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Ten years Apple user. Now it is time to say goodbye (at least for now)
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True, but that's not what had been claimed which I was disagreeing with.
What was being claimed was that Apple was still selling prior generation versions, new in the box (not refurbished) and furthermore with Build-To-Order (BYO) still also available too.
We both know that this claim is wrong ... and I used the cMP as an example of a "okay, so now go show us" as a prior generation example to illustrate that they're wrong.
-hh
The original post is too long to read. Plus, it is full of sentiments and emotions making it difficult to figure out the reason for writing many unnecessary things. However, coming to the point, if you want to switch Apple to some other OS, this is no newer to me. Many people (including the diehard Apple fans) have already shifted or now shifting from Apple to other OS. So, go ahead dude! but if you don't feel like staying a non-Apple user, we will welcome you again with another big post lol. 
Your responses to this gent's farewell speech have been unusually long. As far as crying about the demise of a public figure, happens all the time. My mom cried when Kennedy died, and I see people crying at the movies all the time over "fictional" characters. Very normal, nonsensical from a rational point of view, but not unusual.
Let this man make his peace with Apple and find some solace knowing others feel the same.
Then buy a windows desktop computer or something. Don't use the cloud. Plug all your things in, and don't complain as wireless technology improves to the point that your files can be transferred in a matter of seconds instead of minutes.
You're too busy missing the forest for the trees.
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Thankfully. I hope SurfaceRumors.com is a great website.
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I like how the very first comment is telling you to go back to Mac. Hilarious.
Replacing each one of our Mac Pro's with a Windows PC will save roughly $2,000 per seat vs its comparable Mac. I do like OS X better than Windows, but it isn't $2K per machine better.
Similarly, I'm not complaining about wireless - I'm simply pointing out that it isn't up to being "better" yet in this hardware generation, nor the nearterm desktop derivatives.
So until it actually becomes better...or at least good enough...I'll continue to plug in. It works.
Sorry, but there is no "Forest". All you have are six beans and a belief that they will magically grow into a giant beanstalk overnight.
As an APPL stockholder, I'm not at all optimistic.
-hh
I don't understand people who act as if "leaving Apple" and "returning to Microsoft" means purging their lives of products of one and filling it with the products of another.
That... just doesn't make sense to me.
That... just doesn't make sense to me.
Apple is an ecosystem.
I don't have an iPhone/Apple TV et. al. because I don't have any Mac's. If I have to create a working system I might as well just not have, and pay the costs of, the Apple stuff. The worst part of modern tech is the fact that they're all headed in that direction, I can live in Apple land, Google Land, or MS Land and that feels very wrong.
Could be anything really. Sometimes I wonder weather people saying they'll leave Apple are the ones who REALLY do it at all. Probably mixed results...
I always base it on, 'if u've been in Apple world for years it won't just as easy to switch just like that.'.
Kind of like addition.... Easy to switch early on, but not always when u've been there a long time.
I agree with you. I'm in the same position, but I've been in the Apple ecosystem since 2002. The thing is the small pointless things they make are great. It really is just the power user side of it. It's irritating that they'd cater to us for years then drop the apps we rely on. Ho hum.I said it would be my last thread. I was curious if others are like me in a similar position. I don't see where the drama is
My decision is I won't be buying another Mac computer again. The 2014 MBP was my last computer purchase, it's a great machine and I hope it doesn't die in the next few years. But I'm sticking with the iPad and Apple Watch. The iPad Pro with pencil is incredible tech, nothing else like it on the market. And though Watch doesn't do much, I've been a smart Watch user since the kickstarter Pebble and I swear by them now. I just hope they gain more independence from the iPhone so I can switch to an android phone.
[doublepost=1483486288][/doublepost]Number one, no one cares. Number two, you cry about innovation and leave out the fact that Apple computers are a viable and useful tool to millions of people every single day. Currently I'm running three business with apple gear and make millions doing so. You remind me of the cry babies in the early 80's that swore up and down that Apple was just a toy and would soon be out of business. In fact, most people have been saying Apple would be out of business since the day they opened their doors. Lastly Apple has brought in more computer users than any computer manufacturer on the planet. Apple allowed the very young and the very old to use the computer because of it's ease of use. Now for the funny part, every single bit of technology and "innovation" that every phone maker, ever computer maker, and Microsoft were all copied from APPLE. So yes, thank you for the laugh, knowing everyone on the planet copied Apple and you have the gall to say Apple is not "innovative" [drop the mic]I am not sure this is the right forum to post this, so Mods, if there is a better place for this, just feel free to move it.
The title of the article says it all, but I would like to post why I am leaving the Apple ecosystem. Please note that this is not a rant and it is not supposed to be provocative in any way. It just describes my personal situation and views regarding technology. It might reflect on others too, but it might also not. Everybody is different and has different views and opinions, which are of course respected.
Please excuse the length of this post, but since this is going to be my (for the time being at least) last thread I create on this forum, please bare with me. Thank you.
First, some things about my background. My first computer was an Amstrad 6128, but I quickly moved to the Amiga platform. I was in love with the Amiga, and its capabilities. After the death of the Amiga it was a sad time for me in technology, but I ended up going to Microsoft.
I also started working as an IT Professional, specializing in Security, Identity Management, Collaboration and Messaging, with a deep focus in Microsoft products and technologies. In those years I didn't have any connection to Apple and the Apple ecosystem. I was also working for Microsoft as a Technology Specialist..
Around 2006 I was worried about the direction that Microsoft was taking under Steve Ballmer. Windows Vista was a major misstep and it made me look for the first time to Apple.
I was impressed by Steve Jobs and its convincing, charismatic personality. I was impressed and convinced by his vision of computing. Designing high quality products that just work, that are easily accesible by everyone, but also satisfy the demands of power users and professionals.
I bought into the Apple ecosystem. I bought Macbooks, iMacs, Macbook Airs, Mac Pros. I think that the only thing I didn't buy was a Mac Mini.
in 2007 the iPhone came and I was ecstatic. I was very deep into the ecosystem, buying everything I could.
On a professional level I had to work with Microsoft products, but privately I was full Apple.
When Steve died, I cried like a baby. I felt that a part of me was gone. He was a great personality and he is still greatly missed. Despite Steve's death I continued using Apple products. I believed that Tim Cook was doing everything right. I knew that Tim will never replace Steve completely. Noone can!
The last years a feeling started growing in me, that Apple is complacent.
I also saw a clear direction towards consumer products only and I did not like that. Aperture was discontinued (which I really loved), and the worst for me was that OS X (or macOS) got worse over time. I had the feeling that Apple is not focusing on its roots. Apple was focusing on areas where the most money are, something that I understand but do not like.
On the other side, iOS became stale, or to put it differently, it didn't develop like I would like. I felt that Android (not all incarnations of Android though), were better suited for me. iOS became boring (for me). Especially I was disappointed to see other OEMs making better hardware than Apple. HTC and even Samsung (which I really do not like) caught up. Apple was not alone.
Microsoft changed too. Windows 7 was a very good OS, followed by the disaster of Windows 8. Windows 10 is a great OS and I am sure that the next versions will be even better. Why I am so sure? Because Microsoft has changed its leadership, and it shows in its products. The Surface, the Surface Book and the Surface Studio are great products at least on par with Apple's offerings. Add to that my affinity to Microsoft in the enterprise field, and the feeling that I should return to Microsoft grew even more stronger.
Going back to Apple, I see a lot of missteps that make me think that the direction Apple is taking is not what I want from technology.
Apple is not innovating as fast as other companies do. Google is (for me) better in cloud services. Microsoft has a more versatile OS and ecosystem. Both Google and Microsoft are creating premium products and are of course asking a premium price for them (which I do not mind - I am used from Apple...)
What are the major missteps that made me decide to leave Apple?
- Apple is increasingly ignoring power users. Look at Aperture, look at how Final Cut Pro developed. macOS has become almost like iOS..The Mac Pro hasn't been updated for three years!
- Apple is showing little innovation. I am sorry Apple Watch users. I understand you might like the Apple Watch, but for me this is not innovation.. It is a products that answers problems that do not exist. Apart from that I do not see what Apple is doing that is so innovative. I doubt that Apple has the right people to continue innovating. I lost faith.
- The last Macbook Pro refresh. I believe that the Touch Bar is nice, but it would be better to have laptops with touch screens. The argument that it is not productive to work with touch screens on a Mac because of the verticality of the display, is for me not valid. There are many examples that show that it can work very well. My wife every time she uses my Macbook Pro, tries to scroll by touching the screen
- The latest Macbook Pro (take 2): Why no SD card? Why the need for so many dongles? I understand forward thinking and I am all for it, but why on earth not at least include some of the most important dongles in the Macbook Pro package?
- The last iPhones: Design wise no changes (still a great phone), but without a headphone jack (yes, I know it had to go and eventually it will go). I believe it should be replaced by a better technology. Apple didn't present a better technology (yet). If they did that, then I would be all for it. In the meantime I enjoy high res sound on my HTC 10. If Apple was serious about it, they would get rid of the headphone jack from all new products.
- macOS Sierra: I see zero differences to the previous version. Zero.
- macOS Apps: For years I have experience how bad the underpinnings of some apps are (especially Mail, iCal and contacts). Apple has changed nothing in the last ten years in the way these apps work (in the background, not end user features). I see no improvements whatsoever.
Now, add my affinity to Microsoft on top of that and the direction Microsoft has taken in the last 2-3 years, and you might understand why I feel like that.
Today I placed an order for a Surface Book i7 512GB SSD and 16GB RAM. An expensive laptop, maybe more expensive than a Macbook Pro.
It is not about the price.
I just have the strong feeling that it is time to go back to my roots, to Microsoft. Microsoft has corrected its big missteps and has brought great products on the market.
I wish Apple a lot of success. I wish they prove me wrong. I hope they change their direction and correct their missteps too. When they do that, then I might come back. In the meantime I will give Microsoft another chance. They deserve it.
On the services front I am using Google and I am impressed by them.
I have been a member of this site for many years, and I have spent many hours here in the forums. I am a bit sad that I am leaving the Apple ecosystem. Who knows, maybe sometime in the future I will be back.
Please do not start insulting posts. I would like to have a good discussion about the points I mentioned. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Please do that respectfully. Thank you.
Apple has also stolen ideas from other companies. They didn't invent the touch ID, they weren't the first touch screen or even the first to have apps (Although it was far more difficult than just going into an app store). I think Apple was able to make it user friendly. This is also why I think they might not be the most innovative now. Some technology as it progresses, it will be too much for some.
I also know I'll never own an Apple computer because I find more customization, versatility, and affordability in Windows laptops. However, I like my iPhone and iPad. I still have my Note 3 though and wouldn't mind going back to Android when a phone comes out I desire (I really wanted the Note 7).
I think everyone is going to have their own ideas of what is innovative and what is not. This is an opinion. Arguing it won't make it any less valid to those who agree with it.
Just like most they've certainly taken ideas and sometimes more than that from here or there. That said, out of curiosity, who else had TouchID before them (we are talking something that is well beyond rudimentary and often enough unreliable fingerprint lock/unlock), or capacitive multitouch screens in a typical consumer product prior to Apple?
So, I have officially been with Apple for 10 years. My first ever Apple product was an iPod Mini. After, I ended up getting an iBook G4, which turned into a Powerbook G4. Once the Intel Macs came out, I ended up getting the white MacBook. It was amazing and to be honest, still is. Anyway, I ended up getting a 15-inch MacBook Pro (Mid-2012) in 2013 and it worked all the way until recently. I ended up trading it in and getting the new 13-inch MacBook Pro with out the touch bar.
I will say, I have definitely see Apple do better then they have. I love MacOS and I really hate using Windows. I will say that I feel like the price of Macs have not really changed from my point of view...the most I ever spent on a Mac was my 2012 MacBook Pro. I personally think that after all that I have seen, Apple has gotten more and more greedy. It is terrible to be honest, but I know it will change. It won't be long.
I will say, I have definitely see Apple do better then they have. I love MacOS and I really hate using Windows. I will say that I feel like the price of Macs have not really changed from my point of view...the most I ever spent on a Mac was my 2012 MacBook Pro. I personally think that after all that I have seen, Apple has gotten more and more greedy. It is terrible to be honest, but I know it will change. It won't be long.
Same.
I don't understand fanboyism or sticking to one brand and ecosystem. Can't people just overlap with different products and services? In the mobile industry with frequent upgrading, there is a higher turnover rate than desktops. But why not just use them all when you can? It is like employment. People might be part of the same industry, but most will have multiple employers throughout their life.
Most people will likely change car brands and NOT stick to one their entire lifetime. I say people limit their knowledge and versatility. With the world of information, you need be good all-around and be familiar at many different things including OSes. Not just be good at one because that's where you feel comfortable. It is branching out from your comfort zone is when you can really start to expand your knowledge.
I love seeing posters say they use Windows but iOS for mobile or people who uses multiple platforms. I see Apple lovers owning Xbox Ones. A Microsoft product! Apple's most bitter rival in the 80's and 90's. Fanboyism is only tooting your horn with selfish pride and blind love for a specific brand. I tried leaving Apple before. I tried leaving Microsoft. I have never truly loved Samsung. I can never escape Google because I am too dependent with their services. I always find myself using one of their products like a notebook, TV, smartphone, console, memory card, etc. You can never truly leave them.
fanboys = poseurs
They don't need to announce their blind loyalty to us with their hellos or goodbyes. Just enjoy what you use and shut up about it.
They can if they want, many choose not too for their own reasons.
Yet, many people see the advangtages of OS X and iOS. There are definitely benefits to usingn both and having blind love as you put it. For instance, I can easily use iMessage to send texts to my kids on my iMac instead of reaching for my phone, or taking a call on my iMac.
Apple is enhancing the user experience of those people who choose OS X and iOS. While I do use multiple platforms, I do see the benefits and don't knock anyone who wants to stick with an all apple ecosystem.
They win on multi-touch. I know Apple had that first. I was saying it on a more general term. As for the finger print sensor, my Atrix had it. It may be called rudimentary but the technology did work for me. So the idea, even if it's improved, still belonged to someone else first. I think the way it was worded made it sound like Apple has never taken an idea of another then implemented it in their own way. I think all tech companies need to improve on the innovation of other companies. The idea starts the trend but whoever has the best iteration will come out on top.
Valid point made right there. Apple has definitely switched their focus towards services more than pure hardware business now. There's not a single other solution out there that works in such a harmonious way as all the Apple products do together.
If a user only uses one Apple product then it's hard to see this side of intertwined services. But once someone vests themselves into multiple Apple products he / she will realise what it's like to be living in that ecosystem.
A fair enough point ... but it also starts to fall apart when one has been on the Ecosystem for years (or decades) at multiple levels ... but then finds that one's personally significant workflows have been disrupted by Apple without an equally capable alternative solution, one is forced to confront this shortcoming.
Overall, there's no doubt that Apple's OS X / iOS -based ecosystems do have value and are worth paying more for ... but the Devil is in the Details of just how much more are they worth.
Between ecosystem cuts and the price hikes, Apple's products value paradigm has been degraded.
It is then merely a YMMV for when an individual finally decides that the degrade in overall Value is significant enough for them to jump ship.
Unfortunately, the facts of the matter are that 2016 had a lot of non-delighted customers who are expressing their dissatisfaction, and this may very well be the tip of an iceberg (which may be quite disruptive to Apple).
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I agree with the value proposition you brought forward. That's the reason I haven't bought a single Apple product in the last 2 years, but having said that, I can't switch to any other manufacturer at present given I have to keep a leg in Apple ecosystem anyway. Personally I've tried to switch from the iPhone as a device multiple times but the only available option Android could never satisfy me enough. Partly it's due to implementation of various things within specific handsets and the blatant disregard of privacy on the platform.
Makes perfect sense.
Apple is repositioning itself as a fashion/lifestyle brand.
Meanwhile, others are taking over the niche left by Apple.
The closest to a Powerbook Duo with 2017 specs you can buy today is... well, not the tbMBP, but a Thinkpad.
Meanwhile, the tbMBP is following in the footsteps of the original Sony Vaio.
It's only natural that if you opted for a Powerbook instead of a Vaio in 2000, you won't be buying a tbMBP in 2017.
You might enjoy this: https://medium.com/@DraketheFox/apple-is-no-longer-a-consumer-brand-it-s-a-fashion-icon-317b4f0b06f2
The fact that Mac is unix based and I can use vim, docker, and the other command line tools the same as what are on my remote servers makes the Mac hard to replace. The hardware is also unrivalled in my opinion.
They just need to refresh their desktop lines more often to solve this issue, I don't need a flashy new feature for a device that's going to sit on my desk, just a recent rev.
And don't bring up the ubuntu bash subsystem on Windows, I've tried it and it just feels too disconnected from the actual system, plus the terminal itself sucks.
They just need to refresh their desktop lines more often to solve this issue, I don't need a flashy new feature for a device that's going to sit on my desk, just a recent rev.
And don't bring up the ubuntu bash subsystem on Windows, I've tried it and it just feels too disconnected from the actual system, plus the terminal itself sucks.
Ahem, what about Ubuntu or Debian itself (or FreeBSD if you want the authentic Mac Terminal experience)?
But if you have to use Windows, I find Cygwin works better than WSL so far.
I have big hopes for WSL, though.
Right now it's garbage (doesn't even run Emacs correctly), but I trust Microsoft has the money to spend on improving it.