different in jurisdictions worldwide. Labelling governments 'scared' is, well, I'd like to say 'is dumb' here but advocates of free speech are some of the first to go wingeing to moderators when they get push back after hurling abuse and throwing bricks at governments, so given the sensitivities of brick throwers and the abusive on here, I will settle for - misses the point.
 
Moderation is the new word for censoring.
Nope. I just checked a variety of dictionaries and not even urban dictionaries get confused over the two entirely different words and their meanings. Governments and government lawyers would certainly not be confused. No need to thank me. Just happy to help.
 
Pretty sure France (and much of Europe) have bigger problems than a CEO of a software application that’s done nothing wrong at all. Blame the people who abuse the platform, not simply the CEO. Seems like picking low hanging fruit because Europe refuses to get their crime, and other issues, under control. Let’s not forget Klaus Schwab and the WEF are passing down orders to Macron, Trudeau, etc for all of these things.
 
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The arrest occurred shortly after Durov arrived on a private jet from Azerbaijan and is said to be part of a joint investigation by several agencies investigating alleged failures in content moderation on the Telegram platform that may have facilitated criminal activity.
Why are governments so scared of free speech?
Moderation is the new word for censoring.
If Durov was arrested for failing to moderate open discussions of criminal activity and the discussions and organizing on Telegram lead to another 9/11, would you still feel the same way?

You don't believe there's a moral obligation to do something? Are the lives of thousands of people less important than the free speech of criminals?
 
If the French government were more clever, then I would suspect this was a tactic to gain access to Russian comms. But given the abysmal state of their military and general inaction while a major war ravages Europe, it is probably just about moderation and all opportunities will be missed.
 
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It's always fine unless you're the person having your speech limited.

Once again, who determines what is acceptable speech and what is not?

Is book burning next?
 
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Why should a website from Dubai abide by EU rules? Just because it is accessible from the EU? Then it would have to abide by the laws of ALL countries. Turkey, China, Saudi Arabia and so on. How could that work technically?
Numerous online businesses and websites adapt their product and services to comply with regional and country specific laws. Apple complies with regional law requirements in order to continue doing business. Technically a country like China will simply block the service but in other countries were blocking is deemed unlawful or inappropriate then sanctions, international arrest warrants and heavy fines will often bring the miscreant law breaker to heal if and when they are found guilty after due process. Some western countries still have robust systems of law while others are less so and are in danger of being made to look impotent. Clearly France and the EU are not in this league.
 
If Durov was arrested for failing to moderate open discussions of criminal activity and the discussions and organizing on Telegram lead to another 9/11, would you still feel the same way?

You don't believe there's a moral obligation to do something? Are the lives of thousands of people less important than the free speech of criminals?
Interesting point. Remind me, who in the us government and special forces got arrested for allowing (unintentionally, but still) 9/11 to happen? Oh, that's right — no one!
 
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